OT: Terrorist attacks in Paris

[RebuildaBulls]

Even if US left there will no peace and there will still be other terrorist groups trying to set up a Caliphate. Its a Religion of War in a region that was known for infighting even before Mohammed. Sad truth that's why it's been like this for 1400 years and I see nothing put on the table by any government or experts that will change it

[samwana]

This probably isn't the right thread to put this in, but I still wanted to ask if anyone knows this guy? How legit is this?

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/author/2705-halturner

[DarthDiggler69]

This probably isn't the right thread to put this in, but I still wanted to ask if anyone knows this guy? How legit is this?

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/author/2705-halturner

Dont know who he is but its not any different from all the others conspiracy theorist or armchair prophets who are predicting World War or the End of Times from the Middle East. Yet Everything he stated there has already been know n for a few years, he added no new information I didn't know.
Of course Its possible but I dont think Russia would unless they pull China into it as an ally they arent strong enough by themselves against NATO. NATO plays weak but from what we seen from those countries in the last world Wars when they mobilize they are very very powerful and backed by US, Russia will have to back down.

If there is a world war it wont be over Syria it would be over Eastern Europe, that is where Russia wears its emotions.

And I should add none of the countries are ready for World War like they were in WWI and WWII. If you see drastic military increases and a national draft, thats when you know things are bad.

[red222]

Iran is the key to any real new World War thoughts


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[TimRobbins]

World wars are a thing of the past. It's not going to happen. Russia isn't capable of fighting a war. They're not even fighting one in Syria. All they have there is a couple of dozen planes.

[coldfish]

This probably isn't the right thread to put this in, but I still wanted to ask if anyone knows this guy? How legit is this?

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/author/2705-halturner

I have no idea what the US is doing in the middle east. I have some difficulty believing that the Gulf States would attack Russian forces directly without US coverage and I doubt that the US would risk a global thermonuclear war over Syria. The comments about Obama being a Shia Muslim are laughable. Even if completely true, someone in his administration would put a bullet in him before he tried to end the world as part of a Muslim holy war.

At the end of the day, what is going to happen here is that Russia and Syria are going to take back all of Syria by force while John Kerry, the gulf states and a few others make loud noises.

[DarthDiggler69]

Poor Belgium, most friendliest countries to foreigners in Europe now a haven for terrorists

[DarthDiggler69]

Poor Belgium, most friendliest countries to foreigners in Europe now a haven for terrorists

[musiqsoulchild]

Sad, sad news....

This is medieval.

[musiqsoulchild]

Honest question:

Do we as a country have an appetite for another long drawn out conflict that has a nebulous outcome of who won and who lost?

Just from 1990 onwards, we have had 3 huge deployments specifically in the Middle East - Central Asia:

1) In Kuwait against Saddam --- yes we bombed the hell out of them...but did it change the eventual reality of sectarian violence, terrorism?

2) In Iraq -- after the Weapons of Mass Destruction BS ---- we effectively created Baghdadi and ISIS. No clear winner again and just like in the past, more problems than solutions.

3) In Afghanistan --- legitimate deployment based on retaliation to 9/11 Taliban /Al Qaeda nexus. What was the outcome there? We carpet bombed the whole damn country. And to no avail. Its not until the US (under Obama) took strict measures against Pakistan /ISI/rogue Generals that the Af-Pak region is now relatively more stable.

Basically, nothing works.....because we are looking at this as something that can be solved by force. This situation is solved by actual field work, intelligence and years of effort. There is no magic, overnight solution.

[RebuildaBulls]

its a tough problem because we can kill off these terrorist groups because more will come after them, their ideology cannot be extinguished since it resides in what they worship. just 1400 years of invasions, terror and raiding which will never stop

[musiqsoulchild]

its a tough problem because we can kill off these terrorist groups but more will come after them. just 1400 years of invasions, terror and raiding which will never stop

Yes....that why Islam has to be the origin of the solution. It has to be Jordanians, Egyptians and other Muslim nations that are players in that region.

This, of course is impossible when you have the oil-based economy.

[DarthDiggler69]

its a tough problem because we can kill off these terrorist groups but more will come after them. just 1400 years of invasions, terror and raiding which will never stop

Yes....that why Islam has to be the origin of the solution. It has to be Jordanians, Egyptians and other Muslim nations that are players in that region.

This, of course is impossible when you have the oil-based economy.

Yep, Islam mixed with tons of political fighting among Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Syria, Iran and likely those other small super rich countries like Qatar.

[musiqsoulchild]

And while we're at it, can we stop talking about killing families of terrorists using bullets dipped in pig's blood?

[Droseisthe1]

its a tough problem because we can kill off these terrorist groups but more will come after them. just 1400 years of invasions, terror and raiding which will never stop

Yes....that why Islam has to be the origin of the solution. It has to be Jordanians, Egyptians and other Muslim nations that are players in that region.

This, of course is impossible when you have the oil-based economy.

Definitely. Which is why any efforts to push us toward energy independence has to be supported. Then when we don't have this reliance on Middle East oil, we can truly confront the issue and that is Islam is in need of reform. Stop supporting states that are known terror-sponsors (including Sharia law, i.e. Saudi Arabia) and support the Jordanians and true willing reformers of Islam.

There is direct link to doctrine and action and this is what needs to change

[RebuildaBulls]

Problem with Islam is its not supposed to be re-interpreted, their Quran is believed to be their God's exact words. So they cannot reform it and claim its legitimate to its hardcore believers unfortunately.
Its fortunate that many dont know, misinterpret or turn a blind to their prophets last marching orders to subdue nonbelievers, but terrorists follow it and will always follow it as long as its there.

islamic terror isnt new, there have been thousands of attacks on the West since the ideology started 1400 years ago. its sad that this thing will go on for another thousand years

[musiqsoulchild]

Problem with Islam is its not supposed to be re-interpreted, the Quran is believed to be their God's exact words. So they cannot reform it and claim its legitimate to its hardcore believers unfortunately.
Its fortunate that many dont know, misinterpret or turn a blind to their prophets last marching orders, but terrorists follow it and will always follow it as long as its there.

islamic terror isnt new, there have been thousands of attacks on the West since the ideology started 1400 years ago. its sad that this thing will go on for another thousand years

And before that, was there peace and quiet?

Even in the Old Testament, Coptic Christians ( Pharoahs of yesteryear) were enslaving Jews / Muslims et al.

There is always some god-forsaken rationalization for killing off people in mass numbers. There is an Arab - NonArab conflict in that region that is as old as religion itself.

[RebuildaBulls]

Problem with Islam is its not supposed to be re-interpreted, the Quran is believed to be their God's exact words. So they cannot reform it and claim its legitimate to its hardcore believers unfortunately.
Its fortunate that many dont know, misinterpret or turn a blind to their prophets last marching orders, but terrorists follow it and will always follow it as long as its there.

islamic terror isnt new, there have been thousands of attacks on the West since the ideology started 1400 years ago. its sad that this thing will go on for another thousand years

And before that, was there peace and quiet?

Even in the Old Testament, Coptic Christians ( Pharoahs of yesteryear) were enslaving Jews / Muslims et al.

There is always some god-forsaken rationalization for killing off people in mass numbers.

of course there wasnt peace but Islam made a monopoly on the business of world domination on a different scale. Even the ancient empires of Byzantium(Rome) and Persia were shocked and eventually destroyed by them.
what it comes down to is not what Christians or Muslims believe, its what their book, their prophets last revelations taught and their example. Jesus taught to love, God as the father loves us. Mohammad taught to destroy, we are God's slaves. in summary, I dont look at muslims or christians and judge, i judge by what their God taught them in their last revelation.

Thats a little too into religious beliefs but the last revelation of their Prophet is troubling in chapter 9 of their book, but thats where ISIS starts off

[WIN]

Planning on traveling to Amsterdam then Paris in May, and things like this make me think it may not even be worth it. The chances are very low that one experiences a terrorist attack, but given the fact that security will be so high and people will be in full alert mode, it may not be a very enjoyable experience sadly.

[WIN]

Problem with Islam is its not supposed to be re-interpreted, their Quran is believed to be their God's exact words. So they cannot reform it and claim its legitimate to its hardcore believers unfortunately.
Its fortunate that many dont know, misinterpret or turn a blind to their prophets last marching orders to subdue nonbelievers, but terrorists follow it and will always follow it as long as its there.

islamic terror isnt new, there have been thousands of attacks on the West since the ideology started 1400 years ago. its sad that this thing will go on for another thousand years

I see religion as a tool. Christianity was used by the Nazis as well to push their propaganda. It's the people wielding these tools that are the problem. And the reasoning as to why they are wielding religion as a tool to spread terrorism is even more complicated (even though basic in nature, i.e. pure evil).