Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

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I can't find the current FA thread, so I'll paste this here. Looks like the Wizards were in the running for Kevin Martin:
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We would've presumably cut Jarell "Lintsanity" Eddie to make room.

1) How would adding another pro-ratead league minimum contract (while swallowing Eddie's deal) have affected us, luxury tax-wise?
2) Do folks think that the Wizards will continue to look to add another wing -- especially if Beal's sprained pelvis has him missing any amount of time?

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gotta trade porter yesterday

enough is enough--average defender, lagging three ball, can't create--would rather have nerlens filling out and blocking shots on our second unit than this trash

oubre has to develop now and I've seen enough of Porter...would like to see oubre start ASAP

I'm not sure what I even want from the PF position right now--just know its not kieff. he's trying and everything but god his offensive utility is almost literally just a poor mans nene without the size and strength

gawwwwwwwwwwd how did it come to this

"trash", huh? -- good thing you're not analyzing players for a living! I'd put Porter in the top 12-15 SFs in the league right now, and he has plenty of upside.

[nuposse04]

gotta trade porter yesterday

enough is enough--average defender, lagging three ball, can't create--would rather have nerlens filling out and blocking shots on our second unit than this trash

oubre has to develop now and I've seen enough of Porter...would like to see oubre start ASAP

I'm not sure what I even want from the PF position right now--just know its not kieff. he's trying and everything but god his offensive utility is almost literally just a poor mans nene without the size and strength

gawwwwwwwwwwd how did it come to this

Porter being in a slump doesn't mean we dump him... yah he has struggled quite a bit lately but his season production is still decent. Of course he is not untouchable but not like he is a horrible player. He's still young enough where he might improve under competent coaching and his own innate improvements.

I do think Noel should have been the pick that year >.>

[Dark Faze]

the kid is a year away from getting 10 million a year which will be around the new average for roleplayers

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

This one's from the water under the bridge file. But had we thrown Beal into the deal, could we have pried away Len, Booker or both?

Beal, Hump, Blair, a lotto first for

Morris, Len, Booker?

Suns get perceived best player in the deal, a high 1st and get rid of an overrated malcontent.

[gambitx777]

This one's from the water under the bridge file. But had we thrown Beal into the deal, could we have pried away Len, Booker or both?

Beal, Hump, Blair, a lotto first for

Morris, Len, Booker?

Suns get perceived best player in the deal, a high 1st and get rid of an overrated malcontent.

They would not give us len but, for beal I would have absolutly pulled the trigger for Booker and teletovic/leur But I suspect we would have to drop the protection on the pick. Which I would be fine with. Because as much as I liked the morris trade and I still do. But Getting Booker, who is just as good as beal, and Teletovic or Leur would have been huge for us off the bench behind Morris. Plus then we could have cut Neal or Gooden and still brough in JJ.
Wall/Sessions/Temple
Booker/Anderson/Eddie
Porter/Dudley/Kelly.O
Morris/Teletovic or Leur/Gooden
Gortat/NENE/Hickson

That's a damn good team right there. Plus I do believe that actually opens up cap room because we get away from Beals cap hold. Plus Lets say we got Leur and not Teletovic (close to the same type of player, give or take) He is on contract for next year and it gives us another young 4 who can shoot. Plus like I said that would open up some room to resign Dudley/Sessions/Hickson after we go back and get KD. Too bad it never happened, because that takes the deal that was made from an ok deal for a home run.

[Dark Faze]

team is in such bad shape right now

we're one more terrible ernie acquisition away from having the wall era be essentially over. everything depends on this big acquisition this summer. if its a typical grunfeld botch of a contract like ryan anderson for a 5 year deal we're cooked

[deneem4]

This one's from the water under the bridge file. But had we thrown Beal into the deal, could we have pried away Len, Booker or both?

Beal, Hump, Blair, a lotto first for

Morris, Len, Booker?

Suns get perceived best player in the deal, a high 1st and get rid of an overrated malcontent.

They would not give us len but, for beal I would have absolutly pulled the trigger for Booker and teletovic/leur But I suspect we would have to drop the protection on the pick. Which I would be fine with. Because as much as I liked the morris trade and I still do. But Getting Booker, who is just as good as beal, and Teletovic or Leur would have been huge for us off the bench behind Morris. Plus then we could have cut Neal or Gooden and still brough in JJ.
Wall/Sessions/Temple
Booker/Anderson/Eddie
Porter/Dudley/Kelly.O
Morris/Teletovic or Leur/Gooden
Gortat/NENE/Hickson

That's a damn good team right there. Plus I do believe that actually opens up cap room because we get away from Beals cap hold. Plus Lets say we got Leur and not Teletovic (close to the same type of player, give or take) He is on contract for next year and it gives us another young 4 who can shoot. Plus like I said that would open up some room to resign Dudley/Sessions/Hickson after we go back and get KD. Too bad it never happened, because that takes the deal that was made from an ok deal for a home run.

Booker would be benched and temple would be starting jus like oubre

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bookede01/gamelog/2016/#1-29-sum:pgl_advanced

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/oubreke01/gamelog/2016/#1-23-sum:pgl_advanced

Booker a better shooter of course but before he started(I used 2016 as the cutoff) he was more turnover prone and a worse defender

Booker wouldn't be getting minutes if Bledsoe was healthy...funny beal is injured and we're not giving oubre that chance.....

[gambitx777]

This one's from the water under the bridge file. But had we thrown Beal into the deal, could we have pried away Len, Booker or both?

Beal, Hump, Blair, a lotto first for

Morris, Len, Booker?

Suns get perceived best player in the deal, a high 1st and get rid of an overrated malcontent.

They would not give us len but, for beal I would have absolutly pulled the trigger for Booker and teletovic/leur But I suspect we would have to drop the protection on the pick. Which I would be fine with. Because as much as I liked the morris trade and I still do. But Getting Booker, who is just as good as beal, and Teletovic or Leur would have been huge for us off the bench behind Morris. Plus then we could have cut Neal or Gooden and still brough in JJ.
Wall/Sessions/Temple
Booker/Anderson/Eddie
Porter/Dudley/Kelly.O
Morris/Teletovic or Leur/Gooden
Gortat/NENE/Hickson

That's a damn good team right there. Plus I do believe that actually opens up cap room because we get away from Beals cap hold. Plus Lets say we got Leur and not Teletovic (close to the same type of player, give or take) He is on contract for next year and it gives us another young 4 who can shoot. Plus like I said that would open up some room to resign Dudley/Sessions/Hickson after we go back and get KD. Too bad it never happened, because that takes the deal that was made from an ok deal for a home run.

Booker would be benched and temple would be starting jus like oubre

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bookede01/gamelog/2016/#1-29-sum:pgl_advanced

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/oubreke01/gamelog/2016/#1-23-sum:pgl_advanced

Booker a better shooter of course but before he started(I used 2016 as the cutoff) he was more turnover prone and a worse defender

Booker wouldn't be getting minutes if Bledsoe was healthy...funny beal is injured and we're not giving oubre that chance.....

Even if wittless would botch the playing time it would still be a great move to get two more young and talented shooters on the team, in teltovics case he could be retained at the least. But luer and booker would be great!

[deneem4]

They would not give us len but, for beal I would have absolutly pulled the trigger for Booker and teletovic/leur But I suspect we would have to drop the protection on the pick. Which I would be fine with. Because as much as I liked the morris trade and I still do. But Getting Booker, who is just as good as beal, and Teletovic or Leur would have been huge for us off the bench behind Morris. Plus then we could have cut Neal or Gooden and still brough in JJ.
Wall/Sessions/Temple
Booker/Anderson/Eddie
Porter/Dudley/Kelly.O
Morris/Teletovic or Leur/Gooden
Gortat/NENE/Hickson

That's a damn good team right there. Plus I do believe that actually opens up cap room because we get away from Beals cap hold. Plus Lets say we got Leur and not Teletovic (close to the same type of player, give or take) He is on contract for next year and it gives us another young 4 who can shoot. Plus like I said that would open up some room to resign Dudley/Sessions/Hickson after we go back and get KD. Too bad it never happened, because that takes the deal that was made from an ok deal for a home run.

Booker would be benched and temple would be starting jus like oubre

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bookede01/gamelog/2016/#1-29-sum:pgl_advanced

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/oubreke01/gamelog/2016/#1-23-sum:pgl_advanced

Booker a better shooter of course but before he started(I used 2016 as the cutoff) he was more turnover prone and a worse defender

Booker wouldn't be getting minutes if Bledsoe was healthy...funny beal is injured and we're not giving oubre that chance.....

Even if wittless would botch the playing time it would still be a great move to get two more young and talented shooters on the team, in teltovics case he could be retained at the least. But luer and booker would be great!

Botched playing time...botched development...
We do the trade
We wouldn't see this booker til this time next year...
Knowing eg...after we make that trade
We pick joe Johnson or Martin to be our starting sg off the waiver(maybe even a worse player..
temple main backup(booker buried on the bench)
Resign the vet to a overpaid contract....
They start next year along with temple/gooden as backup again...
Give them minutes here or there don't let them find chemistry...we on the forums yell they're a bust, bad trade
Injuries hit...they almost get consistent minutes start to find rythym
Injured players come back...young guys buried back on the bench

Life of a wizards rookie/young player

[gambitx777]

I feel like booker would get playing time, hes a better shooter than most of the guys on this team and he fits with wall, Plus no minutes restriction. I think he would actually start because he would be that much better than temple.

[deneem4]

I feel like booker would get playing time, hes a better shooter than most of the guys on this team and he fits with wall, Plus no minutes restriction. I think he would actually start because he would be that much better than temple.

Oubre was shooting 43% from the 3 his 1st 25 games...lol while I agree with you...whittman most likely doesn't...we need stop gap vets we don't have time to take chances on rookies

[gambitx777]

I feel like the difference in Booker and Kelly would be, Kelly was a project to just be here for the future, Booker would be an imidiate beal replacement. You traded beal for this kid, you can't not play him.

[Dark Faze]

almost ready to let Brad walk for nothing to be honest

[MarcoPolo]

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Another player to the pack.

Gary Neal is waived.

[nuposse04]

They never should signed his awful ass to begin with. Good riddance.

[nate33]

They never should signed his awful ass to begin with. Good riddance.

I think he has been okay for us. He's not a starting-caliber player by any stretch, but as an instant-offense shooter for the 2nd unit, I think he did his job pretty well.

I don't think it was a disastrous signing. I've got no ill will toward him.

[nuposse04]

They never should signed his awful ass to begin with. Good riddance.

I think he has been okay for us. He's not a starting-caliber player by any stretch, but as an instant-offense shooter for the 2nd unit, I think he did his job pretty well.

I don't think it was a disastrous signing. I've got no ill will toward him.

He is a ball stopper who doesn't play an ounce of defense. He does one thing well, shooting.. At the sacrifice of all other facets of basketball. There is a reason the differential always tanked when he stepped foot on the court.

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They never should signed his awful ass to begin with. Good riddance.

I think he has been okay for us. He's not a starting-caliber player by any stretch, but as an instant-offense shooter for the 2nd unit, I think he did his job pretty well.

I don't think it was a disastrous signing. I've got no ill will toward him.

He is a ball stopper who doesn't play an ounce of defense. He does one thing well, shooting.. At the sacrifice of all other facets of basketball. There is a reason the differential always tanked when he stepped foot on the court.

Sorry, BS. I'm no Gary Neal fan, but you're being unfair to say the least. He's never been a good player, but he was above his career average for us, and he did not overshoot the ball either (i.e. "ball stopper"). He got some assists, he rebounded reasonably well, etc.

It's not true either that he "doesn't play an ounce of defense". He's not a *good* defender, no way. But I watched him, and he made an effort.

Not going to miss him, but there's no reason to beat on the kid.

[nuposse04]

He is a ball stopper who doesn't play an ounce of defense. He does one thing well, shooting.. At the sacrifice of all other facets of basketball. There is a reason the differential always tanked when he stepped foot on the court.

Sorry, BS. I'm no Gary Neal fan, but you're being unfair to say the least. He's never been a good player, but he was above his career average for us, and he did not overshoot the ball either (i.e. "ball stopper"). He got some assists, he rebounded reasonably well, etc.

It's not true either that he "doesn't play an ounce of defense". He's not a *good* defender, no way. But I watched him, and he made an effort.

Not going to miss him, but there's no reason to beat on the kid.

He got "his" in that he scored efficiently... but I think a lot of his high efficiency this season was really good mid range shooting this season, In fact I believe he had his best season from 16 ft-3 pt. When he was on... he was really on... and when he was off... it was dreadful >.>

Part of his problem is he would pound the rock to no avail and then pass it out when nothing was developing leading to countless wasted possessions. He reminds me of the Enes Kanter of old, personally productive for his "role" but at the cost of his team's ability to win. His +/- on-off was really bad this season... I mean it was never this bad before... :/

Also, he can give all the effort in the world... but that doesn't absolve him of his inability to play defense. Trying to play defense doesn't mean you play defense. I looked it up a while ago, his player tracking defensive stats per NBA.com were abominably bad. His good shooting was severely hampered by how much of a travesty he is as a defender. It'd be fine playing him had we good defenders to pair with him... but when you play him with sessions, and our bench mob its hard to mask his defensive faults. So maybe you can blame roster construction wasting a good offensive shooting season for him.

If the argument is that he fills a "role" well (instant offense for example), make sure other roles are adequately filled to makeup for his inabilities, otherwise he ends up being the net negative that he is.