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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#601 » by blind prophet » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:04 am

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blind prophet wrote:No upside?

He shot 40% from 3 one year, sure his averages are historically around 33-34%, but you get up past 35% or so what else would you want from a defensive guy?


My point was he's more or less a finished product. Which, don't get me wrong, is a solid rotation piece. He's just not likely to improve from what he is.

I just don't think we're in a position where we only need role players. In other words, if we're going to actually have any sort of success we need McLemore to become a lot better than Shumpert. McLemore shows signs of flashes of being way better than anything Shumpert can hope to produce. I just don't think its a smart move.

Plus you get into salary cap issues and the fact that I doubt the Cavs would want to do this trade. They want to add wings not swap wings.


Oh me may not be acquirable, unless Mozgov is moved and gets them a cheaper defensive SG too.

I disagree with the no need for role players.

They way I look at it, WCS balances the defense. We've got Rudy, Rondo, and Cousins as the "stars". All Shump would have to do is bump the 3% to over 35 or so.
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Re: RE: Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#602 » by Kings2013 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:25 am

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City of Trees wrote:Vlade should be calling the Rockets right meow! I'd target Beverley.

Ariza, Capela, and McDaniels are nice too.

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In exchange for which player(s)?

The Rockets aren't blowing it up. Anyone outside of Harden and Howard might be available, as team chemistry is toxic at best, but not for a downgrade.

(Now, if Howard gets dealt, all bets are off, but he'd only be traded if the yield were irresistible. Whatever that may be.)

Kings need perimeter defense and a PG that can stop the ball... I'd hold onto Cuz and WCS, so anyone outside of those two can be considered here.

*Edit* Casspi is unlikely here too but you're more than welcome to try.

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For me personally, I think last year's starting DC was a better all around player than Bev. More efficient, better playmaker, and although his D is scrub this year, last year was using his innate quickness to play some pressure D which helped us statistically to one of the best starting units prior to his injury

For that reason last summer I was not on the Rondo train, and in fact advocated for Bev or CoJo to back DC up

DC this year has been lackluster, and his D has been balls, but it might be hard to put forth that effort if you feel you've been done unjustly by having to be the back up

PG will be an interesting call this summer for our GM
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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#603 » by Wolfay » Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:29 am

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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#604 » by nolimit0820 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:49 am

Love the idea of trading for Covington and Grant. Assuming we're not blowing it up which I don't think we will... Guys I hope we hold on to are Cousins, Ben, Collison, WCS, Acy...outside of that everybody else can go

Rondo is not untouchable to me. I love what he brings in terms of leadership, IQ, and obviously as a facilitator. However, GK has a history of empowering his PGs. Honestly, DC and many other guards can put up career numbers with Karl considering how much freedom he gives
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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#605 » by Jkam31 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:03 am

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Doesn't make sense for either team. Cavs are win now - Shump is better for this playoff run. Kings need to retain players with upside - say what you want about McLemore but Shump has absolutely no upside.


Stop with the upside talk! Get Iman in here we need defenders and he's borderline elite. And since we know lebron runs Cleveland I'm sure that's why they have interest


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Shump's expensive, and Ben is cheap. Mozgov is on the outs, KK contract is fair.

They may consider moving Shump for cheaper salary, and if they don't want KK shipping him to a third team and the incentive back to Cleveland may work.

Or maybe they just want KK and we don't need a third team.

JR is also expiring. So they've got a lot of money invested in just Shump after that too.


Is the trade being talked about
KK/Ben for iman/Mosgov?
Cause I like it



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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#606 » by blind prophet » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:11 am

Jkam31 wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
Jkam31 wrote:
Stop with the upside talk! Get Iman in here we need defenders and he's borderline elite. And since we know lebron runs Cleveland I'm sure that's why they have interest


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Shump's expensive, and Ben is cheap. Mozgov is on the outs, KK contract is fair.

They may consider moving Shump for cheaper salary, and if they don't want KK shipping him to a third team and the incentive back to Cleveland may work.

Or maybe they just want KK and we don't need a third team.

JR is also expiring. So they've got a lot of money invested in just Shump after that too.


Is the trade being talked about
KK/Ben for iman/Mosgov?
Cause I like it



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Salary Ben/KK for Shump works.

But to include Mozgov we have to send them more or find a third team.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#607 » by Kings2013 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:45 pm

Per wiretap Kings make it clear Cousuns unavailable, which matches how I feel personally

He can be top 5 talent or is under right circumstances, the league is built on top end talent, and there is no telling when the organization, through draft or FA, will have the chance to have the most dominant big talent in the game

IMO he's not to blame for lack of effort and energy when he's playing in an impossible situation for him. With a coach whose lame duck, who he does not like, and who is not utilizing him appropriately. IMO the city should be worried about him requesting a trade due to all this, and disrespect from folks like Grant
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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#608 » by Jkam31 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:29 pm

I love Vlade
Celtic fans are shocked that nets pick Sullinger and rozier won't get the a all star

Kings2013 wrote:Per wiretap Kings make it clear Cousuns unavailable, which matches how I feel personally

He can be top 5 talent or is under right circumstances, the league is built on top end talent, and there is no telling when the organization, through draft or FA, will have the chance to have the most dominant big talent in the game

IMO he's not to blame for lack of effort and energy when he's playing in an impossible situation for him. With a coach whose lame duck, who he does not like, and who is not utilizing him appropriately. IMO the city should be worried about him requesting a trade due to all this, and disrespect from folks like Grant




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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#609 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:57 pm

Iman/Mozgov for Ben/KK is and interesting concept, but make no mistake, while it helps the team, the Kings are going to look stupid for a trading Ben Mac for that package if he gets a chance to produce.

Personally, I'd like to see a deal like that go down regardless. I think it helps Karl a ton if he sticks around.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#610 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:00 pm

blind prophet wrote:
Jkam31 wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
Shump's expensive, and Ben is cheap. Mozgov is on the outs, KK contract is fair.

They may consider moving Shump for cheaper salary, and if they don't want KK shipping him to a third team and the incentive back to Cleveland may work.

Or maybe they just want KK and we don't need a third team.

JR is also expiring. So they've got a lot of money invested in just Shump after that too.


Is the trade being talked about
KK/Ben for iman/Mosgov?
Cause I like it



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Salary Ben/KK for Shump works.

But to include Mozgov we have to send them more or find a third team.



No way. They get a bright young star level potential player in the right atmosphere and a more solid big (this year at least). Ben still has upside and Iman is a role player. In fact, I think they need to give the Kings a little more for developing Ben these last few seasons. He's close to a finished project skill wise. Ben's athletic ability with LeBron is a good match as well.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#611 » by OhioKingsFan » Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:16 am

Shump is not worth BMAC and Kosta. I'd pass and keep looking.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#612 » by blind prophet » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:32 am

OhioKingsFan wrote:Shump is not worth BMAC and Kosta. I'd pass and keep looking.


Yeah he makes a lot of money, so you've got to send around the same back.

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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#613 » by Kings2013 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:32 am

More a FA thing, but I guess it can tie into the deadline

Before I mentioned that I was on the fence with Rondo and leaned his way. Well, after rethinking his D, some of the advanced stats, and how good the unit was with Collison last year, and how Curry might be able to play, I think I'm more on the side of throwing that money previously earmarked to Rondo on a quality young wing and letting DC take the reigns

My mind isn't totally made up though and the last stretch is critical. Rondo show me something
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Re: RE: Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#614 » by SactoKingsFan » Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:22 am

Kings2013 wrote:More a FA thing, but I guess it can tie into the deadline

Before I mentioned that I was on the fence with Rondo and leaned his way. Well, after rethinking his D, some of the advanced stats, and how good the unit was with Collison last year, and how Curry might be able to play, I think I'm more on the side of throwing that money previously earmarked to Rondo on a quality young wing and letting DC take the reigns

My mind isn't totally made up though and the last stretch is critical. Rondo show me something

I'd be fine with letting Rondo walk and starting DC if we could sign a quality wing, but which free agent wings do the Kings actually have a decent shot at signing? Won't be in the mix for Beal or DeRozan and Barnes and Batum can sign with teams that aren't rebuilding and haven't been a PR disaster. We'll most likely have to settle for free agency leftovers.

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Post#615 » by Kings2013 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:33 am

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Kings2013 wrote:More a FA thing, but I guess it can tie into the deadline

Before I mentioned that I was on the fence with Rondo and leaned his way. Well, after rethinking his D, some of the advanced stats, and how good the unit was with Collison last year, and how Curry might be able to play, I think I'm more on the side of throwing that money previously earmarked to Rondo on a quality young wing and letting DC take the reigns

My mind isn't totally made up though and the last stretch is critical. Rondo show me something

I'd be fine with letting Rondo walk and starting DC if we could sign a quality wing, but which free agent wings do the Kings actually have a decent shot at signing? Won't be in the mix for Beal or DeRozan and Barnes and Batum can sign with teams that aren't rebuilding and haven't been a PR disaster. We'll most likely have to settle for free agency leftovers.

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Not a big time FA, I was thinking more like a Bazemore who is still going to command $
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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#616 » by Jkam31 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:29 am

Bazemore and Fournier would be great. With the right coach having a big lineup of Fournier/Gay/WCS/DMC would do wonders. Fournier is unselfish and can creat for himself

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Kings2013 wrote:More a FA thing, but I guess it can tie into the deadline

Before I mentioned that I was on the fence with Rondo and leaned his way. Well, after rethinking his D, some of the advanced stats, and how good the unit was with Collison last year, and how Curry might be able to play, I think I'm more on the side of throwing that money previously earmarked to Rondo on a quality young wing and letting DC take the reigns

My mind isn't totally made up though and the last stretch is critical. Rondo show me something

I'd be fine with letting Rondo walk and starting DC if we could sign a quality wing, but which free agent wings do the Kings actually have a decent shot at signing? Won't be in the mix for Beal or DeRozan and Barnes and Batum can sign with teams that aren't rebuilding and haven't been a PR disaster. We'll most likely have to settle for free agency leftovers.

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Not a big time FA, I was thinking more like a Bazemore who is still going to command $




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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#617 » by mlloyd10 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:17 pm

McLemore/Butler for Ennis/Inglis

Dont know what kind of value McLemore has
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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#618 » by sdballer » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:10 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:McLemore/Butler for Ennis/Inglis

Dont know what kind of value McLemore has


More value than a couple end of bench guys
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Re: Trade Idea Thread 15-16 

Post#619 » by Kings2013 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:55 pm

Cavs interested in Koufos, per wiretap

I wouldn't packaging Ben/Koufos for something nice, too bad I'm not more into Shump
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Post#620 » by City of Trees » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:12 pm

Kings2013 wrote:Cavs interested in Koufos, per wiretap

I wouldn't packaging Ben/Koufos for something nice, too bad I'm not more into Shump

Ben/Koufus for Shump isn't a good trade, long term speaking... Actually it's probably off value wise as well.

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