Cavaliers agree to 5-year, $82M contract with RFA Tristan Thompson

Dupp · Post #181 » by **Dupp** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:25 am

JVL wrote:What was Tristan going to do? Play overseas? The Cavaliers outbid themselves.

They won't regret it as Gilbert seems to be willing to throw money at a shot at the title, but it's a huge overpay for a massively overrated player in an era of ridiculously weak rebounding big men.

Have you got anything to back this up?

DaddyCool19 · Post #182 » by **DaddyCool19** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:33 am

So what will Mozgov demand next year. If I was him I would atleast ask for a 4 year contract with 15-16M per year.

JDRochholz · Post #183 » by **JDRochholz** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:14 am

Most over-paid player in the NBA by far.....wtf CLE

Mk0 · Post #184 » by **Mk0** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:24 am

The teams under the tax are disappointed he didn't get the max.

Mk0 · Post #185 » by **Mk0** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:25 am

DaddyCool19 wrote:So what will Mozgov demand next year. If I was him I would atleast ask for a 4 year contract with 15-16M per year.

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Laughing all the way to the bank. Dude is gonna get paiiiiiiid

basketbrawler · Post #186 » by **basketbrawler** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:51 am

Officially the worst contract in the NBA by far

Terrible move by the Cavs

Mirjalovic · Post #187 » by **Mirjalovic** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:05 pm

i think Cavs do this as PR move for NBA players.

NBA players probably afraid to join with the Cavs if they "mistreated" TT.

EscapoTHB · Post #188 » by **EscapoTHB** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:12 pm

With the new cap this is a pretty good deal for the Cavs I think. Rich Paul took the L on this. He caused all of that trouble for his client, for what? An extra 2 mill? I'm surprised how willing the Cavs were to play hardball this summer.

EscapoTHB · Post #189 » by **EscapoTHB** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:17 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:Reminds me when the Heat gave a stupid 100 million dollar contract to a player just like Thompson, in Brian Grant. He isn't the first nor last player to get an absurd contract.

The problem with the Brian Grant deal wasn't that the Heat overpaid, it was that he had a neurological disorder which ended up curbing his career. He was the heart and soul of some very good Portland teams.

To me when I think of absurd contracts I think of the Sonics signing Jim McIlvaine for more money then they were willing to pay Shawn Kemp. Not only was it a bad contract, but it torpedoed the locker room.

Also that deal where Dallas overpaid for Dampier, and let Nash go to do it.

Or every Jerome James contract.

NBA GMs are really dumb.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #190 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:22 pm

Overpay or not this does not hurt the cavs one bit. All their main guys are now locked up and they are easily making it to the finals the for the next 5 or 6 years in a row.

Post #191 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:31 pm

Is there a worse contract in the NBA? I'd only cave if Lebron was really adamant about it, but hell that's an awful deal.

Again, would rather have Henson on his deal than Thompson on his.

Nightperzon · Post #192 » by **Nightperzon** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:42 pm

-TheDocOfDenial wrote:Bye Bye Mozgov

More like bye bye Varejao after the season.

NBAfan3024 · Post #193 » by **NBAfan3024** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:45 pm

Moz knows now he will get more than that.

Heat_team02 · Post #194 » by **Heat_team02** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:48 pm

...Meanwhile Gerald Green signed with the Heat for $1,356,146 not $7.

The Penguin · Post #195 » by **The Penguin** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:48 pm

The Cavs didn't cave $2 mil, they caved $32 mil. Their offer to him last summer was 5 years / $50 mil. I'll readily admit he was a major factor in the Chicago series, without his contributions the Cavs may have been done that round. Outside of that, I'm not sure what happened to change their assessment of his value by $32 mil, this isn't Jimmy Butler or Draymond Green showing major growth as players and earning massive increases on initial offers. Green and Butler would have gotten offers from several different teams this summer had they gone that route instead of signing quick deals to stay with their teams. Thompson drew no interest from anyone else and sacrificed major leverage as soon as the QO period passed. The Cavs were in a major position of power and could have called his bluff on sitting out a full season or brought him back on a 1 year deal and maintained their leverage of him as a RFA next summer.

It's pretty simple to see Lebron's influence at play here. I can't believe his relationship as a defacto agent to Thompson is legal under the CBA. What's to stop a team like the Lakers telling Durant "set up a shell agency, hire your best friend to be an "agent", convince our guys to switch agents, we'll pay them 20-40% over market and funnel the money to you"?

The other CBA factor is Gilbert. He was a major leader for the owners in their last negotiations and helped keep player salaries down while implementing stiffer tax penalties. If he will blindly blow through those penalties, what's to stop Lebron sitting across the table asking for max contracts to reach the $40-$50 mil a year area? The players can lock out in 2017, if one of the biggest voices of the owners chopped his own legs out in blind pursuit of a title, it's got a great chance to dramatically alter the landscape even beyond what the new TV deal will do.

Post #196 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:34 pm

JDizzel3000 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
DunkedOn wrote:If I was a young player, I would seriously considering firing my agent and hiring Rich Paul.

Yeah if that team didn't have LBJ on it, Paul would get laughed out of the room. That's the problem with this. Even with all the leverage Paul had, he held his client out through all of training camp, alienated his client's relationship with the fans, put his biggest client is a very difficult position, and got him $2 million more over a 5 year period.

Lol my lord ....do you think he ..his agent or any other half witted NBA player gives a damn about "alienating the fans" relative to getting paid?

Go ask Eric Bledsoe (who doesn't play on the cavs btw) if he's happy with Rich Paul representing him ....

What "difficult situation" was lebron in?

It's just mind boggling reading some of these hyperbolic sensationalized post

I don't get what's difficult to understand. TT was offered $80 million on the first day of FA. He received that offer not because Rich Paul is some super agent but because Rich Paul represents LBJ, LBJ isn't signed for multiple years, and the Cavs wanted to keep LBJ happy. If TT played for another team, that didn't have LBJ, and tried to play hardball, he'd either not play this season or sign for 50-60% of his current contract.

So let's start with that huge, and totally unique, advantage that Paul has. That alone got his client an $80 million offer. So with all the B.S. that followed, for long as it dragged on (whether you think the damage is lasting or not), TT got $2 million extra over five friggin years. The general consensus is that TT received that money solely so that Paul could save face and not be embarrassed. You think Paul looks good. Most people think that TT caved and the Cavs were magnanimous.

Dark Faze · Post #197 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:36 pm

mozgov will get the max--the team literally took a leap the second he was acquired--they'd be back to relying completely on an injury prone varejao again if they let him walk

LivingLegend · Post #198 » by **LivingLegend** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:39 pm

I guess this is why he turned down my $10 per game contract with 3 free trips to Jimmy Johns when I tried to recruit him for my church basketball league.

Magic24 · Post #199 » by **Magic24** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:42 pm

taikibansei wrote:I don't get how so many people here can see this is as some great victory for either Rich Paul or Tristan Thompson. Cleveland opened the bargaining at 5-years, 80-million. I.e., for whatever reason, that's how Cleveland originally pegged his worth.

TT and Paul then rejected that offer, publicly and loudly. Moreover, for the last three months, TT and Paul have been demanding the max and making all these threats about TT leaving if they didn't get there way. Paul has also been implying that other, max offers existed.

Well, TT didn't get the max...and yet TT is still in Cleveland. Moreover, three months of posturing and threats...for a $400,000/year raise?

That's not a victory.

It is a victory. What were they offering him last summer? What was he willing to take last summer? At the end of the day, that is what they were going against. People here were calling TT stupid for not taking that deal last year.

Rich Paul knew what kind of contract he might have gotten next year. I doubt it would have made up for the loss of this year's money.

3 months of posturing and threats... for 2 million. Please, if my agent told me I could get an extra 2 million if I wait, I'm waiting. He doesn't miss any games, and he doesn't hurt his value. What did lose?

Magic24 · Post #200 » by **Magic24** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:44 pm

EscapoTHB wrote:With the new cap this is a pretty good deal for the Cavs I think. Rich Paul took the L on this. He caused all of that trouble for his client, for what? An extra 2 mill? I'm surprised how willing the Cavs were to play hardball this summer.

What trouble? Missing preseason games?