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Bradley Beal - Part III

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#161 » by LyricalRico » Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:11 am

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CobraCommander wrote:Brads play this year has to be costing him money- when you couple the reoccurring injuries to his legs with the REALLY bad nights when he is healthy- I don't see how a GM could offer him the max.

Too many warning signs that say his upside may not be as high as once thought (even at 22) - doesn't mean he won't get the max from someone based on the hope that he can stay healthy.

But remember this, Beal was drafted based on "upside" as he didn't have a remarkable college career. People saw a strong, athletic kid, with decent size (plus the possibility that he could grow more), a perfect jump shot and a GREAT KID (I can't over state how good of a person Brad appears to be) and they thought you have to draft BRAD if you need a 2 guard. Brad is smart, humble and well spoken.

If he was half as good as John right now, he would be household name with a huge shoe deal and a AllStar appearance. Right now it is like we are waiting for him to heal...again. Return to form...again. Waiting for the best shooter on the team to take over for JW as the scoring leader for the Wiz...again. That is the only formula that works.

If John (a marginal shooter) is your best scorer you have a problem - especially when you have a shooter of Brads ability on the team

Yeah. I'm starting to have some real hopes that his free agency market will be diminished. If nothing else, my guess is that nobody is going to pay him max money for a full 4-year contract. If they offer him a max, it'll probably only be a 2+1 contract with that 3rd year a team option. That would be much more palatable to match. It's an overpay, but the free agency market this year and next year will be full of overly expensive players, rendering any "plan B" to be nearly as expensive as Beal. The market will settle down in the Summer of 2018, so if Beal has a team option then, and he has proven to be underwhelming, we could dump his salary and explore free agency at that time.


That scenario works for me.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#162 » by gambitx777 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:57 am

I would maybe, maybe try to talk him into taking his cap hold by offering him a 5 year fully guaranteed deal. A lot of teams are not going to want to give that to him at the least Because thats a lot of guaranteed money to place on a guy who can't stay healthy or play D every night.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#163 » by nate33 » Tue Mar 1, 2016 1:58 pm

Beal's season averages continue to plummet. His ORtg is down to a career low, as is his WS/48 and VORP. He is also posting career lows in rebounds and a career high in turnovers (per possession), and his averages in assists, steals and blocks are near his career lows.

Basically, the only "improvement" he has made this year is the fact that he is shooting a lot more, and therefore scoring more. But shooting a lot more with an efficiency that is below league average isn't a good thing. It actually hurts the team.

The odd thing is that Beal looks good as a basketball player. My eyes tell me that he has improved his game quite a bit, developing a much better driving game with an array of floaters and short jumpers mixed in. We just aren't seeing the results on the scoreboard. Maybe Beal would be better under a different coach with a different system, but it's becoming evident that he really isn't that good under this coach in this system.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#164 » by AFM » Tue Mar 1, 2016 2:05 pm

He has 100% gotten better at driving to the basket. And at least they stopped with that awful Gortat Beal play they ran last year, where Beal ran around Gortat back and forth waiting for a handoff
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#165 » by dlts20 » Tue Mar 1, 2016 6:15 pm

I'm hoping since its Monday and the first that the minutes restriction will be raised so that he can go back to starting again. We need to get our real lineup out there, get our rotation down, and really get that starting group used to playing with eachother because they all want to shoot and score so they will have to be very unselfish and play very fast so we can get up more shots
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#166 » by nate33 » Tue Mar 1, 2016 6:53 pm

dlts20 wrote:I'm hoping since its Monday and the first that the minutes restriction will be raised so that he can go back to starting again. We need to get our real lineup out there, get our rotation down, and really get that starting group used to playing with eachother because they all want to shoot and score so they will have to be very unselfish and play very fast so we can get up more shots

I don't see any reason to think that Beal will magically play a lot better once he is inserted into the starting lineup. He has played the same whether as a starter or bench player: high volume, low efficiency.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#167 » by J-Ves » Thu Mar 3, 2016 7:43 pm

Beal has played a lot better post injury(22 games). High efficiency(57% TS), high usage(27 usg%), and low turnovers(8.4 TOV%) is what we are getting from him in restricted minutes (27 mpg) off the bench, basically he's the ideal 6th man right now.


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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#168 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 3, 2016 9:30 pm

J-Ves wrote:Beal has played a lot better post injury(22 games). High efficiency(57% TS), high usage(27 usg%), and low turnovers(8.4 TOV%) is what we are getting from him in restricted minutes (27 mpg) off the bench, basically he's the ideal 6th man right now.


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You wouldn't have been able to say this a game ago. But in a 22-game sample size, one good game can boost your averages significantly. He looks a lot better today than he did 2 days ago.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#169 » by Illmatic12 » Thu Mar 3, 2016 9:36 pm

Smooth game from Beal last night:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kUVJtIqVGk[/youtube]

The big difference from previous years is that he's scoring from all over the floor now. Inside, outside, transition, off cuts, in isolation, etc. He's still only 22yo, but building towards having a complete game.

The #1 priority for Beal in the offseason is to get his legs stronger. At times he'll go through shooting slumps where all of his shots are short. He's got to get his 'sea legs' under him so to speak
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#170 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 3, 2016 9:38 pm

Well, consider the rest of the season the playoffs. Beal plays better in the playoffs - so just... hypnotize him. Hey, we're trying to save Wittman's and EG's jobs, right? So whatever works - do it.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#171 » by TheSecretWeapon » Thu Mar 3, 2016 9:44 pm

At the 49-second mark, he does that step-in long two thing against a hard closeout from a defender. I'd like to see him learn to step to the side -- staying behind the 3pt line rather than moving in. I love what I saw from him last night.

And, it's not like last night's game dramatically changed Beal's offensive numbers. Since returning from injury, he has a TS% of .572 and an ortg of 109. Leave out last night's game, and it's .561 and 108. I'd still like to see more non-scoring production from him. But, efficient, high-usage scoring is pretty valuable.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#172 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 3, 2016 11:59 pm

I'm just concerned that the level of competition is going up from the Phillys and Minnys to Cleveland (with that Lebron guy this time), Indiana, and Portland starting tomorrow.
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Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#173 » by J-Ves » Fri Mar 4, 2016 12:14 am

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J-Ves wrote:Beal has played a lot better post injury(22 games). High efficiency(57% TS), high usage(27 usg%), and low turnovers(8.4 TOV%) is what we are getting from him in restricted minutes (27 mpg) off the bench, basically he's the ideal 6th man right now.


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You wouldn't have been able to say this a game ago. But in a 22-game sample size, one good game can boost your averages significantly. He looks a lot better today than he did 2 days ago.

22 games is 22 games. I'm taking the good with the bad in that stretch


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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#174 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 4, 2016 12:47 am

TheSecretWeapon wrote:At the 49-second mark, he does that step-in long two thing against a hard closeout from a defender. I'd like to see him learn to step to the side -- staying behind the 3pt line rather than moving in. I love what I saw from him last night.

And, it's not like last night's game dramatically changed Beal's offensive numbers. Since returning from injury, he has a TS% of .572 and an ortg of 109. Leave out last night's game, and it's .561 and 108. I'd still like to see more non-scoring production from him. But, efficient, high-usage scoring is pretty valuable.

Prior to yesterday, his ORtg on the season was 102. It's only 103 right now.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#175 » by TheSecretWeapon » Fri Mar 4, 2016 1:23 am

nate33 wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:At the 49-second mark, he does that step-in long two thing against a hard closeout from a defender. I'd like to see him learn to step to the side -- staying behind the 3pt line rather than moving in. I love what I saw from him last night.

And, it's not like last night's game dramatically changed Beal's offensive numbers. Since returning from injury, he has a TS% of .572 and an ortg of 109. Leave out last night's game, and it's .561 and 108. I'd still like to see more non-scoring production from him. But, efficient, high-usage scoring is pretty valuable.

Prior to yesterday, his ORtg on the season was 102. It's only 103 right now.

I was looking ONLY at the games since he returned from injury. B-R must have a bug in their system -- when I look at the numbers in the game log, it has Beal's ortg for the season at 104 and the season excluding last night's game at 103. My alternative ortg had him at 104 before last night's game.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#176 » by Ruzious » Sat Mar 5, 2016 5:22 pm

Ruzious wrote:I'm just concerned that the level of competition is going up from the Phillys and Minnys to Cleveland (with that Lebron guy this time), Indiana, and Portland starting tomorrow.

Cleveland turned up the D, and Beal turned over the ball. His ball-handling against double-teams was laughably bad. He's got to react smarter to double-teams.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#177 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Sun Mar 6, 2016 5:12 am

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#178 » by McFilthy » Sun Mar 6, 2016 2:44 pm

I hope Beal bounces back, but his trajectory is, unfortunately, similar to a guy some compared him to coming out of college: Eric Gordon. Gordon has some talent and got a big contract, but he is constantly injured.

I am torn on Beal because, when healthy, he can be a very effective player for us, but can we count on him if we sign him to a max/near max contract?
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#179 » by dckingsfan » Sun Mar 6, 2016 3:14 pm

McFilthy wrote:I hope Beal bounces back, but his trajectory is, unfortunately, similar to a guy some him to coming out of college: Eric Gordon. Gordon has some talent and got a big contract, but he is constantly injured.

I am torn on Beal because, when healthy, he can be a very effective player for us, but can we count on him if we sign him to a max/near max contract?


Exactly - don't extend those that don't have the right trajectory. Beal is one of those players - eye candy with that shot (just don't look at his FT%). You let those guys go and sigh.

Otto Porter on the other hand is improving year over year. And he does the little things that help you win.

I would have like a trade with Phoenix where Beal was going to Phoenix and we got back the pick and Morris. Such is life with EG.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#180 » by payitforward » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:04 pm

Is there any word on how long Beal's likely to be out?

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