Hawks Trade Scenarios For Jeff Teague

[bdpecore]

I think maybe you guys are misunderstanding King Ken(correct me if I'm wrong).

You are saying that Teague for Oladipo OR Gordon would be a good trade... Not Teague for Oladipo AND Gordon... right?

Right?

Both. Yes, it is an overpay. I agree with that as well. But getting an all star true PG will cost you an overpay.

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You keep referring to Teague as an all-star level player. He only has one all-star appearance which many would consider was during his career year. He has not put up similar numbers since then while the league continues to be flooded with young and better PGs. You cannot put Teague in the same class as players like Paul, Lillard, Rose, Wall, Irving and Curry who consistently produce at an all-star level.He just simply does not hold this type of value.

[jayu70]

By setting the price for Teague sky high we are setting our selves up for a catastrophic failure. The result will be Teague on a max or Teague walking.

NO that's what they are supposed to do. You set the price high and then negotiate to what makes you comfortable.
It's like selling a used car, you never set the price at what you are willing to accept because the buyer will always want it for less.
You set the price higher knowing they will offer you less. Then the negotiations begin.

[jayu70]

I think maybe you guys are misunderstanding King Ken(correct me if I'm wrong).

You are saying that Teague for Oladipo OR Gordon would be a good trade... Not Teague for Oladipo AND Gordon... right?

Right?

Both. Yes, it is an overpay. I agree with that as well. But getting an all star true PG will cost you an overpay.

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You keep referring to Teague as an all-star level player. He only has one all-star appearance which many would consider was during his career year. He has not put up similar numbers since then while the league continues to be flooded with young and better PGs. You cannot put Teague in the same class as players like Paul, Lillard, Rose, Wall, Irving and Curry who consistently produce at an all-star level.He just simply does not hold this type of value.

That is true but none of those guys are available. Teague's value will be determined by who the free agent PG's will be this offseason and what's available in the draft for those teams who a desperate to make the playoffs.

[Jamaaliver]

...Teague's value will be determined by who the free agent PG's will be this offseason and what's available in the draft for those teams who a desperate to make the playoffs.

Teague's value will also be determined by what other PGs are available in trade. The league is flush with above average PGs.

The best selling point we had regarding a Teague trade was 1) multiple years on a 2) value contract 3) coming off the best stretch of his career.

Every one of those selling points is lessened. Whoever trades for Teague now will have to decide in a single year if the player is worthy of a massive increase in pay as he enters his 30s.

That's a huge stumbling block for other teams...

And if a team decides he is worth that huge contract, they could simply wait a year and acquire him for no cost.

*This is why you don't wait until the last minute to trade a player. You do it at his peak value...or commit to keeping him around.

[jayu70]

...Teague's value will be determined by who the free agent PG's will be this offseason and what's available in the draft for those teams who a desperate to make the playoffs.

And, also, for what other PGs are available in trade.

The league is flush with above average PGs. The best selling point we had regarding a Teague trade was 1) multiple years on a 2) value contract 3) coming off the best stretch of his career.

Every one of those selling points is lessened. Whoever trades for Teague now will have to decide in a single year if the player is worthy of a massive increase in pay as he enters his 30s.

That's a huge stumbling block for other teams...

what other starting PGs that are comparable to Teague are available in trade that you've heard about? Jennings? but he's not starting right now. George Hill? MCW - not on same level. If they are trading for Teague they will more than likely see him as their future at PG for the next 4 years.

[jayu70]

The List of 2017 Free Agent point guards is massive headlined by Curry, Westbrook, Paul, Lowry etc.
Teams wanting an inside track knowing that certain guys won't be available to them - that's who needs Teague so they can have his Bird Rights.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2017-free-agent-pool-loaded-with-star-pgs-nba-point-guards/

[Jamaaliver]

what other starting PGs that are comparable to Teague are available in trade that you've heard about? Jennings? but he's not starting right now. George Hill? MCW - not on same level. If they are trading for Teague they will more than likely see him as their future at PG for the next 4 years.

There are literally dozens of other options out there.

Would you rather swap a franchise caliber young stud for Teague...

Or give up a future 2nd rounder for George Hill?

Or pursue Rondo in free Agency?

Or pursue Lowry in Free Agency?

Or pursue Mike Conley in Free Agency

Or pursue Russ Westbrook in Free Agency?

Or make a trade offer for Rubio?

Or make a trade offer for Jordan Clarkson?

Or pursue Dennis Schroeder in Restricted Free Agency?

Or pursue a trade for Trey Burke?

Or pursue a trade for Cory Joseph?

Or pursue a trade for Patty Mills?

Or pursue Deron Wiiliams in Free Agency?

Or pursue a trade for Goran Dragic? (Who clearly isn't a great fit yet in Miami)

Or pursue Eric Gordon in trade?

Or pursue Eric Bledsoe in trade?

Or pursue Tyreke Evans in trade?

Or pursue CJ McCollum in trade?

Or pursue Jrue Holliday in trade?

[King Ken]

what other starting PGs that are comparable to Teague are available in trade that you've heard about? Jennings? but he's not starting right now. George Hill? MCW - not on same level. If they are trading for Teague they will more than likely see him as their future at PG for the next 4 years.

There are literally dozens of other options out there.

Would you rather swap a franchise caliber young stud for Teague...

Or give up a future 2nd rounder for George Hill?

Or pursue Rondo in free Agency?

Or pursue Lowry in Free Agency?

Or pursue Mike Conley in Free Agency

Or pursue Russ Westbrook in Free Agency?

Or make a trade offer for Rubio?

Or make a trade offer for Jordan Clarkson?

Or pursue Dennis Schroeder in Restricted Free Agency?

Or pursue a trade for Trey Burke?

Or pursue a trade for Cory Joseph?

Or pursue a trade for Patty Mills?

Or pursue Deron Wiiliams in Free Agency?

Or pursue a trade for Goran Dragic? (Who clearly isn't a great fit yet in Miami)

Or pursue Eric Gordon in trade?

Or pursue Eric Bledsoe in trade?

Or pursue Tyreke Evans in trade?

Or pursue CJ McCollum in trade?

Or pursue Jrue Holliday in trade?

Most of those names are either unattractive to teams who need PG's, not available or going to be extremely expensive and not available.

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[jayu70]

what other starting PGs that are comparable to Teague are available in trade that you've heard about? Jennings? but he's not starting right now. George Hill? MCW - not on same level. If they are trading for Teague they will more than likely see him as their future at PG for the next 4 years.

There are literally dozens of other options out there.

Would you rather swap a franchise caliber young stud for Teague...

Or give up a future 2nd rounder for George Hill?

Or pursue Rondo in free Agency?

Or pursue Lowry in Free Agency?

Or pursue Mike Conley in Free Agency

Or pursue Russ Westbrook in Free Agency?

Or make a trade offer for Rubio?

Or make a trade offer for Jordan Clarkson?

Or pursue Dennis Schroeder in Restricted Free Agency?

Or pursue a trade for Trey Burke?

Or pursue a trade for Cory Joseph?

Or pursue a trade for Patty Mills?

Or pursue Deron Wiiliams in Free Agency?

Or pursue a trade for Goran Dragic? (Who clearly isn't a great fit yet in Miami)

Or pursue Eric Gordon in trade?

Or pursue Eric Bledsoe in trade?

Or pursue Tyreke Evans in trade?

Or pursue CJ McCollum in trade?

Or pursue Jrue Holliday in trade?

Like I said certain teams have no shot at certain players.
Bledsoe, Evans, Gordon, Holliday - Injury concerns.
Goran Dragic is 29 and on a HUGE deal, some guys are not available.
Jordan Clarkson has no Bird Rights.
You don't think SAS will want just as much and more for Patty Mills? Same with Cory Joseph in Toronto.
Certain players are not involved in ANY trade discussions and it's not like the teams won't be giving up something to get any of the players you listed in trade for.

[dms269]

By setting the price for Teague sky high we are setting our selves up for a catastrophic failure. The result will be Teague on a max or Teague walking.

NO that's what they are supposed to do. You set the price high and then negotiate to what makes you comfortable.
It's like selling a used car, you never set the price at what you are willing to accept because the buyer will always want it for less.
You set the price higher knowing they will offer you less. Then the negotiations begin.

If the price is set too high you also run the risk of not letting them even counter with the offer.

I don't think that Teague's value will be set with those who are available via free agency. Yes some might be willing to offer if they really need a pg, but how many teams out need a new pg?

[Jamaaliver]

Like I said certain teams have no shot at certain players.
Bledsoe, Evans, Gordon, Holliday - Injury concerns.
Goran Dragic is 29 and on a HUGE deal, some guys are not available.
Jordan Clarkson has no Bird Rights.
You don't think SAS will want just as much and more for Patty Mills? Same with Cory Joseph in Toronto.
Certain players are not involved in ANY trade discussions and it's not like the teams won't be giving up something to get any of the players you listed in trade for.

My larger point was that we no longer hold much leverage. The product we're peddling isn't much better than what the rest of the market offers.

If we insist on asking for too much...ORL simply laughs and moves on to the next GM on their call list.

The NBA trade market is finite (only 29 buyers/sellers)...but it's also open and transparent. Magic GM can offer Oladipo to TOR & use our trade offer to gain leverage and get a more competitive deal.

Why would they overpay for a player in a down year when there are a plethora of other options?

We wouldn't do it...so why would they?

[jayu70]

Like I said certain teams have no shot at certain players.
Bledsoe, Evans, Gordon, Holliday - Injury concerns.
Goran Dragic is 29 and on a HUGE deal, some guys are not available.
Jordan Clarkson has no Bird Rights.
You don't think SAS will want just as much and more for Patty Mills? Same with Cory Joseph in Toronto.
Certain players are not involved in ANY trade discussions and it's not like the teams won't be giving up something to get any of the players you listed in trade for.

My larger point was that we no longer hold much leverage. The product we're peddling isn't much better than what the rest of the market offers.

If we insist on asking for too much...ORL simply laughs and moves on to the next GM on their call list.

The NBA trade market is finite (only 29 buyers/sellers)...but it's also open and transparent. Magic GM can offer Oladipo to TOR & use our trade offer to gain leverage and get a more competitive deal.

Why would they overpay for a player in a down year when there are a plethora of other options?

We wouldn't do it...so why would they?

Like I said previously you set the value higher than what you are willing to accept and negotiate from there. You never want to start on the low end. The trade deadline is on the 18th.
You haven't listed other viable options in Teague's category, salary, age, contract and available in trade etc. - You gave me a list of names that aren't currently available. I was looking for a list of players (PGs) that are rumored to be on the trade block.

[jayu70]

By setting the price for Teague sky high we are setting our selves up for a catastrophic failure. The result will be Teague on a max or Teague walking.

NO that's what they are supposed to do. You set the price high and then negotiate to what makes you comfortable.
It's like selling a used car, you never set the price at what you are willing to accept because the buyer will always want it for less.
You set the price higher knowing they will offer you less. Then the negotiations begin.

If the price is set too high you also run the risk of not letting them even counter with the offer.

I don't think that Teague's value will be set with those who are available via free agency. Yes some might be willing to offer if they really need a pg, but how many teams out need a new pg?

c'mon, do you really think that there aren't negotiations to offers? especially of several teams are interested in you player.
These are the teams in need of PG:
Knicks, Bucks, Jazz, Magic, Sixers, Rockets, Wolves (rumor about Rubio ready to leave), apparently Indy, Nyets.

[Jamaaliver]

You haven't listed other viable options in Teague's category, salary, age, contract and available in trade etc. - You gave me a list of names that aren't currently available. I was looking for a list of players (PGs) that are rumored to be on the trade block.

Seriously?

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[Jamaaliver]

You haven't listed other viable options in Teague's category, salary, age, contract and available in trade etc. - You gave me a list of names that aren't currently available. I was looking for a list of players (PGs) that are rumored to be on the trade block.

Before the injury, sources say the Pelicans were exploring trade offers for [Eric] Gordon. There is still a chance the Pelicans could look to trade Gordon before the Feb. 18 deadline if they can find a willing team. Gordon was the only Pelicans' player to start 40 of the first 41 games before getting injured.

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[Jamaaliver]

You haven't listed other viable options in Teague's category, salary, age, contract and available in trade etc. - You gave me a list of names that aren't currently available. I was looking for a list of players (PGs) that are rumored to be on the trade block.

Seriously?

Before the injury, sources say the Pelicans were exploring trade offers for [Eric] Gordon. There is still a chance the Pelicans could look to trade Gordon before the Feb. 18 deadline if they can find a willing team. Gordon was the only Pelicans' player to start 40 of the first 41 games before getting injured.

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[jayu70]

You haven't listed other viable options in Teague's category, salary, age, contract and available in trade etc. - You gave me a list of names that aren't currently available. I was looking for a list of players (PGs) that are rumored to be on the trade block.

Seriously?

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He's also out with season ending knee surgery and is consistently injured.

[jayu70]

You haven't listed other viable options in Teague's category, salary, age, contract and available in trade etc. - You gave me a list of names that aren't currently available. I was looking for a list of players (PGs) that are rumored to be on the trade block.

Seriously?

Before the injury, sources say the Pelicans were exploring trade offers for [Eric] Gordon. There is still a chance the Pelicans could look to trade Gordon before the Feb. 18 deadline if they can find a willing team. Gordon was the only Pelicans' player to start 40 of the first 41 games before getting injured.

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Gordon is not a PG he is a SG and is on an expiring contract.

[bdpecore]

Like I said certain teams have no shot at certain players.
Bledsoe, Evans, Gordon, Holliday - Injury concerns.
Goran Dragic is 29 and on a HUGE deal, some guys are not available.
Jordan Clarkson has no Bird Rights.
You don't think SAS will want just as much and more for Patty Mills? Same with Cory Joseph in Toronto.
Certain players are not involved in ANY trade discussions and it's not like the teams won't be giving up something to get any of the players you listed in trade for.

My larger point was that we no longer hold much leverage. The product we're peddling isn't much better than what the rest of the market offers.

If we insist on asking for too much...ORL simply laughs and moves on to the next GM on their call list.

The NBA trade market is finite (only 29 buyers/sellers)...but it's also open and transparent. Magic GM can offer Oladipo to TOR & use our trade offer to gain leverage and get a more competitive deal.

Why would they overpay for a player in a down year when there are a plethora of other options?

We wouldn't do it...so why would they?

Like I said previously you set the value higher than what you are willing to accept and negotiate from there. You never want to start on the low end. The trade deadline is on the 18th.
You haven't listed other viable options in Teague's category, salary, age, contract and available in trade etc. - You gave me a list of names that aren't currently available. I was looking for a list of players (PGs) that are rumored to be on the trade block.

This is why Mannix said teams will simply wait until the 18th to make their offers. Either Atlanta will lower their asking price or these teams will just find another option to fill their needs. If Orlando called to inquire on Teague and Bud/Wes ask for Gordon and Dipo, Orlando just hangs up and starts calling on McCollum, Holiday, Hill, Rubio, Knight, MCW, Lawson, Russell, Smart, Canaan, Collison, Jennings, Nelson, Grant, Burke and Joseph. Maybe not all are an upgrade over Teague but they likely will not cost as much to acquire making it a net positive deal. It's not like the PG trade market is barren of talent and its either Teague or bust.

[Jamaaliver]

You haven't listed other viable options in Teague's category, salary, age, contract and available in trade etc. - You gave me a list of names that aren't currently available. I was looking for a list of players (PGs) that are rumored to be on the trade block.

Seriously?

Sources say the Indiana Pacers have made inquiries and have dangled guard George Hill as a possible swap.

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