What's the Best Celtics Starting Line-up, Opening Night (10-28-15) vs Philly?

ConstableGeneva · Post #21 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:12 pm

Olynyk shouldn't be among the choices. He's suspended for one game due to the altercation with KLove.

I actually like the starting five we trotted out in Europe esp. when that leaves you with a bench unit of IT + Amir + shooters. There's enough balance of offense and defense across all lineups as long as everyone's healthy. (There were some awful stretches in the Madrid game where we cuoldn't defend a chair with Young and Turner as wings and/or Olynyk as primary frontcourt defender). It would be nice if we cuold get another defensive big (hello there, Jordan Mickey) or if Zeller/Sully steps it up on D but right now, Brad just has to scheme around our weaknesses.

KumaJG · Post #22 » by **KumaJG** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:05 pm

Smart/Bradley/Turner

PF: Sully, Lee is better off the bench

C: Amir

Writebloc · Post #23 » by **Writebloc** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:47 pm

Seems pretty evident what the starting line is going to be:

Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Lee
Zeller

Only one that could wiggle would be Turner over Crowder. I think Stevens will retain Jae for his defensive presence. I doubt Brad will put all this ground work with the team now just to change things up come regular season.

AKFO · Post #24 » by **AKFO** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:28 pm

Writebloc wrote:Seems pretty evident what the starting line is going to be:

Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Lee
Zeller

Only one that could wiggle would be Turner over Crowder. I think Stevens will retain Jae for his defensive presence. I doubt Brad will put all this ground work with the team now just to change things up come regular season.

I'm thinking Crowder's only starting because of Turner's injury. Gotta save some perimeter defense for the second unit and Turner doesn't really fit well with IT.

klemen4 · Post #25 » by **klemen4** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:35 pm

First unit need playmaking and has enough defense with Smart/Bradley...2nd unit with Thomas does not need Turner and Crowder defense is needed more.

smart, bradley, turner, lee, zeller
it, ?, crowder, kelly, johnson

this looks the best combination imo.

Offense and playmaking in first unit starts with Turner +Lee and in 2nd unit wit IT+Kelly.

Zeller starts against real C, otherwise imo we can start Lee/Johnson and play Kelly/Sully off the bench at pf/c with Zeller maybe sitting games where opponent plays small.

At guard imo we will see a 3 man rotation of Smart/Bradley/Thomas with spot minutes for youngsters against bad teams.

giambijuice · Post #26 » by **giambijuice** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:53 am

can johnson guard the 3 ? cuz i would like

smart
ab
amir
lee
zeller

we need to rebound to run

Post #27 » by **Parliament10** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:00 am

AKFO wrote:
Writebloc wrote:Seems pretty evident what the starting line is going to be:

Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Lee
Zeller

Only one that could wiggle would be Turner over Crowder. I think Stevens will retain Jae for his defensive presence. I doubt Brad will put all this ground work with the team now just to change things up come regular season.

I'm thinking Crowder's only starting because of Turner's injury. Gotta save some perimeter defense for the second unit and Turner doesn't really fit well with IT.

Yeah. I agree with Writebloc. I can't see Turner starting over Crowder. Why? To increase Turner's Trade Value? I seriously doubt that that is on Stevens' mind.

klemen4 wrote:First unit need playmaking and has enough defense with Smart/Bradley...2nd unit with Thomas does not need Turner and Crowder defense is needed more.

smart, bradley, turner, lee, zeller
it, ?, crowder, kelly, johnson

this looks the best combination imo.

Offense and playmaking in first unit starts with Turner +Lee and in 2nd unit wit IT+Kelly.

Zeller starts against real C, otherwise imo we can start Lee/Johnson and play Kelly/Sully off the bench at pf/c with Zeller maybe sitting games where opponent plays small.

At guard imo we will see a 3 man rotation of Smart/Bradley/Thomas with spot minutes for youngsters against bad teams.

Enough defense??? – You didn't seriously just say that.

I agree that Turner, seems not to have a place. On neither the 1st, nor the 2nd unit. – But, as long as we keep him, then he's ahead of the younger players. But not ahead of Crowder.

10-Man Rotation, 1st game
Smart / Thomas
Bradley / Turner
Crowder / Jerebko
Lee --- / Amir
Zeller / (Sullinger, 1st game only.)

(Olynyk, is suspended for the 1st game, for his part in Kevin Love's dislocated shoulder.)

10-Man Rotation, normally
Smart / Thomas
Bradley / Turner
Crowder / Jerebko
Lee --- / Amir
Zeller / Olynyk

Jerebko, Amir, and Olynyk, play well together. The only odd ball, is Turner. Thus, Hunter will see the floor, more and more often.

Bar Fight · Post #28 » by **Bar Fight** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:27 pm

giambijuice wrote:can johnson guard the 3 ? cuz i would like

smart
ab
amir
lee
zeller

we need to rebound to run

That would be an abomination spacing wise. Give me Smart/IT/Crowder/Olynyk/Amir. You got a clear go-to number 1 option, outside shooting, and decent defense. Lee can be the 6th man off the bench this year.

bucknersrevenge · Post #29 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:08 pm

I actually agree with klemen here. I think Stevens keeps Turner in the starting 5. Even though Smart will now handle the ball a lot more than last year, having Turner out there will allow us to run a secondary PnR option if the first one is defended in the halfcourt. I know he doesn't defend 3's well but I see his size and passing ability and ballhandling as a good fit with Zeller as it was last year and he would have similar success with Lee I think. Crowder fits anywhere and where I think Turner will start it will be Crowder that finishes games in the 4th.

Edug27 · Post #30 » by **Edug27** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:22 pm

IT / Rozier
Smart / Bradley / Hunter
Crowder / Jerebko
Lee / Olynyk
Amir / Zeller / Mickey

Move Sully, Turner and Young.

Post #31 » by **Parliament10** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:16 am

Edug27 wrote:IT / Rozier
Smart / Bradley / Hunter
Crowder / Jerebko
Lee / Olynyk
Amir / Zeller / Mickey

Move Sully, Turner and Young.

I think that these three, are at the top of the list, of movable assets. Lee and Bradley also become expendable, as time goes on.

The matchups are going to depend upon the opponent, whether it's a back-to-back, injuries, and rest needs.
I'd like to see Hunter in the 10-man, sooner rather than later.

Smart / Thomas / Rozier
Bradley / Hunter / Young
Crowder / Jerebko / Turner
Lee --- / Amir --- / Mickey
Zeller / Olynyk / Sullinger

After the D-League opens up, on Nov. 12, I think that we may see as many as 4 youngsters (in red) go down at once.

Smart / Thomas / Rozier
Bradley / Turner / Hunter / Young
Crowder / Jerebko
Lee --- / Amir --- / Mickey
Zeller / Olynyk / Sullinger

ConstableGeneva · Post #32 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:35 am

Right now, it's Sully over Lee for me in the starting lineup. Overweight as he is, he showed (at least in the preseason) that he can give whatever Lee can theoretically bring for the team and more. He seemed focused and determined even when he makes mistakes early on in the game. Defensively, I have him as our 2nd best big (well third since Mickey is DPOY in my book). Because of his bulk, he gets fouled in the paint though he struggles finishing against length. Lee has trouble finishing in traffic and needs the space the starting group cannot provide (maybe he's better suited as P&R partner for IT in the second unit filled with shooters?). Another underrated advantage Sully has over Lee is his familiarity with the Celtics system being the 2nd most senior member of the team and continuity with most of the group.

It's not likely happening though. Lee will start and Sully will be getting spot minutes, if at all in the Philly game.

It's also Hunter over Turner for me as backup SG and Jerebko as SF. I still prefer IT handling the ball as much as possible. Turner doesn't provide spacing and still also needs the ball to be effective (his midrange is butter when it's on and frustrating when it's not). Hunter is NBA ready (based on my very limited knowledge and from what I've seen so far) though Turner might be the better defender at this point (which isn't saying a lot).

I prefer Jerebko at the 4 but that would push Olynyk or Amir out of the rotation and we don't want that.

For me personally,

Smart-Bradley-Crowder-Sully-Zeller
IT-Hunter-Jerebko-Olynyk-Amir

Rozier for change of pace and more guard D.
Lee and Turner can replace Kelly/Sully and RJ/Swedish Bird depending on matchups, performance, fatigue, injury and such.
Young and Mickey to Maine.

This is a mess. I should stick to the tweets and one-liners. You do you, Brad!

EDIT: Olynyk sits opening night (suspension)

Yunsen · Post #33 » by **Yunsen** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:33 am

Smart-Bradley-Crowder-Lee-Zeller
IT-Hunter-Turner-Olynyk-Amir

One of Smart or IT need to be on the floor at all times since we saw during preseason (lolpreseason but still) what happens without a PG on the court. Jerebko replaces Turner when we want to go big but shouldn't be standard. Zeller starts over Amir because we have solid defense from 1-3 but not a ton of offense. If teams go small then Sullinger takes up some of his minutes.

FlatearthZorro · Post #34 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:10 pm

Lineups are already set, baring any last minute changes by Brad.

As many wrote: Smart, Bradley, Crowder, Lee, Zeller, with a bench of: IT, Hunter,Turner,Olynyk,Amir(maybe Jerebko can take Olynyk's or Turner or even Amir's minutes, if they fail to produce in several games).. I think for the most part we will be at least 10 man deep, with maybe Rozier and Micky getting occassional minutes.

I know Brad was trying Jerebko as a sF with that 2nd unite, we will see if it sticks....

ConstableGeneva · Post #35 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:35 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/celtics/status/658715251848908801[/tweet]
Olynyk sits due to suspension. My guess is Jordan Mickey's the other inactive.

Post #36 » by **djFan71** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:54 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/celtics/status/658715251848908801[/tweet]
Olynyk sits due to suspension. My guess is Jordan Mickey's the other inactive.

I'm thinking Young since Mickey may actually get garbage time with 1 big out. But going forward it's both of them...

LobCityRondo2KG · Post #37 » by **LobCityRondo2KG** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:32 pm

Yeah i think Mickey is active to provide an additional big if needed..

Post #38 » by **Parliament10** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:02 pm

djFan71 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/celtics/status/658715251848908801[/tweet]
Olynyk sits due to suspension. My guess is Jordan Mickey's the other inactive.

I'm thinking Young since Mickey may actually get garbage time with 1 big out. But going forward it's both of them...

Yeah. I think that Mickey's in.

Mickey, IMO, has shown more promise than Young has, anyway. I doubt that Mickey plays in the D-League beyond this season.

ConstableGeneva · Post #39 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:51 am

Young and Mickey both listed as inactive for opening night roster, but that could still change. Final roster submitted an hour before game.

Post #40 » by **djFan71** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:31 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:Young and Mickey both listed as inactive for opening night roster, but that could still change. Final roster submitted an hour before game.

Yeah, just saw that. Weird, you'd think Kelly would be one of the 2, unless maybe suspensions don't let you???

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