Gauging Value: PJ Tucker

Post #1 » by **bondom34** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 2:37 pm

I really think Tucker would be a great fit as a wing off the bench or spot starting for OKC.

So is package of McGary and some other additional asset enough? I'm mostly trying to gauge value because I don't really know how highly PHX values him or what they'd want.

hcsilla · Post #2 » by **hcsilla** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 3:10 pm

When the Suns will be out of the play-off hunt (probably sooner than later) it seems logical that Tucker will be available.

Tucker, Goodwin for Novak, Payne?

Post #3 » by **bondom34** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 3:22 pm

hcsilla wrote:When the Suns will be out of the play-off hunt (probably sooner than later) it seems logical that Tucker will be available.

Tucker, Goodwin for Novak, Payne?

Yeah, if its costing Payne, nevermind.

hcsilla · Post #4 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 10:39 am

bondom34 wrote:
hcsilla wrote:When the Suns will be out of the play-off hunt (probably sooner than later) it seems logical that Tucker will be available.

Tucker, Goodwin for Novak, Payne?

Yeah, if its costing Payne, nevermind.

If Payne is indeed too much, then Tucker, Jefferson (Cotton waived) for McGary, Huestis and Novak comes to my mind.

mademan · Post #5 » by **mademan** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 12:05 pm

Raps have a few picks/prospects, i think Tucker would be a good fit for them as a 2/3 off the bench and smallball 4, what would the suns be looking for?

hcsilla · Post #6 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 1:52 pm

Patterson, Johnson, fillers (Bennett, Powell), NYK's 2016 1st rounder for Morris, Tucker, Goodwin.

chuckdevlin · Post #7 » by **chuckdevlin** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 2:38 pm

hcsilla wrote:Patterson, Johnson, fillers (Bennett, Powell), NYK's 2016 1st rounder for Morris, Tucker, Goodwin.

wat

Morris Tucker + Weems (for Ross poison pill contract)
for
PPat, Ross + LAC 2017 1ST

hcsilla · Post #8 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 3:32 pm

No way, that the Suns take Ross' contract.

mademan · Post #9 » by **mademan** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 3:33 pm

hcsilla wrote:No way, that the Suns take Ross' contract.

JJ+pick (2017 clips, 2016 raps, or 2017 raps) for PJ?

hcsilla · Post #10 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 3:50 pm

mademan wrote:
hcsilla wrote:No way, that the Suns take Ross' contract.

JJ+pick (2017 clips, 2016 raps, or 2017 raps) for PJ?

That also makes sense.

Bentley1225 · Post #11 » by **Bentley1225** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 4:00 pm

Patterson and 2017 2nd for Tucker and 2016 Cleveland 1st (24-30 projected)

Raps need Tucker while Carroll is out and JJ can play at the 4 behind Scola.

Suns get further shooting at the 4 spot while Warren, Weems and Teletovic can play the 3.

Lowry/Joseph/Wright
DeRozan/Powell
Ross/Tucker/Caboclo/Caroll
Scola/Johnson/Bennett
Biyombo/Noguiera/Valinciunas

Bledsoe/Price/Cotton
Knight/Booker/Goodwin
Warren/Teletovic/Weems
Morris/Patterson/Jefferson
Chandler/Len/Leuer

hcsilla · Post #12 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 4:06 pm

Bentley1225 wrote:Patterson and 2017 2nd for Tucker and 2016 Cleveland 1st (24-30 projected)

Without the picks I can see the Suns taking this offer if they deal Markieff in a separate deal like Markieff for Humphries, Gooden, WAS' 2016 1st rounder (top10-12 protected).

cammac · Post #13 » by **cammac** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 4:31 pm

Tucker 8.2 PER hasn't huge value & Markieff Morris 9.5 PER for Patterson & Ross at least Ross has some potential upside.

jowglenn · Post #14 » by **jowglenn** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 4:32 pm

I've always liked Tucker but I don't know if he has much value - he's 30, he's averaging 6 & 5 on the worst shooting percentages of his career. I don't know that you can get a 1st for him.

I wouldn't mind having him on the Pacers, but we won't give you our 1st. Budinger, Solo Hill & 2 2nds is the limit for us.

hcsilla · Post #15 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 4:53 pm

jowglenn wrote:I've always liked Tucker but I don't know if he has much value - he's 30, he's averaging 6 & 5 on the worst shooting percentages of his career. I don't know that you can get a 1st for him.

I wouldn't mind having him on the Pacers, but we won't give you our 1st. Budinger, Solo Hill & 2 2nds is the limit for us.

That doesn't bring any benefit for the Suns, they would rather keep Tucker.

About Tucker: he is trying hard but things just don't go well for him. I doubt that he declined suddenly, he is probably still the same player, just hasn't found his former himself, yet.

hcsilla · Post #16 » by **hcsilla** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 4:56 pm

cammac wrote:Tucker 8.2 PER hasn't huge value & Markieff Morris 9.5 PER for Patterson & Ross at least Ross has some potential upside.

It's encouraging that for 10 mil. annual salary Ross even has some potential upside, but even based on his best season he seems (heavily) overpaid.

Post #17 » by **Smitty731** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 5:49 pm

I don't think I would give up much of anything for him. I'm not a fan of his game over a lot of other guys, and he seems like he's a liability to go off the rails at any point. I just think the downside potential is greater than any possible upside.

Post #18 » by **bondom34** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 7:40 pm

hcsilla wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
hcsilla wrote:When the Suns will be out of the play-off hunt (probably sooner than later) it seems logical that Tucker will be available.

Tucker, Goodwin for Novak, Payne?

Yeah, if its costing Payne, nevermind.

If Payne is indeed too much, then Tucker, Jefferson (Cotton waived) for McGary, Huestis and Novak comes to my mind.

I'd do that.

Zion Wembanyama · Post #19 » by **Zion Wembanyama** » Wed Dec 9, 2015 3:49 am

hcsilla wrote:When the Suns will be out of the play-off hunt (probably sooner than later) it seems logical that Tucker will be available.

Tucker, Goodwin for Novak, Payne?

You are definitely selling the value of Tucker AND Goodwin short.

hcsilla · Post #20 » by **hcsilla** » Wed Dec 9, 2015 6:15 am

It's great to hear that they can net more than Cameron Payne.