Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[Ruzious]

Garrett Temple for Jeff Withey straight up--Utah needs guard help and Garrett fits in well with their system--he's improved his long ball and would be a huge upgrade for them defensively at PG.

Kelly Oubre Jr and our 1st for Nerlens Noel. Not sure if Hinkie would take it, but its worth a shot. If they are confident about Embiid's health, then getting another pick and a young prospect like Oubre might be enticing to them.

I'm "eh" on Ryno. I think your stretch 4 needs to be a strong defender in todays NBA, not just someone who can shoot and has size. Defensively you need someone who's good enough to make it worth stretching the floor, otherwise you're just giving those points right back. We're seeing that now with Hump at the 4.

But yea, I'd make a move for front court players as soon as possible.

Banging my head as to why the Wiz showed no interest in Withey. In the 2 preseason games he played significant minutes in - he made 9 of 11 shots, rebounded well, blocked 7 shots, had 4 steals, and he's not getting PT. By all means, trade Temple for him - good trade for both teams.

[Dark Faze]

we could have had Isaiah Thomas and Withey on our bench this year

ernie got too conservative

[fishercob]

we could have had Isaiah Thomas and Withey on our bench this year

ernie got too conservative

It should not be forgotten that the Celtics got Thomas for an expiring contract and CLEVELAND's 2016 first round pick.

Ernie could have had Isaiah -- and his ridiculously valuable contract -- for Andre Miller and a top-20 protected pick in next year's draft.

Instead we have Sessions (and impending free agent) and said pick, likely to be in the mid-late teens to early 20's.

Imagine the Wizards in least year;s playoffs with Thomas instead of Sessions; we would have beaten Atlanta, even with Wall's injury.

Imagine this new offense with Wall/Thomas/Beal instead of Sessions or Neal in Thomas's place! How do you guard that?

Thomas's contract is one of the best in the league and is going to get more valuable over the next two seasons. That would be a nice chip to have if the Wizards wanted to use him to make a major deal.

SIGH.

Ernie really **** this one up.

[closg00]

we could have had Isaiah Thomas and Withey on our bench this year

ernie got too conservative

Its not that Ernie got too conservative, that would imply that he is a good talent evaluator and tactician. The sad truth is that he isn't a very good GM. Feel free to drop that Captain Obvious meme now.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

During the offseason, when things on this board took IMO a turn for the worse, a few posters used me and my past comments about EG as an excuse why they don't post much.

They still don't visit often.

Regardless, I took heed of their criticism. I don't comment on Grunfeld unless it's a compliment.

I merely want to point out to those particular parties that they need to find another fall guy. They also need to address there own opinion.

If they have anything relevant to add, I'd love to hear from them now.

[payitforward]

If one only comments on Ernie when it's a compliment -- that makes for a long time between comments on Ernie!

[tontoz]

In other news Jordan Clarkson is averaging 16 ppg shooting 50% from the field and 45% from 3.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If one only comments on Ernie when it's a compliment -- that makes for a long time between comments on Ernie!

I don't have a whole lot to say, but I can be very objective. Here goes:

There are a lot of good guys on the Wizards. Team chemistry and professionalism will be good.

--A lot of guys make threes.

--The young guys EG picked in the top three are performing well.

--Wittman has proven to be a pretty good coach.

--EG has created a lot of 2016-2017 cap space, and can potentially overhaul the Wizards roster next season.

That's as balanced and fair an assessment as I can muster.

[nuposse04]

There is another PHX 4 that is playing pretty damn well to start the season. Jon Leuer. 15-11 per 36 on good TS with a .175 ws/48, and on an expiring minimum.

Of course we'll end up with Markieff Morris instead >.>

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Justin Harper at stretch four?

http://nothinbutnets.com/2015/10/19/why-justin-harper-is-a-hidden-gem-for-the-brooklyn-nets/

That's a reach him being a star but he definitely can make threes.

[closg00]

Justin Harper at stretch four?

http://nothinbutnets.com/2015/10/19/why-justin-harper-is-a-hidden-gem-for-the-brooklyn-nets/

That's a reach him being a star but he definitely can make threes.

I have a long pre-draft memory

Post#515 » by closg00 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:00 pm

Top 15 Senior NBA Draft Prospects
http://.cnn.com/multim ... ent.1.html

Justin Harper sounds like potential good role-player on this team. Sniper

[pcbothwel]

I'm also for Terrence Jones.

I'm putting it in my sig though, we need to target Terrence Jones after this season ! I know some Wiz employees read this board

I'm coming around too, but I actually think trading for him now makes sense for two reasons:

1) We get the benefit of his production this year and we also see how he meshes with the team.

2) His cap-hold is only 6.2M next summer. We still have max cap space for KD, but we also aren't as desperate for him as Otto, Oubre, and Jones will be a strong combo

My only caveat is I dont give up Sato, No way. I offer up Blair and a lotto protected 1st

[Illmatic12]

I'm also for Terrence Jones.

I'm putting it in my sig though, we need to target Terrence Jones after this season ! I know some Wiz employees read this board

I'm coming around too, but I actually think trading for him now makes sense for two reasons:

1) We get the benefit of his production this year and we also see how he meshes with the team.

2) His cap-hold is only 6.2M next summer. We still have max cap space for KD, but we also aren't as desperate for him as Otto, Oubre, and Jones will be a strong combo

My only caveat is I dont give up Sato, No way. I offer up Blair and a lotto protected 1st

Good post, I didn't even know Jones' caphold was so low. KD2DC aside, there would be space to pursue Horford as well.


Jones is actually out indefinitely right now, but it's not a threatening injury (he cut his eyelid and had to get stitches. It may have gotten infected?). Either way you can see that Rockets fans don't have patience for him willing to trade him for anything:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=266088

They also gave up on Marcus Morris (and a host of other talented young players under Morey) so I don't put much stock in what their fans say

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Wizards need to look at what Miami and Memphis just did.

Pat Riley just stole an untapped big man, Jarnell Stokes. He acquired fellow Slovenian and former teammate to Goran Dragic, Beno Udrih. Mario Chalmers and James Ennis improve the speed and perimeter defense of Memphis. Stokes has the potential to be Udonis Haslem part 2.

Absolute steal of a trade by the Heat. Tyler Johnson is a beast of a PG. He replaces Chalmers and then some. But this kid Stokes IMO will turn out to be a stud.

[Ruzious]

I'm also for Terrence Jones.

I'm putting it in my sig though, we need to target Terrence Jones after this season ! I know some Wiz employees read this board

I'm coming around too, but I actually think trading for him now makes sense for two reasons:

1) We get the benefit of his production this year and we also see how he meshes with the team.

2) His cap-hold is only 6.2M next summer. We still have max cap space for KD, but we also aren't as desperate for him as Otto, Oubre, and Jones will be a strong combo

My only caveat is I dont give up Sato, No way. I offer up Blair and a lotto protected 1st

Good post, I didn't even know Jones' caphold was so low. KD2DC aside, there would be space to pursue Horford as well.


Jones is actually out indefinitely right now, but it's not a threatening injury (he cut his eyelid and had to get stitches. It may have gotten infected?). Either way you can see that Rockets fans don't have patience for him willing to trade him for anything:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=266088

They also gave up on Marcus Morris (and a host of other talented young players under Morey) so I don't put much stock in what their fans say

Thing is - he might be available for less than 6.2 mil in free agency in the offseason. It might not be just the fans who get tired of waiting on Jones - and Houston has some depth up front, so Jones could find himself stuck on the bench - with his value going down. I would not give up a first round pick for him at this point. I'd wait for free agency and use that first to get someone else. With the Wiz doing poorly now, that pick is gaining some value.

[pcbothwel]

Less than 6.2M? I dont see him getting less than 10M unless he really falls off. Aminu signed for 4/30M (7.5 per) last year. I think that is Jones's floor. Shumpert and Danny Green signed 4/40M and that seems more likely...

Regardless, i do agree that I want to see Jones play a little more and continue to show that he can shoot the 3 and we need to see improvements from the Wiz. We can revisit in another 20+ games.

[gambitx777]

I would cut blair and find rim protector off the street ASAP,
Personally I'm ready to give up a 2017 unprotected first to get Mrkeif Morris, do something like dudley and anderson / webby and blair webby and anderson / or what ever, Kelly is not playing too badly so we can afford to move some wings, and the first would probably be enough to get morris on its own with the filler being the wings. Yes that is long term money, but if we renounce hump thats only about 4 mill more on the books that we would have if we kept his option for next year, and if the cap goes up more than expected, then we could have more room to play with anyway.
Gortat/NENE
Morris/Hump
with Otto spoting in at the 4. that would help tremendously.

[stevemcqueen1]

Yeah, in this climate, I think Jones gets at least 6.2 in the offseason. He has young springy legs and some scoring tools. And I think he could help us almost immediately. We'd be way more athletic at PF. Bring in him and a back up C that's actually decent and our outlook in the front court looks much better.

It speaks to how desperate we are that Drew Gooden has such a big role for our team. That guy should be our 14th or 15th player.

[Ruzious]

Less than 6.2M? I dont see him getting less than 10M unless he really falls off. Aminu signed for 4/30M (7.5 per) last year. I think that is Jones's floor. Shumpert and Danny Green signed 4/40M and that seems more likely...

Regardless, i do agree that I want to see Jones play a little more and continue to show that he can shoot the 3 and we need to see improvements from the Wiz. We can revisit in another 20+ games.

Danny Green has accomplished a helluvalot more than Jones. And Aminu established himself as a top defender who plays smart - 2 things Jones has issues with. Jones has shown potential, but he hasn't stayed healthy other than in his 2nd year, he's disappointed in the playoffs, and now he's gotten off to the kind of start that could land him stuck on the bench. Shumpert... well, that's the Knicks doing. At this point, I think it would be foolish to give up a 1st for Jones - and I've always been a defender of his - he's always had a lot of people criticizing the way he plays going back to his days at KY. I like Jones, but he hasn't established a big market for himself, imo, and we're in no position to risk a 1st round pick on him when we can wait on him or someone just as good in free agency.

[pcbothwel]

Danny Green has accomplished a helluvalot more than Jones. And Aminu established himself as a top defender who plays smart - 2 things Jones has issues with. Jones has shown potential, but he hasn't stayed healthy other than in his 2nd year, he's disappointed in the playoffs, and now he's gotten off to the kind of start that could land him stuck on the bench. Shumpert... well, that's the Knicks doing. At this point, I think it would be foolish to give up a 1st for Jones - and I've always been a defender of his - he's always had a lot of people criticizing the way he plays going back to his days at KY. I like Jones, but he hasn't established a big market for himself, imo, and we're in no position to risk a 1st round pick on him when we can wait on him or someone just as good in free agency.

Fair enough, I am in no rush to give up a 1st. But Danny Green signed a below market contract, No doubt about it. He is much more comparable to Carroll, Middleton, and Mathews.
Also, below is comparison between Aminu and Jones both by career and last year. In what way do you see Aminu as superior? Jones looks like he clearly scores more efficiently on higher usage while turning it over less and being at least a comparable defender. Jones also outweighs Aminu by 35lbs and can guard bigger 4's.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2015&p1=aminual01&y2=2015&p2=joneste01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2015&p1=aminual01&y2=2015&p2=joneste01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=