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EwingSweatsALot · Post #801 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:05 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:I will gladly take Mario Hezonja with the 10th pick.

That's a damn steal.

Liver_Pooty · Post #802 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:06 pm

EwingSweatsALot wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:I will gladly take Mario Hezonja with the 10th pick.

That's a damn steal.

I had to literally look twice to make sure no one took him. Liking my young squad.

Edit: Almost took him at 5. Never dreamed he would be there at 10. Too bad this didn't happen in real life.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #803 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:06 pm

1. Agent of Diop- Karl Anthony Towns
2. Liver Pooty- Jahlil Okafor
3. Karl Malone's Latina Safari-DeAngelo Russell
4. RGM Blackout- Emmanuel Mudiay
5. Liver Pooty- Kristaps Porzingis
6. Squirtle Squad- Myles Turner
7. Yosemite- Stanley Johnson
8. Chabber's Straw Hats- Frank Kaminsky
9. Killa Kallie- Justise Winslow
10. Liver Pooty- Mario Hezonja

Post #804 » by **Diop** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:43 pm

I guess I will restrict Hill.

I don't think I have many expiring

amcoolio · Post #805 » by **amcoolio** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:00 am

Resticting Giannis Antetokounmpo

What about giving rookies 4 year deals with a ETO option at year 2.

I would be much more inclined to keep Myles Turner for 4 years at $2 per year and hope he pans out than keep him for 2 years and know I'm gonna lose him anyway.

For example, last year I really didn't want a rookie but I took Doug McDermott and I think he costed $2, yet he rode the bench all year behind several $1 players and now hes a UFA because I don't want him.

Thanks for all the hard work ESAL and putting up with the gripes! I still love this, even though I was screwed out of the championship last year

Liver_Pooty · Post #806 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:11 am

Rookie 4 year deals with an ETO after year 2 is an excellent idea.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #807 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:48 am

I'm good with the 4 and ETO after 2. I had originally had 3 years then restricted typed out instead of 2, but was concerned that somebody were concerned about not enough movement in the league. If people want to do 4 with an ETO after 2, I am perfectly fine with that.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #808 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:54 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:I want to restrict Victor Oladipo

I want to drop Deron Williams, Has 1 year left so shouldn't penalize me I don't think.

Is it possible to drop more than one player with a year left? If so Id like to drop Trey Burke as well. Time to get some of this garbage off my team.

Also would like to drop Mirza Teletovic

Go ahead and drop them from the ESPN site and then I will take them off the roster.

Liver_Pooty · Post #809 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:01 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:I want to restrict Victor Oladipo

I want to drop Deron Williams, Has 1 year left so shouldn't penalize me I don't think.

Is it possible to drop more than one player with a year left? If so Id like to drop Trey Burke as well. Time to get some of this garbage off my team.

Also would like to drop Mirza Teletovic

Go ahead and drop them from the ESPN site and then I will take them off the roster.

Dropped Williams, Smith, and Teletovic.

Decided to keep Burke.

Dang my roster is bad. Needs some serious retooling. The draft was a solid start.

Edit: Dropped Afflalo as well.

amcoolio · Post #810 » by **amcoolio** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:13 am

I am dropping everyone on my team except Chris Paul, Andre Drummond, Jonas Valanciunas, Tobias Harris, and Chandler Parsons. That includes Milsap's expiring without penalty (right?)

EwingSweatsALot · Post #811 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:25 am

amcoolio wrote:I am dropping everyone on my team except Chris Paul, Andre Drummond, Jonas Valanciunas, Tobias Harris, and Chandler Parsons. That includes Milsap's expiring without penalty (right?)

Correct. players with one year left, have zero penalty.

Liver_Pooty · Post #812 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:28 am

Considering trading Love for 2 solid players.

Post #813 » by **fatlever** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:52 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:Honestly, I think that the draft is as important as the RFA system overhaul.

Liver Pooty, per example, has gone the "rebuilding through draft" direction. He gets to pick three young players who should help him turn his ship around and be a contender when they pan out.

Given how many true superstars there are in each draft class and with many of them being freshmen nowadays, he'll be very fortunate to draft one guy who is a true impact player during the two years he gets to spend on Pooty's team on his rookie contract.

In 2017, he won't have any advantage over other teams to sign at least two of those players. The best case for him is that he'll be able to keep one through restricted free agency and if one of them does indeed pan out, it's likely that he'll meet some hefty bid for said impact player (obviously, this is an area where both rookie AND RFA rule problems intertwine)

So he basically gets to start the 2017-18 season with only one of those rookies (unless he signs any of the other two through unrestricted free agency). AND that rookie has a salary dictated by the open market.

I do think that this is too harsh. Especially since we have a rookie scale that pays those young guys higher than market value (I rather have Joe Johnson, Brandon Knight and Isaiah Thomas for $3 combined as I did last year than Wiggins for $3 himself). Which is like the exact opposite of real life NBA.

Either we give teams the possibility to give out up to four-year contracts to rookies or use my previous idea of unguaranteed contracts + being to able to hold rights, yet not sign a rookie until someone forces you to match or give up those rights by signing him as a FA. Or we can either do both.

Otherwise.. the teams that don't make the playoffs are put in a spot where they have to be very, very skilful when making use of their draft picks. You basically have to draft the right exact guy and chances are that you still are over-paying him for his first two years (as he is likely to have been a top3 pick) and will do so once he hits RFA before his third year.

Obviously, we want to make the league open for transactions and prohibit teams from being able to hoard superstars. But I think it's open enough already. One RFA per year is not much and we already saw that the market forced Chabber to pay a pretty huge sum for keeping LeBron.

Drafting a rookie and then being able to have some saying of keeping him around as a cornerstone would be sensible.

Agreed. We need to rethink the draft process. Its not an advantage as it stands today. Its a disadvantage in terms of salary vs contribution over life of contract.

Post #814 » by **fatlever** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:04 am

I am dropping Dirk and Augustin. I think you already have Dirk off the roster.

I am restricting Curry

EwingSweatsALot · Post #815 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:06 am

fatlever wrote:I am dropping Dirk and Augustin. I think you already have Dirk off the roster.

I am restricting Curry

I went ahead and did it. i also started a new thread for the RFA period, I hope that is alright.

We have discussed the rookie draft a little bit, to allow owners to keep their rookies for longer. Let us know your thoughts on what we have discussed.

Post #816 » by **fatlever** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:09 am

Can you confirm the salaries for the rookie scale? I think maybe a suggestion would be slightly lowering the salaries for the top picks as well as adding at least a team option for a 3rd year. That would be my suggestion. Teams finishing last need help and the current system doesn't help as much as it should.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #817 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:13 am

fatlever wrote:Can you confirm the salaries for the rookie scale? I think maybe a suggestion would be slightly lowering the salaries for the top picks as well as adding at least a team option for a 3rd year. That would be my suggestion. Teams finishing last need help and the current system doesn't help as much as it should.

It goes 5,3,3,2,2,2,1,1,1,1. If we lower it too much more, then they all start to run together. The thought we have discussed is 2 year guaranteed deal for rookies with team options after the 3rd and fourth year. After the fourth year the player is restricted on top of the one player you nominate. That way if you want, you can control that rookie for 4 years, and possibly more. If the rookie doesn't pan out then you discard them after two, if they become a star, you have a guy on cheap for 4 years, and then have first right of refusal to hold them for another 4 years within RFA.

Post #818 » by **fatlever** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:15 am

Oh, ok, that is fair. We never updated the rules doc from when we dropped the salary to 70. It still had the #1 pick as 12 bucks.

I think we are good if we just add the wrinkle you guys discussed, team option and RFA.

Post #819 » by **fatlever** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:16 am

2nd question. did you already factor in a $1 placeholder for open roster spots when you posted our available salary to spend in RFA? It looks that way, just wanted to confirm.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #820 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:29 am

fatlever wrote:2nd question. did you already factor in a $1 placeholder for open roster spots when you posted our available salary to spend in RFA? It looks that way, just wanted to confirm.

Yep. Each spot that is available was assigned $1.

I'm gonna try and sit down and go through the rules doc this weekend and update it. I should have time with my wife working all weekend.