The Wizards big man situation is an embarrassment

Dark Faze · Post #121 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:57 pm

I really like Hump as a bench guy. I'm just saying, the writings on the wall guys. It really is

Illmatic12 · Post #122 » by **Illmatic12** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:57 pm

^I would add Josh Smith, Darrell Arthur, Brandon Bass, Patrick Patterson, McRoberts (he used to be great but has been terrible post-ACL)

Post #123 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:58 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:^I would add Josh Smith, Darrell Arthur, Brandon Bass, Patrick Patterson, McRoberts (he used to be great but has been terrible post-ACL)

Dat already has Darrell Arthur on his list. Why he had him on his list is a good question, because he's a bad NBA player having a putrid season. Dat's always liked him, and I never understood why.

Post #124 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:00 pm

Btw, that's quite a game Booker had last night - zero points, 3 rebounds, and 6 fouls.

Illmatic12 · Post #125 » by **Illmatic12** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:05 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:^I would add Josh Smith, Darrell Arthur, Brandon Bass, Patrick Patterson, McRoberts (he used to be great but has been terrible post-ACL)

Dat already has Darrell Arthur on his list. Why he had him on his list is a good question, because he's a bad NBA player having a putrid season. Dat's always liked him, and I never understood why.

Yeah, I was pointing out the other players he named who I would NOT take over Humphries.

And you're right, a good amount of them are terrible (like Arthur), or net negatives (like Smith).

Seeing these lists is making the point that in reality, Hump is nowhere near being one of the worst backup rotation PFs.

Post #126 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:43 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:^I would add Josh Smith, Darrell Arthur, Brandon Bass, Patrick Patterson, McRoberts (he used to be great but has been terrible post-ACL)

Dat already has Darrell Arthur on his list. Why he had him on his list is a good question, because he's a bad NBA player having a putrid season. Dat's always liked him, and I never understood why.

Yeah, I was pointing out the other players he named who I would NOT take over Humphries.

And you're right, a good amount of them are terrible (like Arthur), or net negatives (like Smith).

Seeing these lists is making the point that in reality, Hump is nowhere near being one of the worst backup rotation PFs.

Agreed. But I still like Patterson.

payitforward · Post #127 » by **payitforward** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:58 am

This is becoming an echo chamber, and once an opinion is stated, a lot of overstatement is being used to back it up. Nor is any data whatever, nor any analysis either, being put on display to support the opinion.

Humphries has had a solid NBA career as a 4. He's not the player he was a few years ago. But he isn't playing nearly as badly as is being claimed, and for sure he is not the reason we're losing; he's not even a significant part of the reason.

For starters, he's playing 20 minutes a night. We're not losing by 15, 20 or 25 points because of his 20 minutes. That's BS.

We're losing because we're giving our opponents lots more shots than we get pretty much every night. And we're doing that, mostly because we are turning the ball over a lot. Against Atlanta, Wall and Beal had 15 turnovers! You don't have to look any further to understand why we lost.

Against OKC, we didn't turn it over; instead Wall, Neal & Dudley combined to shoot 11-33. The team, other than Humphries who went 1-2, shot 4-22 on 3-pointers.

In fact, Humphries is pretty much the only starter who *isn't* turning the ball over at a career high rate! The only thing that's dropped significantly for Humphries is offensive rebounding. I guess if you keep him out on the perimeter to shoot 3's it affects his ability get offensive boards, huh?

Dat, your list of guys "better" than (or preferable to or whatever) Humphries is flat out ridiculous, sorry.

payitforward · Post #128 » by **payitforward** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:34 am

I should mention that Humphries is shooting 40% from the 3 point line.

payitforward · Post #129 » by **payitforward** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:55 am

"flat out ridiculous" -- no, no. That's *me* succumbing to overstatement. There are a number of guys on that list I'd rather have than Humphries. Pretty much anyone young and still developing, for example. And some *not* on the list as well -- Clint Capela, for example. Dwight Powell too. And I'd rather have any of those same guys than Gooden as well. And any 2 of them rather than our 2.

But, that doesn't mean Humphries is to be blamed for our bad play.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #130 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:13 am

Ruzious wrote:Also, Blair isn't the same guy anymore. Last year, he didn't play much because he was a fat slob. He's lost the weight, but once you let yourself go like that, there's no guarantee you re-gain your previous physical abilities. He's got to prove it. Maybe he will - I hope he does, but he's got to show something in the chances he gets. Does anyone think he's done that?

Nine rebounds in 17 mins. Terrific ORTg in preseason. He's okay, one game from a break out IMO.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #131 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:17 am

nate33 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:We've been over this, CCJ. Blair had the good fortune of playing alongside big men with perimeter range (Dirk, Duncan, Diaw, Bonner) so he could play bully ball in the paint without killing team spacing. The Wizards don't have that luxury. If you look at his numbers in Washington, you can see the problem.

But since you asked, Blair posted 14 and 11 per 36 (of a .544 TS%). His high turnover rate and high foul rate brought down his ORtg to 107. (Hump's ORtg over the same stretch was 110). So their numbers are about the same, only Humphries can coexist with non-shooting bigs since he has a 3P% of .400 this year (whereas Blair has a 3P% of 0%).

By the way, Blair has never posted a positive on/off differential, no matter with WAS, DAL, or SAS. He wasn't so bad in his first two seasons (on/off of -2.5) but has been horrific ever since (on/off of -7.7). Humphries has a career on/off of -1.5 and has been +0.5 over the last 6 seasons.

So, when you replace Dirk or Tim Duncan, might that explain a negative on/off regular season only?

(The first two regular seasons in SA were positive on/off differentials, BTW).

Nate, does NEVER include playoffs?
****Explain the +20.9 with Dallas and the +5.2 with San Antonio , and the +8.6 career per 100 possessions***

Also, explain his career playoff PER of 24.4. (Two very good teams were BETTER in the playoffs with Blair on the floor--I KNOW, because I watched. Just like you're watching Blair as a Wizard. Context matters.)

Nate, this time you're wrong. Every now and then I know exactly what I'm talking about.p

Small sample size theater. He's had 374 playoff minutes versus 6865 career regular season minutes. On/off numbers in particular are completely meaningless in small sample sizes.

Hasn't Blair played significantly less than 374 minutes as Wizard?

Small sample space?

Rare, but I totally got you this time.

AFM · Post #132 » by **AFM** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:33 am

and CCJ abosultely REKTS nate33. RIP nate. The Hawaiin Eye Test God strikes again. Hakuna matata bruh.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #133 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:55 am

My Dad (R.I.P.) used to "give the lecture" whenever I or one of my sisters messed up in some way. You knew he was right. It got on your nerves, but you knew if you listened you would learn something.

I miss him.

Oh, the lecture on Blair:

Rajon Rondo...

How'd he do in Dallas?

Not so good. What were people saying about him then? He stinks. He's a coach killer. He's through. Etc.

How's he doing for George Karl?

Night and day better. Three triple doubles the last four games. Why? He's healthy. He's being allowed to play his game. He's not being over coached. No beef with the coach. Result: He's back! Same as before.

What's this have to do with Blair?

Those of you saying Blair has no one to blame but himself wrote Rondo off with that logic. Blair came to a new team last season. He came at the end, last signed. Not only was he behind 4 other PFs and 2 Cs; he suffered an injury. Then he got fat. He stated himself that HE lost confidence in himself. Nothing has been right for Blair since he came to the Wizards.

Blair needs a trade or a radical change. New role, new position or a new coach. If/when that happens he will revert to form like Rondo has.

Let some players be one trick players. Don't over coach them or try to force them to fit your system that does not fit their skill set. (RG3 needs a change, too!)

For Thinner Blair====>PF is a better position! Try him with Gortat.

That is all.

closg00 · Post #134 » by **closg00** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:04 pm

It's still early in the season, we could make a small, low-risk move by waiving Temple and taking a look at Perry Jones. Jones has been the odd man out at several stops. Jones's length and athleticism could be a good fit in a small, running line-up. Waive Blair and Temple
And replace them with non-guaranteed guys from the D League. We could also add Famous near the end of the season after he finishes playing in Chinese league.

nuposse04 · Post #135 » by **nuposse04** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:59 pm

closg00 wrote:It's still early in the season, we could make a small, low-risk move by waiving Temple and taking a look at Perry Jones. Jones has been the odd man out at several stops. Jones's length and athleticism could be a good fit in a small, running line-up. Waive Blair and Temple
And replace them with non-guaranteed guys from the D League. We could also add Famous near the end of the season after he finishes playing in Chinese league.

Nah you waive Gary Neal. That guy is approaching Eric Maynor level of suck.

payitforward · Post #136 » by **payitforward** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:47 pm

nuposse04 wrote:
closg00 wrote:It's still early in the season, we could make a small, low-risk move by waiving Temple and taking a look at Perry Jones. Jones has been the odd man out at several stops. Jones's length and athleticism could be a good fit in a small, running line-up. Waive Blair and Temple
And replace them with non-guaranteed guys from the D League. We could also add Famous near the end of the season after he finishes playing in Chinese league.

Nah you waive Gary Neal. That guy is approaching Eric Maynor level of suck.

Agree completely -- Temple is a useful player who costs nothing. He had an excellent season last year. So far he hasn't done anything -- but I sure want him more than I want Gary Neal.

closg00 · Post #137 » by **closg00** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:11 pm

Oops!! Right, Neal should go before Temple. Bring-in Perry Jones, I would bet that he will be one of the first call-ups this season. Bring in Famous later, he is a smart playing center.

payitforward · Post #138 » by **payitforward** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:01 pm

On the assumption that Temple would be as productive over the next few years as he was on the season last year, I would never waive him nor trade him.

You just can't find a guy who produces at that level and gets paid $1m/year. And, if you do, grab him too! Now you have two of them!

Kanyewest · Post #139 » by **Kanyewest** » Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:36 am

Humphries with 5 3s and Nene played well too. Gortat also posted a double double in 28 minutes.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #140 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:30 am

payitforward wrote:On the assumption that Temple would be as productive over the next few years as he was on the season last year, I would never waive him nor trade him.

You just can't find a guy who produces at that level and gets paid $1m/year. And, if you do, grab him too! Now you have two of them!

This.