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wco81 wrote:Another article that goes over drafts. This one goes back to Donahue's drafts.
I think it omits Crabtree, who did have a good season and parts of others before being let to. I don't know who was the GM who drafted him but Singletary was the coach.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/who-built-49ers-and-ones-who-got-away
Ray_Dogg wrote:wco81 wrote:Matavias Bryant, whom people were talking about here before the 2014 draft, scored 2 TDs, including an electrifying catch and run that broke the game open today.
He has 10 TDs in 11 games played.
Here are the players whom the 49ers drafted BEFORE Bryant was selected #118 overall in the fourth round:Code: Select all
2014,1,30,Jimmie Ward,DB,2015,0,0,0,1,13,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Northern Illinois
2014,2,57,Carlos Hyde,RB,2015,0,0,0,2,19,,,,,,166,708,7,21,116,0,,,Ohio St.
2014,3,70,Marcus Martin,C,2015,0,0,1,4,13,,,,,,,,,,,,,,USC
2014,3,77,Chris Borland,LB,2014,0,0,1,6,14,,,,,,,,,,,,2,1.0,Wisconsin
2014,3,100,Brandon Thomas,OL,2014,0,0,0,0,0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Clemson
2014,4,106,Bruce Ellington,WR,2015,0,0,0,1,16,,,,,,6,28,1,10,106,2,,,South Carolina
So far you'd have to say Bryant is a better player than all of these, except for maybe Hyde and only because Hyde is going to get more touches.
Maybe it's the scouts?
I'm gonna have to say yes the scouts/WR coaches play a part. Every year we talk up WRs on this board and just about every year the team passes on them even in draft classes so loaded it seems like a no-brainer. This has been going on since before Baalke. The ones they do draft immediately have us scratching our heads.
WRs we liked on here off the top of my head that we passed on:
Antonio Bryant
DeSean Jackson (was a local player that had a lot of love on here drafted Balmer and Rachal before instead)
Brandon Marshall (Pozz and I loved him but we took Brandon Williams a round before)
James Jones another local player (Pozz and I loved him took Jason Hill two picks before
Mario Manningham (wanna say Mac liked him)
Doug Baldwin (didn't draft and I wanted him so bad)
Jeffrey (Was my favorite of the bunch)
Hopkins (Pozz, myself and Clyde I think loved him)
Moncrief (Was my draft crush)
Bryant and Arob (1z loved them)
JMat (Clyde loved him)
I really liked Roddy White but I wouldn't have taken him #1 overall.
As for WRs we did draft that some on here liked:
Tai Streets (Mac liked him?, Derrick Hamilton (Pozz liked him?), Brandon Lloyd (DH loved him), Josh Morgan (I liked him) and Crabtree (Bingo and some others maybe Dodub were ok with it)
"Against the Seahawks, Ward gave up seven catches on seven targets for 91 yards and one touchdown, according to Pro Football Focus. He looked lost. He has allowed a passer rating of 116.3 this season. The Niners should stop asking Ward to play man coverage. Play him at safety or trade him to a team that will."
wco81 wrote:From another forum quoting a Bleacher Report column:"Against the Seahawks, Ward gave up seven catches on seven targets for 91 yards and one touchdown, according to Pro Football Focus. He looked lost. He has allowed a passer rating of 116.3 this season. The Niners should stop asking Ward to play man coverage. Play him at safety or trade him to a team that will."
zman1 wrote:It SHOULD be apparent to the current braintrust that they have no clue on speed players or WR. The only good WR we have had have come from established vets. Our attempts have drafts have utterly failed. They need to acknowledge this and fix it, better scouting, drafting and/or coaching or whatever. Likely scouting/drafting as I do not see Jenkins or LMJ catching on with anyone else, indicating they never had NFL talent.
Pattersonca65 wrote:wco81 wrote:From another forum quoting a Bleacher Report column:"Against the Seahawks, Ward gave up seven catches on seven targets for 91 yards and one touchdown, according to Pro Football Focus. He looked lost. He has allowed a passer rating of 116.3 this season. The Niners should stop asking Ward to play man coverage. Play him at safety or trade him to a team that will."
Wasn't Ward also on Lockett man coverage during the game? That is a big mismatch.
49er4life1979 wrote:Pattersonca65 wrote:wco81 wrote:From another forum quoting a Bleacher Report column:
Wasn't Ward also on Lockett man coverage during the game? That is a big mismatch.
As much as I agree that Ward is a natural safety, the lack of pass rush cannot be stated enough. A decent secondary has been torched this season because of it.
Pattersonca65 wrote:zman1 wrote:It SHOULD be apparent to the current braintrust that they have no clue on speed players or WR. The only good WR we have had have come from established vets. Our attempts have drafts have utterly failed. They need to acknowledge this and fix it, better scouting, drafting and/or coaching or whatever. Likely scouting/drafting as I do not see Jenkins or LMJ catching on with anyone else, indicating they never had NFL talent.
100% correct. I am still holding out hope for Ellington to be that speed guy on passing downs. He has been derailed by injuries but we've seen a glimpse of what he can do. Hopefully he can become another speed guy.
zman1 wrote:Pattersonca65 wrote:zman1 wrote:It SHOULD be apparent to the current braintrust that they have no clue on speed players or WR. The only good WR we have had have come from established vets. Our attempts have drafts have utterly failed. They need to acknowledge this and fix it, better scouting, drafting and/or coaching or whatever. Likely scouting/drafting as I do not see Jenkins or LMJ catching on with anyone else, indicating they never had NFL talent.
100% correct. I am still holding out hope for Ellington to be that speed guy on passing downs. He has been derailed by injuries but we've seen a glimpse of what he can do. Hopefully he can become another speed guy.
Well, kinda grasping at straws at this point. Has the guy really ever made a big play at all? I miss a lot of the action so maybe it has happened and I did not see it or just do not remember it. To me he looks like another underperformer.
How did Trent not draft Martavias Bryant?
49ers drafted the following players before Bryant:
1(30). Jimmie Ward, defensive back, Northern Illinois
2(57). Carlos Hyde, running back, Ohio State
3(70). Marcus Martin, center, Southern California
3(77). Chris Borland, inside linebacker, Wisconsin
3(100). Brandon Thomas, offensive lineman, Clemson
4(106). Bruce Ellington, wide receiver, South Carolina
Bryant was the 118th pick of the draft.
Thomas has been an absolute waste of a pick.
Ellington could be if he doesn't produce going forward.
Borland was a waste but they couldn't foresee that, unless they had a chance to really interview him before the draft.
Martin has been needed this year because of the injury to Kilgore but he seems like a backup, no pro bowl potential at all.
Hyde and Ward may turn out to be okay picks but neither has had the impact that Bryant has in their short careers.
wco81 wrote:Posted in the playoffs thread but watching Bryant play for the Steelers makes your blood boil:How did Trent not draft Martavias Bryant?
49ers drafted the following players before Bryant:
1(30). Jimmie Ward, defensive back, Northern Illinois
2(57). Carlos Hyde, running back, Ohio State
3(70). Marcus Martin, center, Southern California
3(77). Chris Borland, inside linebacker, Wisconsin
3(100). Brandon Thomas, offensive lineman, Clemson
4(106). Bruce Ellington, wide receiver, South Carolina
Bryant was the 118th pick of the draft.
Thomas has been an absolute waste of a pick.
Ellington could be if he doesn't produce going forward.
Borland was a waste but they couldn't foresee that, unless they had a chance to really interview him before the draft.
Martin has been needed this year because of the injury to Kilgore but he seems like a backup, no pro bowl potential at all.
Hyde and Ward may turn out to be okay picks but neither has had the impact that Bryant has in their short careers.