Have You Panickers Actually Thought This Through?

[deneem4]

This pretty much times a billion.

We played one of the hardest schedules the 1st half of the season...and every one with the exception of wall and temple missed games...

We can make the playoffs...we can't jus tank it out and hope we can get a high lotto pick....especially when we jus went to the 2nd rd twice and lost to the 2nd or best team in the east that year...

Imagine We keep the pick, draft ______ ...durant stays in okc...we sign Ryan Anderson Keep beal
Fast forward
We Have an absurd # of injuries problems...aren't looking like a playoff team in the middle of the season....
We tank again???

Especially considering our track record of draft picks...hoping for a better draft vs playoff isn't a smart decision regardless of the chances...

We have a better chance at landing guys like durant or horford if we show we are a winning team...that's why pierce came...
Free agents is MORE IMPORTANT than draft picks this summer

But. We. Still. Aren't. Winning!

We have jus begin to get healthy...randy still has to tweak the lineups he's not that good with that so it will take some games
Still 25 more games left...were chasing the 7th seed if we're not good enough now to reach that...
Then the whole board gets what it wants
No playoffs, draft pick, or kd
Randy fire, Ernie fired...

What's a better win win in the long term and short term??
Playoffs or new gm and coach
Vs
playoffs or lottery draft pick with same gm and coach
We're all in...

[deneem4]

This pretty much times a billion.

We played one of the hardest schedules the 1st half of the season...and every one with the exception of wall and temple missed games...

We can make the playoffs...we can't jus tank it out and hope we can get a high lotto pick....especially when we jus went to the 2nd rd twice and lost to the 2nd or best team in the east that year...

Out of curiosity, do you actually READ things others post? The difficulty of the schedule and the effect players being out has been quantified, analyzed and dissected in some detail on the boards.

To summarize:

- strength of schedule doesn't explain the Wizards' below-.500 record -- the Wizards were significantly worse than average even after accounting for strength of schedule

- while the Wizards lost a bunch of "man games" to injury, they didn't lose much in the win column (about two wins through the first before Beal's return) because the players missing games weren't major producers of wins anyway, AND their backups did a decent job of filling in.

The backups didn't do a decent job if we wasn't winning lol...
Stats can say a lot but it can't tell if your team has chemistry and with some many lineup changes because of our injuries our chemistry sucks...

We're not together out there stats can't show that,
Otto needs beal as much as he need wall...Dudley shouldn't be playing pf for more than 5 mins...

I read things other post but I also watch games

[Sluggerface]

We played one of the hardest schedules the 1st half of the season...and every one with the exception of wall and temple missed games...

We can make the playoffs...we can't jus tank it out and hope we can get a high lotto pick....especially when we jus went to the 2nd rd twice and lost to the 2nd or best team in the east that year...

Out of curiosity, do you actually READ things others post? The difficulty of the schedule and the effect players being out has been quantified, analyzed and dissected in some detail on the boards.

To summarize:

- strength of schedule doesn't explain the Wizards' below-.500 record -- the Wizards were significantly worse than average even after accounting for strength of schedule

- while the Wizards lost a bunch of "man games" to injury, they didn't lose much in the win column (about two wins through the first before Beal's return) because the players missing games weren't major producers of wins anyway, AND their backups did a decent job of filling in.

The backups didn't do a decent job if we wasn't winning lol...
Stats can say a lot but it can't tell if your team has chemistry and with some many lineup changes because of our injuries our chemistry sucks...

We're not together out there stats can't show that,
Otto needs beal as much as he need wall...Dudley shouldn't be playing pf for more than 5 mins...

I read things other post but I also watch games

Are you this dude by chance?

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[TheSecretWeapon]

We played one of the hardest schedules the 1st half of the season...and every one with the exception of wall and temple missed games...

We can make the playoffs...we can't jus tank it out and hope we can get a high lotto pick....especially when we jus went to the 2nd rd twice and lost to the 2nd or best team in the east that year...

Out of curiosity, do you actually READ things others post? The difficulty of the schedule and the effect players being out has been quantified, analyzed and dissected in some detail on the boards.

To summarize:

- strength of schedule doesn't explain the Wizards' below-.500 record -- the Wizards were significantly worse than average even after accounting for strength of schedule

- while the Wizards lost a bunch of "man games" to injury, they didn't lose much in the win column (about two wins through the first before Beal's return) because the players missing games weren't major producers of wins anyway, AND their backups did a decent job of filling in.

The backups didn't do a decent job if we wasn't winning lol...

The point is that the backups produced at a level only slightly below what the missing players provided.

Stats can say a lot but it can't tell if your team has chemistry and with some many lineup changes because of our injuries our chemistry sucks...

To the extent that chemistry, lineup changes, etc. matter, they show up in the stats.

We're not together out there stats can't show that,
Otto needs beal as much as he need wall...

The stats show that Porter has actually been far more effective this season with Beal on the bench. With Beal on the floor, Porter has produced 108 points per 100 possessions with a usage rate of 15.5%. When Beal sits, Porter has scored 120 points per 100 possessions on a usage rate of 17.1%.

Porter has also been more efficient (ortg: 119 to 114) without Wall this season.

Dudley shouldn't be playing pf for more than 5 mins...

Mostly agree on this. I liked the trade to get him, but was concerned about their plan to use him as full-ish time stretch four. He was a below average rebounder for a SF, he's now the worst rebounding PF in the league.

I read things other post but I also watch games

I watch games too. I don't think I'm seeing the same things you're seeing, though.

[fishercob]

Reading some of the asinine suggestions on this board lately is mind boggling. A loss here or there, everyone wants to blow it up!! Yet those games we win, Wall posts triple doubles, Marcin averages double doubles on the season, Nene looks to form, Beal averaging 20ppg, Sessions arguing for best backup pg in the league, no one has any praise?

The goal of the Wizards should and will be to remain competitive and win as many games as possible. How can some of you guys as fans actually support prematurely throwing away an entire season purposefully? All for the sake of getting a GM and coach canned? Bush league!!

The players on this team with pride, careers, families and financial obligations, you think they will be on board to give up in the middle of the season to support the agenda of a few realgm posters? You think Ted, a successful billionaire, employer of many Monumental employees and dedicated owner sitting courtside at the games, would be happy to see his franchise mail it in? All to support the agenda a few realgm posters? Season ticket holders, fans with families bringing their kids to the games. How would they feel spending hundreds, thousands of dollars to see this team play at a competitive level? You think they would understand mailing in a season all to support the agenda of a few realgm posters?

Say Grunfeld and Wittman gets fired like many suggest. Kiss the Durant sweepstakes goodbye. He's definitely not coming to a rebuilding team.

A new GM would most likely blow this team up, and take at least 3 or 4 seasons to get it back on track. John Wall would be gone by then as he does not want to stick around on a rebuilding team wasting his career.

Then what? You've lost your main star/franchise player and you have to either trade/draft another one. 5+ years of missing the playoffs, potential revolving door of head coaches and falling back to the dark ages. Is that what some of you want? The grass is not always greener on the other side.

The best thing for the Wizards is to keep Grunfeld. Ted realizes this. The risk is not worth it. Canning him would set this franchise back longer than you might imagine.

WORK. IT.

[AFM]

milellie, please reveal who you are. You're somehow related to Ted or Grunfeld. Please come clean.

All I've been able to find is this:
http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/24170533-milellie111

[MJG]

Morris has barely played in 4 games. Think that's enough time to learn Wittmans offense? Give it a few more games.

How many games is "a few more"? Please post a number. Genuinely curious here.

[deneem4]

Out of curiosity, do you actually READ things others post? The difficulty of the schedule and the effect players being out has been quantified, analyzed and dissected in some detail on the boards.

To summarize:

- strength of schedule doesn't explain the Wizards' below-.500 record -- the Wizards were significantly worse than average even after accounting for strength of schedule

- while the Wizards lost a bunch of "man games" to injury, they didn't lose much in the win column (about two wins through the first before Beal's return) because the players missing games weren't major producers of wins anyway, AND their backups did a decent job of filling in.

The backups didn't do a decent job if we wasn't winning lol...

The point is that the backups produced at a level only slightly below what the missing players provided.

Stats can say a lot but it can't tell if your team has chemistry and with some many lineup changes because of our injuries our chemistry sucks...

To the extent that chemistry, lineup changes, etc. matter, they show up in the stats.

We're not together out there stats can't show that,
Otto needs beal as much as he need wall...

The stats show that Porter has actually been far more effective this season with Beal on the bench. With Beal on the floor, Porter has produced 108 points per 100 possessions with a usage rate of 15.5%. When Beal sits, Porter has scored 120 points per 100 possessions on a usage rate of 17.1%.

Porter has also been more efficient (ortg: 119 to 114) without Wall this season.

Dudley shouldn't be playing pf for more than 5 mins...

Mostly agree on this. I liked the trade to get him, but was concerned about their plan to use him as full-ish time stretch four. He was a below average rebounder for a SF, he's now the worst rebounding PF in the league.

I read things other post but I also watch games

I watch games too. I don't think I'm seeing the same things you're seeing, though.

Stats aren't always the answer if that's the case
I have some stats and numbers of my own
We're 6-3 when oubre starts
2-0 when he plays 30mins
8-6 when he plays 15mins...those loses are to okc,sas,lac,Mia,bos(of course),mem

[deneem4]

Morris has barely played in 4 games. Think that's enough time to learn Wittmans offense? Give it a few more games.

How many games is "a few more"? Please post a number. Genuinely curious here.

Is not Morris learning whittman offense... iSt whittman learning Morris offense and that will take whittman ummmm....some time...I don't think he's found Porter offense out yet

[keynote]

milellie111, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.

Display this post.

Funny. Based on your previous posts, I've imagined you looking similar to those in the Gif.

OK, I'll bite. What the hell is that supposed to mean!?

[TheSecretWeapon]

Stats aren't always the answer if that's the case
I have some stats and numbers of my own
We're 6-3 when oubre starts
2-0 when he plays 30mins
8-6 when he plays 15mins...those loses are to okc,sas,lac,Mia,bos(of course),mem

In those 9 starts, while the Wizards were 6-3 overall, their "record" during Oubre's minutes wwas 2-7. They were -27 while Oubre was on the floor.

In those two 30+ minute games, the Wizards were +29 (a 14-point win over Sacramento and a 15-point win over Brooklyn). During Oubre's time on the floor in those two games the Wizards "record" was 0-2 and the team was outscored by 7 points.

During those 15+ minute games (where the team's record was 8-6), their "record" during Oubre's minutes was 3-10-1. They were -27 when he played.

[deneem4]

Stats aren't always the answer if that's the case
I have some stats and numbers of my own
We're 6-3 when oubre starts
2-0 when he plays 30mins
8-6 when he plays 15mins...those loses are to okc,sas,lac,Mia,bos(of course),mem

In those 9 starts, while the Wizards were 6-3 overall, their "record" during Oubre's minutes wwas 2-7. They were -27 while Oubre was on the floor.

In those two 30+ minute games, the Wizards were +29 (a 14-point win over Sacramento and a 15-point win over Brooklyn). During Oubre's time on the floor in those two games the Wizards "record" was 0-2 and the team was outscored by 7 points.

During those 15+ minute games (where the team's record was 8-6), their "record" during Oubre's minutes was 3-10-1. They were -27 when he played.

Please explain how u find those stats
Would like to see how credible they are to the eye test...

[Ruzious]

Stats aren't always the answer if that's the case
I have some stats and numbers of my own
We're 6-3 when oubre starts
2-0 when he plays 30mins
8-6 when he plays 15mins...those loses are to okc,sas,lac,Mia,bos(of course),mem

In those 9 starts, while the Wizards were 6-3 overall, their "record" during Oubre's minutes wwas 2-7. They were -27 while Oubre was on the floor.

In those two 30+ minute games, the Wizards were +29 (a 14-point win over Sacramento and a 15-point win over Brooklyn). During Oubre's time on the floor in those two games the Wizards "record" was 0-2 and the team was outscored by 7 points.

During those 15+ minute games (where the team's record was 8-6), their "record" during Oubre's minutes was 3-10-1. They were -27 when he played.

Please explain how u find those stats
Would like to see how credible they are to the eye test...

Your eye tests seem to involve seeing what you want to see. Mine see Oubre make a ton of mistakes - which I don't blame him for since he's a kid who plays like a kid.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

Oh boy, not another abomination of a thread!
deneem4 and miley grunfeld on one thread? Come on mods! Do your job! I hope outside fans ain't reading this crap.

[closg00]

milellie, please reveal who you are. You're somehow related to Ted or Grunfeld. Please come clean.

All I've been able to find is this:
http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/24170533-milellie111

He probably is Grunfeld or someone who benefits by his continued employment with the Wizards. The post are not of the sycophant/disordered-type post like some of EG's supporters. This person also blankets all of the other media outlets with these types of posts.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Stats aren't always the answer if that's the case
I have some stats and numbers of my own
We're 6-3 when oubre starts
2-0 when he plays 30mins
8-6 when he plays 15mins...those loses are to okc,sas,lac,Mia,bos(of course),mem

In those 9 starts, while the Wizards were 6-3 overall, their "record" during Oubre's minutes wwas 2-7. They were -27 while Oubre was on the floor.

In those two 30+ minute games, the Wizards were +29 (a 14-point win over Sacramento and a 15-point win over Brooklyn). During Oubre's time on the floor in those two games the Wizards "record" was 0-2 and the team was outscored by 7 points.

During those 15+ minute games (where the team's record was 8-6), their "record" during Oubre's minutes was 3-10-1. They were -27 when he played.

Please explain how u find those stats
Would like to see how credible they are to the eye test...

All this info was in Oubre's game log at basketball-reference.com. I did have to do some counting and addition/subtraction.

[montestewart]

milellie, please reveal who you are. You're somehow related to Ted or Grunfeld. Please come clean.

All I've been able to find is this:
http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/24170533-milellie111

The one book on the "too read" bookshelf confirms everything. Millie, you're the best!

[BigA]

I've at least gotten some laughs out of this thread. Undecided on whether I should stick with the #GPDW crew or jump to the #PTTT (Panickers Thinking This Through) Crew.

[Upper Decker]

milellie, please reveal who you are. You're somehow related to Ted or Grunfeld. Please come clean.

All I've been able to find is this:
http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/24170533-milellie111

this is bleepin gold my friend, HOF post

[pineappleheadindc]

#GPDW

Don't make me change the name of our crew to GPDR

Do you guys have a secret handshake or hold toga parties or something?