2015-16 English Premier League Discussion Thread

DD12 · Post #1661 » by **DD12** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 8:35 pm

cgf wrote:You guys remember that the infallible Jupp didn't win **** in his first 2 seasons with that Bayern superteam...right?

doesn't seem you can google properly.

Jupp won the treble on his second year. His team played in the finals for 2 years which he won one of them.

Post #1662 » by **Cactus Jack** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 9:01 pm

Vardy OMG

Post #1663 » by **Baphomet** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 9:05 pm

Vardy with the golazo!!!

Post #1664 » by **Cactus Jack** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 9:11 pm

Benteke. Such a god awful signing.

Post #1665 » by **Cactus Jack** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 9:12 pm

Unreal. It's the Vardy show.

Post #1666 » by **ATL Boy** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 9:25 pm

Leicester are on top of the world right now.

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Post #1667 » by **magik9113** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 9:43 pm

Damn I missed all the games today but am happy to see LC and Tottenham won.

Arsenal back to 4th where they perpetually belong. Too bad city didn't drop pts as well

DD12 · Post #1668 » by **DD12** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 9:43 pm

Arsenal's fourth trophy on its way again. If i am not mistaken, the team hasn't won a single game since new year.

Every January, this Arsenal is different, we are the champions, we will finish at the top quotes all over by Arsenal fans.

Result in May always same though. Unreal choking by Arsene Wenger and here is fourth trophy again lmaooooo

Post #1669 » by **Baphomet** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 9:48 pm

Another good away win for Spurs. Worth mentioning how well United played tonight, Martial's goal was a beauty.

Post #1670 » by **Cactus Jack** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 9:49 pm

Palace with so many chances.

No_20 · Post #1671 » by **No_20** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 9:55 pm

In the next 2 weeks we'll have:

ManCity - Leicester
Arsenal - Leicester
ManCity - Spurs

We'll know more after those games.

cgf · Post #1672 » by **cgf** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 11:18 pm

Baphomet wrote:Alli is a beast!

This is how I would answer any questions asking about the future of English football if I worked for the FA. :lol:

The kid's looking like a real stud and the NT must be praying that he and Kane stay together with Tottenham for the next few years at least.

Foye wrote:
cgf wrote:You guys remember that the infallible Jupp didn't win **** in his first 2 seasons with that Bayern superteam...right?

He won the treble in his second season at Bayern?

Those are two completely different scenarios btw. Guardiola took a team that was already winning it all and was given buttloads of money to develop the team according to his wishes. But they never reached the UCL final again and they won't this season either.

Heynckes meanwhile transformed a 3rd place van Gaal team to a team that won everything within two seasons and appeared in the UCL final twice.

I thought it was the third, but they still didn't win **** in his first season; despite not having to face Barca in the CL, adding Neuer/Boateng to that 3rd place LvG side, getting alaba back from loan, and having Kroos (whom he had coached at Leverkusen) return in the previous window. Most coaches need time to settle in with a squad before they can get the most out of them; and this was as true of Pep as it was St. Jupp. Guardiola took a team coming off a peak season in which Robben and Ribery were healthy all year and the players were driven by the not-treble of the previous campaign...and made them more dominant in the league; before losing in the CL to a Real side that was stronger than any team Jupp faced and Ribery's career falling into an injury-riddled-morass.

In the next year, despite being outgunned by a Barca side that was even stronger than La Decima winning Real, he faced them with the kind of courage we rarely see from managers of top clubs and had Barca off kilter enough in the second leg where another Bayern goal earlier in the second half would've cause them to panic for the final stretch of the tie. That tie is what made me re-consider my position on Pep and cast his experimentation/ingenuity in a new light. Trying to use it as a negative requires the kind of gross neglect for context that No_20 and Massi specialize in.

Pep oversaw a team come off of a career season, in which their primarily rival was hobbled by injury (messi), watched his rivals bolster their squads significantly in the coming seasons, and, just like Jupp, only lost to the CL-winners. But at this point I have to doubt it would change some of your minds even if he wins this CL and had pulled off the upset against Barca last year.

DD12 · Post #1673 » by **DD12** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 11:41 pm

So what are you mumbling in your mouth?
His Bayern career was a success?

Post #1674 » by **Baphomet** » Wed Feb 3, 2016 4:03 pm

cgf wrote:This is how I would answer any questions asking about the future of English football if I worked for the FA. The kid's looking like a real stud and the NT must be praying that he and Kane stay together with Tottenham for the next few years at least.

He's a remarkably intelligent footballer for his age. Of course, it helps to have a long frame and good technical ability, but he makes great runs and has connected really well with Alderweireld's searching diagonal crosses out of defence, timing his runs perfectly and having the adequate technique to finish. He's linked up excellently with Eriksen and Kane as well. Smart technicians like Alli have been very sparse among England's youth, we mostly get athletes with no footballing brain. He's been involved in 10 of our last 13 goals, with 6 goals and 4 assists. My only concern is that he's very skinny and every time an opposing player goes in for a heavy challenge, I wince that his gangly legs will buckle.

It's actually astonishing how much of the current England crop Pochettino has been responsible for unearthing. 10 of the last 18 England debutants have come from his Southampton and Spurs setups. It's been bleak as an Englishman in the international phase for quite some time now, but I'm growing to like the new crop and have some hope (and no it's not just because many of them are Spurs players

). Poch has improved every facet of this Tottenham setup from the coaching staff to the on-pitch product.

DD12 · Post #1675 » by **DD12** » Wed Feb 3, 2016 5:35 pm

Lmaoooooo. Everyone is on their usual spot. Fourth trophy is coming for you Arsenal lmaoooo

Post #1676 » by **Baphomet** » Wed Feb 3, 2016 7:50 pm

I just hope Spurs can keep the pressure up. We were in a similar situation at the end of January in 2012 and we completely choked.

Arsenal will be okay. They don't look good at the moment, but always find the guts to go on a run and finish well, cementing a CL place. This may or may not be an attempt at a reverse jinx.

DD12 · Post #1677 » by **DD12** » Wed Feb 3, 2016 7:57 pm

finish well? did you just happen to say Arsenal finish well? lmao

Post #1678 » by **Baphomet** » Wed Feb 3, 2016 8:10 pm

DD12 wrote:finish well? did you just happen to say Arsenal finish well? lmao

I know it sounds crazy, but it's true.

They always go on a run at the end of the season, no matter how poorly they've played up until then. The only exception I can remember is the season where they were clear at the top of the table around Christmas and flopped, a few years ago. Under Wenger they've never failed to qualify for the CL. It depends on how you quantify success. Should they have won the league in some of those seasons? Absolutely. They have choked a few times.

But qualifying for the CL for two decades in a row, sometimes from an unfavourable position, is pretty impressive, even as someone who hates Arsenal.

DD12 · Post #1679 » by **DD12** » Wed Feb 3, 2016 8:12 pm

As a Tottenham fan, for sure is very impressive. If you were a Manchester United or Chelsea or Man City fan, I don't think you would call it impressive.

Post #1680 » by **Baphomet** » Wed Feb 3, 2016 8:27 pm

DD12 wrote:As a Tottenham fan, for sure is very impressive. If you were a Manchester United or Chelsea or Man City fan, I don't think you would call it impressive.

That's not an indictment on Tottenham. There's many Premier League teams that would like to qualify for the CL season-in-season-out. I'm sure Liverpool would be grateful to make the CL again, too, after 2014's failure. Times change. United have missed the CL recently, Chelsea will most likely miss it this season and City were irrelevant until 2008 and have always laid eggs in Europe.