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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#141 » by TheSecretWeapon » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:27 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Willman has been an above average, if not great, NBA coach here. He has done the most important thing a coach does which is to get the team to buy in to playing team defense and not break down into individual stat padding. Grunfeld has been a considerably below average NBA GM in his tenure here. He has failed in the most importatn thing a GM does which is to maximize his draft choices and cap space to bring in talent to fit his system; he got Wall/Beal/Porter with top 3 choices but below that has been consistently poor and has squandered decent draft position (Randy Foye, Vesely, etc.) many times while doing a reasonably poor job at cap management (until this year where I give him props for NOT giving many contracts beyond this year to mediocre talent).

The person that needs to go isn't Wittman, it's Grunfeld. While the new GM will most likely bring in their own coaching choice and it may be better than Randy, I don't think Wittman has done a poor job with the talent he has had, at least until this year which has been admittedly underwhelming.

I don't see how Wittman could be considered an "above average" (or great) coach for the Wizards. In my view, he's toward the bottom of the "just guys" group. I agree with the pluses you noted; but that's counter-balanced with the antiquated offense he ran, the bad habits in shot selection he encouraged from young players, and misguided emphasis on "pace" in the attempt to imitate what the Warriors do (which is another problem because, of course, the Wizards don't have that kind of personnel).

Wittman isn't a problem exactly, but he's not a solution either. Grunfeld and the front office is The Problem. Realistically, replacing Grunfeld also means replacing Wittman since the new GM will almost certainly want to pick the coach.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#142 » by TheSecretWeapon » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:28 pm

gambitx777 wrote:How does Wittman keep his job and a guy like Blatt losses his

One thing Wittman has done better than Blatt: maintain a positive relationship with his star. Blatt's tenure with Cleveland was doomed to this kind of end the moment he failed to quickly win over Lebron.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#143 » by gambitx777 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:35 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:How does Wittman keep his job and a guy like Blatt losses his

One thing Wittman has done better than Blatt: maintain a positive relationship with his star. Blatt's tenure with Cleveland was doomed to this kind of end the moment he failed to quickly win over Lebron.

I don't think he failed to win over LeBron , I think Lebron never gave him a real chance. They say LeBron was not consulted, BULL ****. Plus there is a big difference in Wall and LeBron. I don't think Wall wants to run everything, he just wants to win. Plus does Randy realy have Wall on his side.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#144 » by TheSecretWeapon » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:40 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:How does Wittman keep his job and a guy like Blatt losses his

One thing Wittman has done better than Blatt: maintain a positive relationship with his star. Blatt's tenure with Cleveland was doomed to this kind of end the moment he failed to quickly win over Lebron.

I don't think he failed to win over LeBron , I think Lebron never gave him a real chance. They say LeBron was not consulted, BULL ****. Plus there is a big difference in Wall and LeBron. I don't think Wall wants to run everything, he just wants to win. Plus does Randy realy have Wall on his side.

We're saying the same thing, essentially. I agree with you that Lebron seemed predisposed to position himself in opposition to Blatt -- apparently because he preferred Mark Jackson -- and the opposition poisoned everything that happened with the team from that point. It may have been impossible for Blatt to win Lebron over. Either way, his effort to win Lebron over was a failure (perhaps through no fault of Blatt's), and it made his departure inevitable.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#145 » by Kanyewest » Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:39 pm

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penbeast0 wrote:Willman has been an above average, if not great, NBA coach here. He has done the most important thing a coach does which is to get the team to buy in to playing team defense and not break down into individual stat padding. Grunfeld has been a considerably below average NBA GM in his tenure here. He has failed in the most importatn thing a GM does which is to maximize his draft choices and cap space to bring in talent to fit his system; he got Wall/Beal/Porter with top 3 choices but below that has been consistently poor and has squandered decent draft position (Randy Foye, Vesely, etc.) many times while doing a reasonably poor job at cap management (until this year where I give him props for NOT giving many contracts beyond this year to mediocre talent).

The person that needs to go isn't Wittman, it's Grunfeld. While the new GM will most likely bring in their own coaching choice and it may be better than Randy, I don't think Wittman has done a poor job with the talent he has had, at least until this year which has been admittedly underwhelming.

I don't see how Wittman could be considered an "above average" (or great) coach for the Wizards. In my view, he's toward the bottom of the "just guys" group. I agree with the pluses you noted; but that's counter-balanced with the antiquated offense he ran, the bad habits in shot selection he encouraged from young players, and misguided emphasis on "pace" in the attempt to imitate what the Warriors do (which is another problem because, of course, the Wizards don't have that kind of personnel).

Wittman isn't a problem exactly, but he's not a solution either. Grunfeld and the front office is The Problem. Realistically, replacing Grunfeld also means replacing Wittman since the new GM will almost certainly want to pick the coach.


I agree that the problem is roster construction. Not really sure what Wittman could do about it other than get Wall/Beal/Gortat more in shape to start the season. The mid-range offense exists but at least the Wizards are taking more 3s including Wall. I guess Wittman still plays guys too much and doesn't have deep rotations but it could be due to injuries. I would be curious what you would do differently if you are a head coach because this roster has limitations because of its makeup more than anything. The ball movement has been pretty good, the Wizards 3 point attempts are trending upwards but its defense is suffering significantly. There is still a lot of isolation offense with Wall and Beal at times, but I wonder how much power Wittman really has to tell them to stop taking bad shots or he could get fired as well.


We agree that EG is the problem and most likely EG is the one who should be packing his bags first. Wittman may ultimately have to go if a more qualified GM is ever hired.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#146 » by montestewart » Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:21 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Willman has been an above average, if not great, NBA coach here. He has done the most important thing a coach does which is to get the team to buy in to playing team defense and not break down into individual stat padding. Grunfeld has been a considerably below average NBA GM in his tenure here. He has failed in the most importatn thing a GM does which is to maximize his draft choices and cap space to bring in talent to fit his system; he got Wall/Beal/Porter with top 3 choices but below that has been consistently poor and has squandered decent draft position (Randy Foye, Vesely, etc.) many times while doing a reasonably poor job at cap management (until this year where I give him props for NOT giving many contracts beyond this year to mediocre talent).

The person that needs to go isn't Wittman, it's Grunfeld. While the new GM will most likely bring in their own coaching choice and it may be better than Randy, I don't think Wittman has done a poor job with the talent he has had, at least until this year which has been admittedly underwhelming.

I don't see Wittman as a anything special (he did get the defense running pretty well) but the emphasis on Wittman as the problem is itself a big problem. Ownership and upper management love to deflect toward middle management, Dilbert-style, as if they didn't hire them and tell them what to do. I want a better coach, but I don't see this owner/GM combo pulling that off. Somehow, Leonsis has to both decide to replace the GM and get lucky enough to get a good replacement. And then stand back, shut up, and tally his double bottom line. A good GM will solve the rest.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#147 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:53 am

penbeast0 wrote:Willman has been an above average, if not great, NBA coach here. He has done the most important thing a coach does which is to get the team to buy in to playing team defense and not break down into individual stat padding. Grunfeld has been a considerably below average NBA GM in his tenure here. He has failed in the most importatn thing a GM does which is to maximize his draft choices and cap space to bring in talent to fit his system; he got Wall/Beal/Porter with top 3 choices but below that has been consistently poor and has squandered decent draft position (Randy Foye, Vesely, etc.) many times while doing a reasonably poor job at cap management (until this year where I give him props for NOT giving many contracts beyond this year to mediocre talent).

The person that needs to go isn't Wittman, it's Grunfeld. While the new GM will most likely bring in their own coaching choice and it may be better than Randy, I don't think Wittman has done a poor job with the talent he has had, at least until this year which has been admittedly underwhelming.



The Wizards underachieved last season as well. They turn it up in the playoffs and then people forget the stretches of woefulness during the regular season. I knew many of the young teams who have been underwhelming seasons past would surpass the Wizards this season. It's happened. A lot of people get caught up in the playoff runs and fail to realize that under Wittman the team isn't the best that it could be given the young talent and veteran presence on the roster.

Wittman needs to go and so does Grunfeld. Nothing has changed this fact.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#148 » by payitforward » Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:09 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:The Wizards underachieved last season as well. ...under Wittman the team isn't the best that it could be given the young talent and veteran presence on the roster....

I'm not a fan of Wittman's, and I'm *certainly* not a fan of Ernie Grunfeld! But I don't see how you can think we under-achieved last year, or that we're under-achieving this year. What's your test case? As far as I can tell, it's your imagination -- i.e. what you imagine might happen.

We went 46-36 last year. Mostly because our early season was powered by an off the charts productive 20 minutes a game from Rasual Butler. Since he faded, we've been a .500 team. And that's over a long stretch.

Our "young talent" consists of Wall, Beal and Porter. And this year a 19-20 year old rookie. Our "veteran presence" consists of Gortat and Nene (who is having a terrific season this year but has only managed to play 20 games and less than 18 minutes). Sessions and Dudley have been good as well.

The rest of the team is journeymen, non-performers or non-players.

That's about an average team as far as I can see. It's not as good a roster as e.g. Boston and not nearly as good as e.g. Toronto. We could have a better coach, sure. But I don't see a whole bunch of extra wins coming from a coaching change.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#149 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:53 pm

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AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:The Wizards underachieved last season as well. ...under Wittman the team isn't the best that it could be given the young talent and veteran presence on the roster....

I'm not a fan of Wittman's, and I'm *certainly* not a fan of Ernie Grunfeld! But I don't see how you can think we under-achieved last year, or that we're under-achieving this year. What's your test case? As far as I can tell, it's your imagination -- i.e. what you imagine might happen.

We went 46-36 last year. Mostly because our early season was powered by an off the charts productive 20 minutes a game from Rasual Butler. Since he faded, we've been a .500 team. And that's over a long stretch.

Our "young talent" consists of Wall, Beal and Porter. And this year a 19-20 year old rookie. Our "veteran presence" consists of Gortat and Nene (who is having a terrific season this year but has only managed to play 20 games and less than 18 minutes). Sessions and Dudley have been good as well.

The rest of the team is journeymen, non-performers or non-players.

That's about an average team as far as I can see. It's not as good a roster as e.g. Boston and not nearly as good as e.g. Toronto. We could have a better coach, sure. But I don't see a whole bunch of extra wins coming from a coaching change.


Get a better coach in place and then it should become very clear just how much the Wizards have underachieved under Wittman.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#150 » by keynote » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:10 am

The Wizards put up another stinker against the Cs tonight. They rolled over and gave up. I don't see Ted/EG reacting to this, but this is the kind of loss that can get a coach fired.
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Post#151 » by Dark Faze » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:12 am

mehhhhhhhhh

couldn't care less about coach--it's GM go time
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#152 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:52 am

Wittman looked completely flummoxed tonight. He had no answers and didn't even seem to have any fight in him.

You think he was embarrassed about the Crowder incident? Just plain out of ideas?
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Post#153 » by TheSecretWeapon » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:38 am

By the way, there's no way I'd let Grunfeld pick another coach. If I was in Leonsis' spot and Grunfeld came in wanting to fire Wittman, I'd tell him I welcome the idea, but that he'd be going too. Then I'd just go with interim coach and interim GMi while I did a full-scale GM search.
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Post#154 » by keynote » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:52 am

In other news: a day after losing in the AFC Conference game, New England fired their offensive line coach. In every organization, substandard results get you fired. But different organizations have different standards.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#155 » by montestewart » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:22 am

keynote wrote:In other news: a day after losing in the AFC Conference game, New England fired their offensive line coach. In every organization, substandard results get you fired. But different organizations have different standards.

EG doesn't show up to work naked, fart in Leonsis' face, or tweet dick pics.* So that must be the line in the Wizards organization.

*Anyone possessing contrary information on these should start a new EG thread, Can't have too many of them, eh?
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Post#156 » by Dark Faze » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:39 pm

wittman has tried everything to be honest--small ball, long ball, oubre in the starting lineup, hump starting, dudley at the 4...

roster is just bootycheeks

this is all on ernie--shame on ted if he lets ernie spin it any other way
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#157 » by Kanyewest » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:56 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:By the way, there's no way I'd let Grunfeld pick another coach. If I was in Leonsis' spot and Grunfeld came in wanting to fire Wittman, I'd tell him I welcome the idea, but that he'd be going too. Then I'd just go with interim coach and interim GMi while I did a full-scale GM search.


If you were Leonsis wouldn't you fire Grunfeld anyways??? :D
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#158 » by TheSecretWeapon » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:39 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:By the way, there's no way I'd let Grunfeld pick another coach. If I was in Leonsis' spot and Grunfeld came in wanting to fire Wittman, I'd tell him I welcome the idea, but that he'd be going too. Then I'd just go with interim coach and interim GMi while I did a full-scale GM search.


If you were Leonsis wouldn't you fire Grunfeld anyways??? :D

I'd have fired him long ago. Even if I'd kept him around, I wouldn't have permitted him to make the Gortat trade AND keep his job. He built a team that was obviously lacking in frontcourt depth behind two 30+ year old bigs with injury histories. That trade was as much to salvage Grunfeld's job as it was to save the season and a playoffs run.

But, I'd have fired him before that. I'd have let him go the day I took ownership of the team. By then it was clear Grunfeld was a crummy GM.
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Re: Countdown to Don Newman Being Named Interim Head Coach 

Post#159 » by gravytrain24 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:20 am

What is everyone's take on Thibs coming to DC. Also, if you really want to make the KD push, Scotty Brooks?
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Post#160 » by pcbothwel » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:06 pm

I'd be fine with it, but I want Tommy Shepherd or Troy Weaver making that decision.

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