Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II

[MettaWorldPanda]

Wallace said Deng and Birdman for Rudy Gay is being discussed. He said he's not reporting that it's immenent, but it's something that's out there. He also mentioned Markief Morris as a possibility.

What do you guys think about Tony Snell. He seems attainable because I've seen some Bulls fans complaining about Tony Snell. He doesn't put up big stats, but he''s shooting 3's at 37% on 3 attempts per game. So he's a slight upgrade over Deng at threes. His net rating and defensive fg% is similar to Winslow's. He's holding opponents to -5.5% below their average. So basically it would be like having two Winslow's, but one with a lot less upside and a reliable three. Just spitballing.

I seriously would not mind getting Rudy Gay at all. It would only work if they take McBob instead though. We should still have plenty to give Whiteside his 18-20 and whatever is left you give Wade and use the exemptions to sign the rest with some mimimum salary players.

[gom]

Wallace said Deng and Birdman for Rudy Gay is being discussed. He said he's not reporting that it's immenent, but it's something that's out there. He also mentioned Markief Morris as a possibility.

What do you guys think about Tony Snell. He seems attainable because I've seen some Bulls fans complaining about Tony Snell. He doesn't put up big stats, but he''s shooting 3's at 37% on 3 attempts per game. So he's a slight upgrade over Deng at threes. His net rating and defensive fg% is similar to Winslow's. He's holding opponents to -5.5% below their average. So basically it would be like having two Winslow's, but one with a lot less upside and a reliable three. Just spitballing.

I seriously would not mind getting Rudy Gay at all. It would only work if they take McBob instead though. We should still have plenty to give Whiteside his 18-20 and whatever is left you give Wade and use the exemptions to sign the rest with some mimimum salary players.

I think we won't be able to keep Whiteside if we get Rudy Gay:



I wouldn't expect Wade to play for 7M

[dancing2thabeet]

He's not going to start balling. That's the point. Go look at his career on bball ref. he sucks. Always has and he always will. He peaked at 8pts 4asts on 36% from 3 when playing major minutes in a big role. Here as a bench big though? 3 and 3 while shooting 13% from 3. Coincidentally he's only hit 3 3's on the season. I think he has a thing for the number 3.

He sucks!

I'm not much of a stats guy. When he was in the game both our defense and ball movement were better. Wade and Bosh hero ball isn't taking us anywhere, that train left to Cleveland along with James. The only way we have a chance at winning a playoff series is by team ball and McBob is good at that.

[QUIZ]

He's not going to start balling. That's the point. Go look at his career on bball ref. he sucks. Always has and he always will. He peaked at 8pts 4asts on 36% from 3 when playing major minutes in a big role. Here as a bench big though? 3 and 3 while shooting 13% from 3. Coincidentally he's only hit 3 3's on the season. I think he has a thing for the number 3.

He sucks!

I'm not much of a stats guy. When he was in the game both our defense and ball movement were better. Wade and Bosh hero ball isn't taking us anywhere, that train left to Cleveland along with James. The only way we have a chance at winning a playoff series is by team ball and McBob is good at that.

Is that what you saw? Because to me he always looked like the net negative guy who was afraid to shoot. He rarely made a positive impact even before getting hurt.

He was just the filler guy that we played while we waited for Bosh and or Hassan to get their rest.

[dancing2thabeet]

He's not going to start balling. That's the point. Go look at his career on bball ref. he sucks. Always has and he always will. He peaked at 8pts 4asts on 36% from 3 when playing major minutes in a big role. Here as a bench big though? 3 and 3 while shooting 13% from 3. Coincidentally he's only hit 3 3's on the season. I think he has a thing for the number 3.

He sucks!

I'm not much of a stats guy. When he was in the game both our defense and ball movement were better. Wade and Bosh hero ball isn't taking us anywhere, that train left to Cleveland along with James. The only way we have a chance at winning a playoff series is by team ball and McBob is good at that.

Is that what you saw? Because to me he always looked like the net negative guy who was afraid to shoot. He rarely made a positive impact even before getting hurt.

He was just the filler guy that we played while we waited for Bosh and or Hassan to get their rest.

So Dragic, Deng and pretty much everybody and their mother got a pass for playing bad because "not enough minutes together, no chemistry, being rusty" but McBob doesn't because ... he looked bad to you? Did you forget how me made our runs in the beginning of this season? It was our bench and McRoberts high post playmaking was a huge part of that. Our starters proved little this year apart from Wade and Bosh going ham a few games by themselves (which, given their salary and usage rate should happen more often anyway).

Dude wasn't 100% when he played, I agree - especially about being too hesitant to shoot. But one thing that went out of the window as soon as McBob sat was ball movement.

If we trade him for a shooter or even a healthier playmaker it's fine, but if we're getting back another iso-heavy chucker you can say goodbye to any success in the near future (not like the said future is looking particularly bright now but still).

[RexBoyWonder]

Rudy Gay is an Ok player, but not sure how fits with our long term plans.

Dragon
Wade
Gay
Bosh
Whiteside

?

Again not enough shooting, Gay is only slightly better shooter then Deng. (but a better player overall).

Unless Wade move to the Mano role off the bench, and we somehow add a great shooter. But we can't add a great shooter, and J-Rich and TJ aren't ready for a big role yet.

Anyway the bigger point is we look lost on offense, to me it looks deeper then the current roster, it looks like a combination of bad fits and an inept offensive scheme.

If we can't get it together, Whiteside might be the one paying the price just because he's the one with no contract for next year. And his attitude doesn't help his case. And if Let Whiteside walk, it opens up enough cap to make a big change. Didn't run the numbers but maybe something like :

Dragon
Wade
Batum
Ryan Anderson
Bosh

Offensively, that's a very very good team IMO. Very good overall shooting, good playing making from 3 guys, good versatility.

Honestly I think that's a better team then our current team with Deng and Whiteside.

[puppa bear]

Wallace said Deng and Birdman for Rudy Gay is being discussed. He said he's not reporting that it's immenent, but it's something that's out there. He also mentioned Markief Morris as a possibility.

What do you guys think about Tony Snell. He seems attainable because I've seen some Bulls fans complaining about Tony Snell. He doesn't put up big stats, but he''s shooting 3's at 37% on 3 attempts per game. So he's a slight upgrade over Deng at threes. His net rating and defensive fg% is similar to Winslow's. He's holding opponents to -5.5% below their average. So basically it would be like having two Winslow's, but one with a lot less upside and a reliable three. Just spitballing.

I seriously would not mind getting Rudy Gay at all. It would only work if they take McBob instead though. We should still have plenty to give Whiteside his 18-20 and whatever is left you give Wade and use the exemptions to sign the rest with some mimimum salary players.

I think we won't be able to keep Whiteside if we get Rudy Gay:



I wouldn't expect Wade to play for 7M

When I see that spreadsheet I think that Bosh could be the problem financially. His max contract will look comparably reasonable in a couple of years, but it may be the thing that prevents us from making moves now & adding something in the offseason without costing another asset.

[contract]

Wallace said Deng and Birdman for Rudy Gay is being discussed. He said he's not reporting that it's immenent, but it's something that's out there. He also mentioned Markief Morris as a possibility.

What do you guys think about Tony Snell. He seems attainable because I've seen some Bulls fans complaining about Tony Snell. He doesn't put up big stats, but he''s shooting 3's at 37% on 3 attempts per game. So he's a slight upgrade over Deng at threes. His net rating and defensive fg% is similar to Winslow's. He's holding opponents to -5.5% below their average. So basically it would be like having two Winslow's, but one with a lot less upside and a reliable three. Just spitballing.

I seriously would not mind getting Rudy Gay at all. It would only work if they take McBob instead though. We should still have plenty to give Whiteside his 18-20 and whatever is left you give Wade and use the exemptions to sign the rest with some mimimum salary players.

We don't have enough balls to go around with our starting unit now, and our bench is paper thin. Adding Gay wouldn't help any of that, nor would it make this team a contender. We need to decide who we want to keep and build around, and then make our roster make sense with the talent we keep and Spo's style of play.

We need to quit adding the best available player regardless of fit. Fit matters. It matters a lot.

[contract]

Rudy Gay is an Ok player, but not sure how fits with our long term plans.

Dragon
Wade
Gay
Bosh
Whiteside

?

Again not enough shooting, Gay is only slightly better shooter then Deng. (but a better player overall).

Unless Wade move to the Mano role off the bench, and we somehow add a great shooter. But we can't add a great shooter, and J-Rich and TJ aren't ready for a big role yet.

Anyway the bigger point is we look lost on offense, to me it looks deeper then the current roster, it looks like a combination of bad fits and an inept offensive scheme.

If we can't get it together, Whiteside might be the one paying the price just because he's the one with no contract for next year. And his attitude doesn't help his case. And if Let Whiteside walk, it opens up enough cap to make a big change. Didn't run the numbers but maybe something like :

Dragon
Wade
Batum
Ryan Anderson
Bosh

Offensively, that's a very very good team IMO. Very good overall shooting, good playing making from 3 guys, good versatility.

Honestly I think that's a better team then our current team with Deng and Whiteside.

Mostly I agree, but it makes no sense to keep Dragic around if Wade is going to dominate the ball on a slow paced team. Dragic needs the ball and he needs a faster pace to be effective.

[RexBoyWonder]

Rudy Gay is an Ok player, but not sure how fits with our long term plans.

Dragon
Wade
Gay
Bosh
Whiteside

?

Again not enough shooting, Gay is only slightly better shooter then Deng. (but a better player overall).

Unless Wade move to the Mano role off the bench, and we somehow add a great shooter. But we can't add a great shooter, and J-Rich and TJ aren't ready for a big role yet.

Anyway the bigger point is we look lost on offense, to me it looks deeper then the current roster, it looks like a combination of bad fits and an inept offensive scheme.

If we can't get it together, Whiteside might be the one paying the price just because he's the one with no contract for next year. And his attitude doesn't help his case. And if Let Whiteside walk, it opens up enough cap to make a big change. Didn't run the numbers but maybe something like :

Dragon
Wade
Batum
Ryan Anderson
Bosh

Offensively, that's a very very good team IMO. Very good overall shooting, good playing making from 3 guys, good versatility.

Honestly I think that's a better team then our current team with Deng and Whiteside.

Mostly I agree, but it makes no sense to keep Dragic around if Wade is going to dominate the ball on a slow paced team. Dragic needs the ball and he needs a faster pace to be effective.

Wade + Dragic is not ideal, but Wade is 35 next year, you can't make major moves because "Wade is here". He might miss a lot of time next year, and most likely decline a lot even if healthy the year after that. Then we'll be praying for someone like Dragic, but he'll be long gone and we won't find a better replacement (or any replacement).

[contract]

Rudy Gay is an Ok player, but not sure how fits with our long term plans.

Dragon
Wade
Gay
Bosh
Whiteside

?

Again not enough shooting, Gay is only slightly better shooter then Deng. (but a better player overall).

Unless Wade move to the Mano role off the bench, and we somehow add a great shooter. But we can't add a great shooter, and J-Rich and TJ aren't ready for a big role yet.

Anyway the bigger point is we look lost on offense, to me it looks deeper then the current roster, it looks like a combination of bad fits and an inept offensive scheme.

If we can't get it together, Whiteside might be the one paying the price just because he's the one with no contract for next year. And his attitude doesn't help his case. And if Let Whiteside walk, it opens up enough cap to make a big change. Didn't run the numbers but maybe something like :

Dragon
Wade
Batum
Ryan Anderson
Bosh

Offensively, that's a very very good team IMO. Very good overall shooting, good playing making from 3 guys, good versatility.

Honestly I think that's a better team then our current team with Deng and Whiteside.

Mostly I agree, but it makes no sense to keep Dragic around if Wade is going to dominate the ball on a slow paced team. Dragic needs the ball and he needs a faster pace to be effective.

Wade + Dragic is not ideal, but Wade is 35 next year, you can't make major moves because "Wade is here". He might miss a lot of time next year, and most likely decline a lot even if healthy the year after that. Then we'll be praying for someone like Dragic, but he'll be long gone and we won't find a better replacement (or any replacement).

We're either playing to win now or building for the future without Wade. We can't do both at the same time. And Bosh isn't getting any younger either. That is part of the problem with the composition of our team. It's schizophrenic. We're not fully committed to now, nor are we in full rebuild mode. As a result, our roster is a mess, and we have a lack of picks to add youth.

[Bishop45]

Wallace said Deng and Birdman for Rudy Gay is being discussed. He said he's not reporting that it's immenent, but it's something that's out there. He also mentioned Markief Morris as a possibility.

What do you guys think about Tony Snell. He seems attainable because I've seen some Bulls fans complaining about Tony Snell. He doesn't put up big stats, but he''s shooting 3's at 37% on 3 attempts per game. So he's a slight upgrade over Deng at threes. His net rating and defensive fg% is similar to Winslow's. He's holding opponents to -5.5% below their average. So basically it would be like having two Winslow's, but one with a lot less upside and a reliable three. Just spitballing.

I seriously would not mind getting Rudy Gay at all. It would only work if they take McBob instead though. We should still have plenty to give Whiteside his 18-20 and whatever is left you give Wade and use the exemptions to sign the rest with some mimimum salary players.

We don't have enough balls to go around with our starting unit now, and our bench is paper thin. Adding Gay wouldn't help any of that, nor would it make this team a contender. We need to decide who we want to keep and build around, and then make our roster make sense with the talent we keep and Spo's style of play.

We need to quit adding the best available player regardless of fit. Fit matters. It matters a lot.

I'm too tired to type out some long post but basically this. No matter what we think or who we think should be leading this team, for the rest of his career here it will be Wade. Lebron wasn't just a great fit because he was a great talent, he knew how to play with Wade. Wade's always been a 30%, high usage guy and he's always going to be... our success with him in the core is solely dependent on how we build around him, period. Adding shooting cause the team might need shooting is aside from the point, hell... I don't even care for it anymore. Get another facilitator in the starting unit, another PG on the bench and 1-2 back-up bigs... everything else is minimal/whatever

[Bishop45]

Thank you @DancingSlovenianPoster, he's a serviceable back-up big, even offers a few intangibles that a lot of back-up bigs don't. He's an all around great rotational player, not very easy to land them and if he's healthy then I don't mind him

[Mars]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

WOW

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[Heat_Fan_87]

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[Prince Ali]

Rudy Gay is an Ok player, but not sure how fits with our long term plans.

Dragon
Wade
Gay
Bosh
Whiteside



Dragon
Wade
Batum
Ryan Anderson
Bosh

Offensively, that's a very very good team IMO. Very good overall shooting, good playing making from 3 guys, good versatility.
.

This team would be so poor defensively its laughable. The best option for this team has always been to maximize the current core. That means signing Whiteside to whatever dollar amount, develop his post game. Develop the younger players on the team. Deal Deng/McRoberts/Birdman for what you can. Again I don't understand the fascination with Nick Batum on this board, he shoots the same 3 point % as Deng and is going to demand a lot of $$. Of the 3 Gay is probably the best fit. That first lineup with Gay is better than our current lineup and the matador front court of Ryan Anderson and Chris Bosh. Durant, Batum, Anderson, any other flavor of the month free agent, they're not walking through that door. We better sign Whiteside and ride this thing out.

[Bishop45]

I wouldn't trust Bosh at the 5 without a defensive anchor at the 4 and I can barely fathom the idea of selling our trunk for Ryan Anderson in the first place

[Bourne85]

Rudy Gay is an Ok player, but not sure how fits with our long term plans.

Dragon
Wade
Gay
Bosh
Whiteside



Dragon
Wade
Batum
Ryan Anderson
Bosh

Offensively, that's a very very good team IMO. Very good overall shooting, good playing making from 3 guys, good versatility.
.

This team would be so poor defensively its laughable. The best option for this team has always been to maximize the current core. That means signing Whiteside to whatever dollar amount, develop his post game. Develop the younger players on the team. Deal Deng/McRoberts/Birdman for what you can. Again I don't understand the fascination with Nick Batum on this board, he shoots the same 3 point % as Deng and is going to demand a lot of $$. Of the 3 Gay is probably the best fit. That first lineup with Gay is better than our current lineup and the matador front court of Ryan Anderson and Chris Bosh. Durant, Batum, Anderson, any other flavor of the month free agent, they're not walking through that door. We better sign Whiteside and ride this thing out.

Thank you. What a terrible lineup. Some of these guys would allow a lay up drill at our rim just to satisfy their lil 3 point shooting fantasy. And having Batum which isn't a good 3point shooter and Ryan freaking Anderson doesn't put you in position to beat Curry and the Warriors or Spurs or OKC or even Cavs.

Doesn't matter, Riley wouldn't be that dumb.

You want 3 point shooting? Wait til our SHOOTING GUARD that can't shoot for sh*t retires.

And 2, let Dang walk and sign a better shooting SF.

You don't sacrifice a top 3 C for a one dimensional player like Anderson. Or a mediocre shooter like Batum. Whiteside does his job as a C and does it damn well. He blocks shots he rebounds and he shoots over 60%. It's our SG that can't do his job (Shoot) and our SF that can't shoot for crap. Those are our problems not Hassan.

Just sit back an let Riley work.

[eddieheatfan]

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its clear to see that wade's best days are behind him and it does not help him one iota the diva attitude that he shows sometimes.if it were me, i would package him on a multi-player trade with some sucker team in order to get more athletic players that are here to play not to make fashion statements shm!