Knicks-Cavs Official PG Thread

[HarthorneWingo]

So easy to blame Fisher but it's beyond him. Knicks don't have enough scoring. They are too easy to defend against late in games.

Fisher shows no creativity in drawing up plays in the fourth quarter, especially out of timeouts. I think it's fair to call him out on that.

[Jose7]

the savior

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aClbQ1W2NaM[/youtube]

[moocow007]

Ode to Derek Fisher

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV0d_5GES0A[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFRkpvvop3I[/youtube]

[nykfan42]

The offense in the 4th quarter lost the game. It was pathetic. Should've went to Afflalo more and KP. Can't just force feed it to Melo and expect him to bail you out. LeBron shut Melo down even though he got away with fouls but he gets every call, just saying. Should've won this and the last game. We should be sitting pretty at 6-4 going up against the Pelicans without Anthony Davis. Gotta win that game on Sunday. Can't give games away like this and dig ourselves into a hole.

A lotta dudes on this team are scared of the 4th. Ironically the younger guys aren't.

Well Lou Amundsen played a good game without scoring. Not sure why he's in there down the stretch tho. Same with Lance. He played well against Toronto but you gotta have RoLo out there. Galloway can hit big shots. KP can too in his brief career. Melo was on fire in the 1st half but you can't force feed it to him. It's too predictable. They need to work on their offense to close out games because it looks too much like the Mike Woodson offense.

[dakomish23]

So easy to blame Fisher but it's beyond him. Knicks don't have enough scoring. They are too easy to defend against late in games.

When Mariano Rivera was in his prime, I forgot which ex Yankee it was (maybe Leyritz) who was on a team that always got the best of him. He said "when you know what's coming, you can knock it out of the park with your eyes closed".

DFish has zero idea what to do in the 4th. So he gives Melo the ball with 5 seconds and a prayer.

Worse than that was how he didn't keep Melo going in the 3rd. The dude is on fire so you go elsewhere?

We should be riding a 4 game win streak. Instead we have a must win on Monday.

Idiot

[AmazingJason]

We got on Woodson for ISO, and we got on D'Antoni for not enough ISO.

But Fisher can't even do basic, basic stuff like rotations. It's like he's subbing while undergoing an anxiety attack.

[Sprewell4Three]

This was definitely one of the better games fisher coached I thought. I honestly have no clue what some of you are seeing. It sounds like crazy blaming just because you don't have legit opinions, just following the thread and parroting.

Rotations weren't bad tonight I thought.
Time out at the half and play for Melo sucked.
Play for KP at the rim, excellent I thought.
Going to AA for to exploit Dellavadova, excellent.

Really, tell me what he did wrong other than just complaining. Perhaps he stuck with players too long, but nothing is sticking out to me.

So tell me, please.

Amundson on the floor his negative offensive game. Lance Thomas in game at the same time. 2nd unit now looks lost and you got KOQ calling his own number and DWill and barely touching the ball. When that 2nd unit was free flowing they looked unstoppable. Now it looks like they've been force fed Fish's bull$hit! People dribbling too much. Calderon still on my team! KP not being used enough despite being the biggest mismatch on the floor night in and night out. Why was Afflalo on the bench until the 2 minute mark in the 4th during a Cavs comeback again?

DId I mention the main reason the bench unit is struggling? Lance Thomas can't run the floor well, he stumbles with the ball. With Cleanthony, he can glide to the rim, he can run the floor. That was our preseason bench lineup. Fisher went away from that.

If I was Phil I would cut Lance Thomas. I don't care about oh he works hard ..blah, blah,blah...the dude CAN'T play! What does he do exceptionally on the floor? His defense is mediocre, you could probably get better defense from CleAnthony. And in this game, DWill played better defense than him yet he received lesser minutes than Lance.

[Priggy Smalls]

The offense in the 4th quarter lost the game. It was pathetic. Should've went to Afflalo more and KP. Can't just force feed it to Melo and expect him to bail you out. LeBron shut Melo down even though he got away with fouls but he gets every call, just saying. Should've won this and the last game. We should be sitting pretty at 6-4 going up against the Pelicans without Anthony Davis. Gotta win that game on Sunday. Can't give games away like this and dig ourselves into a hole.

A lotta dudes on this team are scared of the 4th. Ironically the younger guys aren't.

Well Lou Amundsen played a good game without scoring. Not sure why he's in there down the stretch tho. Same with Lance. He played well against Toronto but you gotta have RoLo out there. Galloway can hit big shots. KP can too in his brief career. Melo was on fire in the 1st half but you can't force feed it to him. It's too predictable. They need to work on their offense to close out games because it looks too much like the Mike Woodson offense.

if only we were running the mike woodson offense. he actually managed to get melo the ball.

we just dick around for 20 seconds then give it to melo with no time to do anything but turn and fire.

[dakomish23]

Amundson is only good in spurts. Yes he had a solid game but you can't play him more than 10mpg because then he loses his effectiveness. Seeing Lance Thomas and Amundson close out the game is absolutely malpractice. Those substitutions cost us.

Malpractice. That's a great way to describe DFish's coaching

[Drun53]

This was definitely one of the better games fisher coached I thought. I honestly have no clue what some of you are seeing. It sounds like crazy blaming just because you don't have legit opinions, just following the thread and parroting.

Rotations weren't bad tonight I thought.
Time out at the half and play for Melo sucked.
Play for KP at the rim, excellent I thought.
Going to AA for to exploit Dellavadova, excellent.

Really, tell me what he did wrong other than just complaining. Perhaps he stuck with players too long, but nothing is sticking out to me.

So tell me, please.

Amundson on the floor his negative offensive game. Lance Thomas in game at the same time. 2nd unit now looks lost and you got KOQ calling his own number and DWill and barely touching the ball. When that 2nd unit was free flowing they looked unstoppable. Now it looks like they've been force fed Fish's bull$hit! People dribbling too much. Calderon still on my team! KP not being used enough despite being the biggest mismatch on the floor night in and night out. Why was Afflalo on the bench until the 2 minute mark in the 4th during a Cavs comeback again?

DId I mention the main reason the bench unit is struggling? Lance Thomas can't run the floor well, he stumbles with the ball. With Cleanthony, he can glide to the rim, he can run the floor. That was our preseason bench lineup. Fisher went away from that.

Very good point. The bench unit used to run the ball down people's throats, but with the wrong personnel in there, they can't do that. Derrick Williams's confidence is clearly shook, as is O'Quinn's.

Since the bench unit has to grind to a halt now, they struggle to execute in the half court, since well, they're not good at that. They need to compensate for that by running more.

[Clyde_Style]

It is true the clock management of this team so far has been abysmal

[iAdoreeKnicks]

It is true the clock management of this team so far has been abysmal

Kind of like the giants. =\

[moocow007]

The Knicks need someone that can create their own shot and get to the basket in those situations. They have none.

[dakomish23]

We got on Woodson for ISO, and we got on D'Antoni for not enough ISO.

But Fisher can't even do basic, basic stuff like rotations. It's like he's subbing while undergoing an anxiety attack.

And Lance is his safety blanket

[2010]

Where Phil messed up is when he started allowing Fisher to give him advice, when in fact it should always be the other way around.

1). Hey Phil, I don't think you should cut Lance and Lou. I think they'd be great assets for me in the locker room. I promise you I won't play them over your handpicked lottery pick and core free agent acquisitions

2). Hey Phil, I think you should make a kind gesture by re-signing my boys Lance and Lou for more than the vet's minimum

3). Hey Phil, I don't think you should offer the room exception ($2.8mm) to Shved. Who needs a talented ballhandling G who proved he can fit the system, gets in the paint, can break down the defense, and is great in the pick and roll. Instead, why don't you use that money on another big (Seraphin) that I won't play.

[Clyde_Style]

It is true the clock management of this team so far has been abysmal

Kind of like the giants. =\

You mean that sport where fat bastards in helmets beat the crap out each other?

[Clyde Frazier]

Coming down a little bit... this puts things in perspective:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/status/665373150201446400[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/status/665373026561560577[/tweet]

[MaseInYourFace]

The Knicks need someone that can create their own shot and get to the basket in those situations. They have none.

Exactly. Why do so few see this? It's beyond Fisher. It's beyond Melo.

[Drun53]

Why haven't we seen any Melo and KP pick-and-rolls? That would be deadly.

[Adelheid]

Lance is to Fisher as Ronnie Price is to Byron Scott...too much Favoritism