2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

[Ericb5]

Just saw a brief interview with Simmons...he's the number 1 overall pick...no question.

You can see the way he caries himself in an interview and it reinforces the fact that he is a star. Last year when the interviews starting coming out around draft time with Porzingis you could see the same thing.

Simmons is a superstar in the NBA. He is going to be as good as Durant or Westbrook I think. Maybe he isn't Lebron, but Lebron is a top 5 all time kind of player.

I'm going to be he happiest man in America if we win the lottery this year.


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Simmons ceiling is Odom, and there is nothing wrong with that. A prime Odom was a hell of a player, a top 15 -20 player in the league. I don't see Durant or Westbrook in him at all.

I think that his FLOOR is Odom.


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[phantom84]

You can see the way he caries himself in an interview and it reinforces the fact that he is a star. Last year when the interviews starting coming out around draft time with Porzingis you could see the same thing.

Simmons is a superstar in the NBA. He is going to be as good as Durant or Westbrook I think. Maybe he isn't Lebron, but Lebron is a top 5 all time kind of player.

I'm going to be he happiest man in America if we win the lottery this year.


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Simmons ceiling is Odom, and there is nothing wrong with that. A prime Odom was a hell of a player, a top 15 -20 player in the league. I don't see Durant or Westbrook in him at all.

I think that his FLOOR is Odom.


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Yup, watching him right now and an engaged/aggressive Simmons is a stud.

[Negrodamus]

havent said that you are wrong, but you'd have to read what I typed to know that I guess, maybe that will be a better idea next time you quote, if you dont think what I said it's interesting just dont bother and ignore me.

A 6'8 forward with a 7'2 wingspan was not a wing players at Tennessee State. He was a stretch 4 if anything.

You know who else is a stretch 4? Ben Bentil.

For the uninitiated:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_IraFOwJt8[/youtube]

dude Covington was racking up steals and blocks and his upside was his length and versatility, Bentil is clearly not as mobile and he scores a ton because he is much quicker than opposing Centers that he faces, you make it all cute putting a video like you have followed his season or anything, he plays the 5 for them and that is his role, he is a scorer, versatile one whereas Covington was more of wing, a stretch PF in college (Covington is 6'6 by the way) but with skills and athleticism to play the SF, you can see that Bentil is clearly a big.

And if you are a big, in this day unless you are tremendous at something, or a superathlete you can't play stretch PF, Bentil is neither, he is a bench scoring big.
But keep quoting me with videos.

Robinson needs to work on his game, but he'll figure it out, he has heart and a strong body, he can have a David West career.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1228612

Okafor is longer than Towns, he has a longer wingspan and a higher reach.
Towns is not even in the conversation, Mudiay and Russell are ahead of him, so if you are talking about prospects, those two, or even Stanley Johnson and Porzingis, might be in the convo, before Towns.
I have Towns 5-6th in my Board right now.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1371002

Purvis, Smart and Robinson are going to be top10 picks, but I'm not sure if 2013, or 2014, I think 3 of them would stay til their Soph year.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1190763

2/3 ain't bad.

Tavares ceiling is Asik.
Gobert? I'm not so sure, but he got really big issues with his motor and concentration, I like the Shawn Bradley comp.

lol

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1344753


My bad. I guess you were watching full Tennessee State games back between 2009-2013. Yep, Bentil has the similar "boatfeet" of KAT, so maybe he will actually work out in the pros, right?

[XtremeDunkz]

Wow they are down 30 to A&M?

[freshie2]

Getting killed...only saw a little, but it looked like they were taking/missing a lot of perimeter shots.

[XtremeDunkz]

This is where I get concerned. If Simmons is supposed to be this unbelievable talent, I don't care who his teammates are, he shouldn't get blown out like this in a conference tournament.

[WVU]

If we don't end up with Ben Simmons in this draft I'm not going to be sad. I'm fine with us getting any of Simmons/Ingram/Dunn/Brown. Ben Simmons doesn't have a killer instinct nor can he shoot. The academic issues are a red flag. I tend to think he is more of a Michael Beasley than a Lebron James. #hottake

[freshie2]

Remember that Duke shut down Shaq in the tournament...would you have passed on Shaq?? Duke got knocked out early as well...does Ingram get held to the same standard?

[WVU]

I don't think Ben Simmons has come close to dominating the regular season of college play as Shaq did. To me, Simmons is a product of the hype machine. Not to say he won't be a great player but he is far from a sure-fire superstar

[KramerDSP]

Something just seems off with Ben Simmons. His first game with LSU reminded me of LeBron's first game with Cleveland. Simmons had a few great games with LSU after that, but things fell off the map quickly. I think the situation didn't help at all. I'd love to see what his teammates think about him in the interviews. I think a red flag there could put Ingram #1 on some team's boards.

[Unbreakable99]

If we land the 3rd or 4th pick I think I'm set on drafting Murray. I'd be fine with that. Not a game changer but could be a solid starting SG like Wesley Matthews or he could be a good 6th man.

[Duke4life831]

Something just seems off with Ben Simmons. His first game with LSU reminded me of LeBron's first game with Cleveland. Simmons had a few great games with LSU after that, but things fell off the map quickly. I think the situation didn't help at all. I'd love to see what his teammates think about him in the interviews. I think a red flag there could put Ingram #1 on some team's boards.

You gotta remember who he was playing at the start of the season. He was playing against teams that have losing records in the Sun Belt and A-Sun conferences. Go back and watch those games and you will see he didn't play against guys that were taller than 6-8 and the athleticism difference was massive. The teams he really beat up on and really built all that hype were Div 1 teams that are ranked in the 300s. I've said it all year neither Ingram or Simmons would've gone top 3 in last year's draft or in the 17 draft. Hell I don't think either guy would go top 5 in the 17 draft

[Mik317]

I wouldn't draft Simmons in the first round to be honest. But that Dragan Bender? Yessiree bob...thats a guy right there. Listen up GMs do it.

/jk.

But yeah getting housed in a must win game is not a good look, bad teammates or not. I tend to think that many were looking for reasons to hate Simmons (for protection when we get bent over at the lottery) but yeah thats not a good thing. Wiggins was hella disspointing his freshman year...still made the tourny.

[Negrodamus]

If we land the 3rd or 4th pick I think I'm set on drafting Murray. I'd be fine with that. Not a game changer but could be a solid starting SG like Wesley Matthews or he could be a good 6th man.

I'll say this, he has the highest ppg of any Calipari player since he took over the reigns at UK. That includes Goodwin, who was the only offensively talented player on the Nerlens Noel team. Calipari is known for getting his players to sacrifice shots in order to play team, and winning, basketball. Murray has been no different. If you watched him at the beginning of the year, he forced everything. Now he's playing within the system and is scoring even more.

Like I said at the beginning of the season, he is more talented than D'Angelo Russell in my opinion. The problem is, he's probably similar to Russell on defense.

I will say this, he wouldn't let UK get throttled like LSU did today.

[snoopdogg88]

people are so used to seeing the top prospects to go these big name schools, where they get coached by some of the greats in college ball and become part of a well oiled machine.

ex. Duke, Kansas, Kentucky etc.

Ben Simmons chose to be a little different. He went to a bad program with poor coaching.
I personally admire him going against the grain myself, and don't think its going to really matter once he hits the NBA

[Negrodamus]

people are so used to seeing the top prospects to go these big name schools, where they get coached by some of the greats in college ball and become part of a well oiled machine.

ex. Duke, Kansas, Kentucky etc.

Ben Simmons chose to be a little different. He went to a bad program with poor coaching.
I personally admire him going against the grain myself, and don't think its going to really matter once he hits the NBA

You're definitely right, and I do admire the risk.

I just wished he would run the show himself and not sit in the post because his incompetent coach tells him to. At a certain point, you have to do what you think is right for the team and yourself. If your coach isn't willing to make the change, you have to be "big time" enough to do it yourself.

[Negrodamus]

If you're not watching this UK-UGA game, you are missing out. UGA came to play today and this game has been fun thus far. Lots of running and made shots.

[WVU]

I wouldn't draft Simmons in the first round to be honest. But that Dragan Bender? Yessiree bob...thats a guy right there. Listen up GMs do it.

/jk.

But yeah getting housed in a must win game is not a good look, bad teammates or not. I tend to think that many were looking for reasons to hate Simmons (for protection when we get bent over at the lottery) but yeah thats not a good thing. Wiggins was hella disspointing his freshman year...still made the tourny.

Wiggins also had Embiid

[agiaco]

Murray looking really good. Said a while back I prefer him over Dunn. Wonder what the consensus is right now. Seems like Dunn was a more popular pick earlier in the year.

[XtremeDunkz]

Yeah I think I am convinced. My ideal draft outcome is Ingram and Murray.