The Andrew Wiggins Thread

Nitroglycerin · Post #1241 » by **Nitroglycerin** » Fri Dec 4, 2015 3:07 am

I thinks it more of Wiggins drifting. He picks his spots where he'll turn on his switch. He has shown that he can rise above and grab rebounds. He's not just doing it regularly but if he bulks up I expect those reb numbers to increase. I wouldnt be suprise if he can play some 4 soon. He already has wiry strength

If he improves his handles and the team gets more chemistry those assists numbers would go up as well

Quentin · Post #1242 » by **Quentin** » Fri Dec 4, 2015 2:25 pm

I think Wiggins is trying to pace himself now. He's playing about 80% for 3 quarters but when the game is on the line in the 4th you can see him taking charge.

immortalone23 · Post #1243 » by **immortalone23** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:12 pm

What do you think about his defense? I'm just scared he won't develop the other areas of his game. Statistically, what has he shown he'll be a lockdown defender? I haven't been able to really watch a lot cuz of finals.

Post #1244 » by **Klomp** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 4:47 am

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AQuintus · Post #1245 » by **AQuintus** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:24 am

For the year, Wiggins is now averaging 21.3 ppg on .521 TS%. Without the first 4 games when Wiggins was playing with a bad back, he's averaging 22.7 ppg on .541 TS%.

Hisa · Post #1246 » by **Hisa** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:44 pm

im so happy because of his game yesterday, but why did it take him so long to pass the ball to teammates more frequently.. when we share the ball as a team we are so damn good, its a shame we didnt do that for about 20 of the 26 games this season

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1247 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:35 pm

Wiggins can't play next to Martin, who always gets in Wig's way in terms of touches and makes Drew more of a spectator on offense.

Post #1248 » by **Goudelock** » Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:18 pm

After reading the Wiggins Thread on the GB, I"m convinced that Andrew Wiggins gets more undue criticism than any other young player in the league.

Post #1249 » by **C.lupus** » Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:33 pm

PockyCandy wrote:After reading the Wiggins Thread on the GB, I"m convinced that Andrew Wiggins gets more undue criticism than any other young player in the league.

Gotta love those posts like "I'm a hardcore fantasy player and can tell he sucks because his line looks like..." It's pretty clear most of those guys don't actually watch him play regularly.

Post #1250 » by **Goudelock** » Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:37 pm

C.lupus wrote:
PockyCandy wrote:After reading the Wiggins Thread on the GB, I"m convinced that Andrew Wiggins gets more undue criticism than any other young player in the league.

Gotta love those posts like "I'm a hardcore fantasy player and can tell he sucks because his line looks like..." It's pretty clear most of those guys don't actually watch him play regularly.

Yeah, they're the worst.

I would like to know why he doesn't grab more boards though. Seems like he should be grabbing at least 5 every game simply because of his athletic gifts.

Post #1251 » by **C.lupus** » Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:42 pm

A lot of it is effort, tbh. He's usually on the perimeter and just stands there or leaks out rather than crashing the boards. Shabazz like to fly in from the corner and grab boards. Wiggins is capable of doing that, too. He just doesn't have that mindset right now. A coach that emphasized that with him would probably set him straight.

Zeitgeister · Post #1252 » by **Zeitgeister** » Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:46 pm

C.lupus wrote:A lot of it is effort, tbh. He's usually on the perimeter and just stands there or leaks out rather than crashing the boards. Shabazz like to fly in from the corner and grab boards. Wiggins is capable of doing that, too. He just doesn't have that mindset right now. A coach that emphasized that with him would probably set him straight.

After that 10 rebound game he said that Sam Mitchell told him he needs to get more rebounds but he's back to getting the same amount right after that game again.

Post #1253 » by **C.lupus** » Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:49 pm

Mitchell should probably be a little harder on him. He has the stick (playing time) and should use it a bit more on Wiggins. Wigs doesn't need to be getting 35 mpg if he's not putting forth the effort or not doing what Sam wants. Sit him and send a message.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1254 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:57 pm

I actually don't like Wiggins post up action. I think it takes too much toll on his skinny ass frame. I wish he would learn getting his by moving without the ball, cutting to the rim as I think with good passers like Rubio and Towns he could get his points in easier and more efficient ways. But we would have to have an actual offensive system implemented, something our coaches can't do.
Crashing the off. boards using his athleticism would be great as well. His iso action is also not very efficient ball.

AQuintus · Post #1255 » by **AQuintus** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:48 pm

Some defensive stats (ignoring Tyus Jones due to sample size):

Overall, the guy that Wiggins is defending shoots 1.4% worse with Wiggins on him than he usually does (42.4% vs 43.8%). That's 3rd best on the team behind Towns (2.1% worse) and Garnett (4.2% worse). Kevin Martin and Gorgui Dieng are our two worst defenders. Both allow their man to shoot 8.3% BETTER than usual.

Guys shoot 2.7% worse than usual on 3 pointers with Wiggins guarding them (5th best on the team behind Rubio, Rudez, Payne, and Garnett). The team's worst are Muhammad (8.3% better) and Prince (7.5% better).

Guys shoot 1% better from 2 with Wiggins on them which is 5th best on the team (behind Prince, Rubio, Bjelica, and Towns). Worst on the team are Miller (13.5% better) and Martin (13.3% better).

Guys shoot 2.7% worse from less than 6 feet with Wiggins on them which is 3rd best on the team (behind LaVine and Towns). Worst on the team are Miller (23.1% better) and Martin (22.7% better).

Guys shoot .5% worse from less than 10 feet with Wiggins on them which is 6th best on the team (behind LaVine, Prince, Muhammad, Bjelica, and Towns). Worst on the team are Martin (22.1% better) and Rudez (19.6% better).

Guys shoot .7% worse from greater than 15 feet with Wiggins on them which is 6th best on the team (behind Towns, Rubio, Payne, Rudez, and Garnett). Worst on the team are Dieng (7.2%) and Muhammad (6.1%).

Conclusions:

1) Despite what some advanced stats say, player tracking seems to suggest that Wiggins is a good defender.

2) Martin is a massive sieve on defense and the sooner we trade him the better.

3) We could definitely stand to upgrade the backup PG spot defensively. Hopefully Jones will be an upgrade over Miller.

4) LaVine is better defensively than I expected.

5) Dieng is even worse than I expected, and I had a low opinion of him already. Despite his improvements offensively, I think the team should seriously consider moving on from him and getting an actual defender at the backup 5.

6) We really need some guys that can both play defense and shoot 3s.

AQuintus · Post #1256 » by **AQuintus** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:01 pm

As far as rebounding:

Wiggins averages 2.1 defensive rebounds per game which is 7th on the team. 0.6 of those rebounds are considered contested, and 1.6 are considered uncontested.

His contested rebounding percentage is 26.7% which is 7th on the team (ahead of Muhammad - 24.1%, Dieng - 20.4%, Garnett - 20%, Martin - 19.2%, and LaVine - 9.9%).

The total number of defensive rebounding opportunities per game (measure by a player being within 3.5 feet of a defensive rebound) are 4.2 which is 7th on the team.

Wiggins' DREB Chance% (the percentage of rebounding chances that he actually turns into rebounds) is 51.3% which is 3rd to last on the team (best on team is Prince at 88.5%, the rest of the top is around 82-83%). Wiggins clearly needs to get much better at this.

Wiggins' adjusted DREB Chance% (the same as above minus deferred rebounds) is 66.7% which is 2nd to last on the team.

Basically, Wiggins is getting 0.5-1 less defensive rebound per game than he should.

Wiggins' adjusted OREB Chance% is 46.2% with the team best being Prince at 63.2% and the rest of the top being around 50%. So, basically, Wiggins is getting around 0.5 less offensive rebounds per game than he should.

Wiggins is averaging 3.6 rpg this year. He should be averaging around 5.1, which would be right in line with normal SG rebounding numbers.

jinxed · Post #1257 » by **jinxed** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:31 pm

RPM is not kind to Andrew.

He currently ranks 82nd of 86 SG's in the league..

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/RPM/position/2

Mostly because of his atrocious defense, which ranks amongst the worst players in the league. On offense, he is average.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #1258 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:26 am

Sam needs to cut his minutes.

Less minutes and get more productivity. Him getting those extra minutes as the 3rd option on the second unit does do nobody any good.

Hisa · Post #1259 » by **Hisa** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:08 am

I only watched the last 4 minutes of the pacers game and was reminded instantly of how bad Wiggins is on defense, despite him having all the tools to be really good.. i have been saying this for months now, but no one other cared.. its just the lack of effort.. but at least he did pad his shooting stats in the last play of the game

Nitroglycerin · Post #1260 » by **Nitroglycerin** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:09 am

Its suprising that he's more of a scorer than a defender right now. Its more about effort. Same with Lavine. But I believe Rubio-Lavine-Wiggins-Towns-Somebody has potential to be a solid defensive group in time