OT: Terrorist attacks in Paris

[musiqsoulchild]

This is ONLY true if you do not consider US - Neocon interventionism in distant lands as terrorism.

By most definitions, the term terrorism applies really well to the Cold War and the subsequent ratcheting up by the 2 superpowers of the time, the great game played in Afghanistan, the looting of India, Africa and large parts of China, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, continued US presence and NATO presence in the Middle East.

It's all terrorism. Doesn't matter if it's men in uniform doing it.

Yes, lets avoid the question by spewing out cliches.

I'm not talking about what happened in the past. I'm talking about present time and in the present time and if a person walks into an airport tomorrow, the only people he should rationally fear are Muslims. Sorry for the non-PC talk, but that is the undeniable truth.

If you want to talk about the stupidity of interventionism, then I'm fully with you. Interventionism is stupid. We should not be fighting any wars in the ME and we should not be trying to force our values on any other country/people or to tell anybody else how to solve their disputes.

One thing has nothing to do with another.

How is this a cliche?

What we do has a direct impact on what happens to us at a later stage in life.

Take the Israeli conflict. The one where Egypt's Air Force was thoroughly decimated. Why does the US support Israel?

Is it because of some long lost love for the Jewish race or is it because of the Israeli proximity to the Suez Canal and all of the trade routes that pass through?

It helps that the Israeli's have a strong lobbying group in the US, but without financial interest the US doesn't intervene.

You are over-simplifying this. The US and its allies are seen as global terrorists in many parts of the world.

There are several other examples:

1) The US asking several countries to reduce their nuclear stockpile. That's as rich a joke as you can get on any given Tuesday.

2) The US telling developing countries to reduce pollution. Meanwhile, these countries can't even feed more than half their populations properly.

US "exceptionalism" and the American Dream only work in our country. In many other parts of the world, it's seen as interventionism, bullying, big brother tactics and even terrorism.

[WIN]

You are wrong on all points in bold.

May God have mercy on your ignorant soul.

OK. I'm ignorant. Please enlighten me - state ONE MAJOR terrorist attack in the past year not committed by Muslims. Entertain me.

Why are you leaving your original quote off?

This is what you stated:

Since all major terrorist attacks in our age are carried out by Mulsims, it's perfectly rational and human to fear Islam.

Only a liar would say that he would walk into an airport and not fear Muslims.

Do you not consider all the shootings that have taken place in the past few years, terrorist attacks? Some of those were pretty damn major.

[musiqsoulchild]

You are wrong on all points in bold.

May God have mercy on your ignorant soul.

OK. I'm ignorant. Please enlighten me - state ONE MAJOR terrorist attack in the past year not committed by Muslims. Entertain me.

Sarin gas attack in Japan
David Koresh
Jim Jones
Mass killing of Muslims in communal riots in India

That's just 4 examples that randomly popped into my head. All have religious extremism as their basis.


It doesn't matter that they don't meet the arbitrary qualifier of the last year. These were all fairly recent.

[TheSuzerain]

You are wrong on all points in bold.

May God have mercy on your ignorant soul.

OK. I'm ignorant. Please enlighten me - state ONE MAJOR terrorist attack in the past year not committed by Muslims. Entertain me.

Charleston Church Shooting

[gardenofsound]

You are wrong on all points in bold.

May God have mercy on your ignorant soul.

OK. I'm ignorant. Please enlighten me - state ONE MAJOR terrorist attack in the past year not committed by Muslims. Entertain me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting

How's that?

[DarthDiggler69]

This is ONLY true if you do not consider US - Neocon interventionism in distant lands as terrorism.

By most definitions, the term terrorism applies really well to the Cold War and the subsequent ratcheting up by the 2 superpowers of the time, the great game played in Afghanistan, the looting of India, Africa and large parts of China, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, continued US presence and NATO presence in the Middle East.

It's all terrorism. Doesn't matter if it's men in uniform doing it.

Yes, lets avoid the question by spewing out cliches.

I'm not talking about what happened in the past. I'm talking about present time and in the present time and if a person walks into an airport tomorrow, the only people he should rationally fear are Muslims. Sorry for the non-PC talk, but that is the undeniable truth.

If you want to talk about the stupidity of interventionism, then I'm fully with you. Interventionism is stupid. We should not be fighting any wars in the ME and we should not be trying to force our values on any other country/people or to tell anybody else how to solve their disputes.

One thing has nothing to do with another.

How is this a cliche?

What we do has a direct impact on what happens to us at a later stage in life.

Take the Israeli conflict. The one where Egypt's Air Force was thoroughly decimated. Why does the US support Israel?

Is it because of some long lost love for the Jewish race or is it because of the Israeli proximity to the Suez Canal and all of the trade routes that pass through?

It helps that the Israeli's have a strong lobbying group in the US, but without financial interest the US doesn't intervene.

You are over-simplifying this. The US and its allies are seen as global terrorists in many parts of the world.

There are several other examples:

1) The US asking several countries to reduce their nuclear stockpile. That's as rich a joke as you can get on any given Tuesday.

2) The US telling developing countries to reduce pollution. Meanwhile, these countries can't even feed more than half their populations properly.

US "exceptionalism" and the American Dream only work in our country. In many other parts of the world, it's seen as interventionism, bullying, big brother tactics and even terrorism.

Most of the countries in the world that see US as terrorists are Muslim countries because they are required to hate us or old Soviet Union communist allies who were once enemies of US previously and not on good terms. Only hate I see around the world is from internet outlets like RT News and such. Even when I travel to Europe and Asia I dont see US hate when talking to local people, they know we are on the right side. US didnt help save the world twice and not get noticed

[kingkirk]

You are wrong on all points in bold.

May God have mercy on your ignorant soul.

OK. I'm ignorant. Please enlighten me - state ONE MAJOR terrorist attack in the past year not committed by Muslims. Entertain me.

Why do we fear terrorism but not some whacked out kid with a gun that goes onto murder innocent people?

Is it because one is done under the message of religion and the other because he was 'crazy'.

Someone going nuts in Colorado and killing people in a cinema isn't branded as terrorism despite the result being the same - innoncent people dead.

How can you even ask such a question?

This type of fear and division is exactly how you segment people, casting aside many good people because of a few **** sticks here and there.

This isn't hard. This isn't Islam's fault.

Are we really this ignorant?

[WIN]

Most of the countries in the world that see US as terrorists are Muslim countries because they are required to hate us or old Soviet Union communist allies who were once enemies of US previously and not on good terms. Only hate I see around the world is from internet outlets like RT News and such. But when I travel to Europe and Asia everyone loves the US

Ohhh....Is THAT the reason?

Dude, just stop posting on the topic, you sound ridiculous.

[DarthDiggler69]

Most of the countries in the world that see US as terrorists are Muslim countries because they are required to hate us or old Soviet Union communist allies who were once enemies of US previously and not on good terms. Only hate I see around the world is from internet outlets like RT News and such. But when I travel to Europe and Asia everyone loves the US

Ohhh....Is THAT the reason?

Dude, just stop posting on the topic, you sound ridiculous.

Why? I read alot of history and religion in my spare time for like my whole life, I think I know enough to speak here. Come on now I'm no hater, I am of a minority myself

Q(5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

[YettiBull]

meanwhile our president is in Cuba watching baseball..

[musiqsoulchild]

Yes, lets avoid the question by spewing out cliches.

I'm not talking about what happened in the past. I'm talking about present time and in the present time and if a person walks into an airport tomorrow, the only people he should rationally fear are Muslims. Sorry for the non-PC talk, but that is the undeniable truth.

If you want to talk about the stupidity of interventionism, then I'm fully with you. Interventionism is stupid. We should not be fighting any wars in the ME and we should not be trying to force our values on any other country/people or to tell anybody else how to solve their disputes.

One thing has nothing to do with another.

How is this a cliche?

What we do has a direct impact on what happens to us at a later stage in life.

Take the Israeli conflict. The one where Egypt's Air Force was thoroughly decimated. Why does the US support Israel?

Is it because of some long lost love for the Jewish race or is it because of the Israeli proximity to the Suez Canal and all of the trade routes that pass through?

It helps that the Israeli's have a strong lobbying group in the US, but without financial interest the US doesn't intervene.

You are over-simplifying this. The US and its allies are seen as global terrorists in many parts of the world.

There are several other examples:

1) The US asking several countries to reduce their nuclear stockpile. That's as rich a joke as you can get on any given Tuesday.

2) The US telling developing countries to reduce pollution. Meanwhile, these countries can't even feed more than half their populations properly.

US "exceptionalism" and the American Dream only work in our country. In many other parts of the world, it's seen as interventionism, bullying, big brother tactics and even terrorism.

Most of the countries in the world that see US as terrorists are Muslim countries because they are required to hate us or old Soviet Union communist allies who were once enemies of US previously and not on good terms. Only hate I see around the world is from internet outlets like RT News and such. Even when I travel to Europe and Asia I dont see US hate when talking to local people, they know we are on the right side. US didnt save the world twice for nothing

And you are completely right in your observation.

When you visit Belgium say - you are not going to hang out in Molenbeek. Where you hang out, the people you hang it with - are representative of the overwhelming majority of that particular culture. You probably meet and work within the mainstream.

If you go to Karachi for example, it's a beautiful city. And you can actually have a lot of fun - you'll meet people who echo the positive thoughts about US.

But you would never go to Peshawar. Or, Rawlpindi.

Just like how - if my parents were visiting me from India - I wouldn't take them to see the Robert Taylor homes. That's not a representative sample of Chicaho.

But it exists. And people in such neighborhoods are the forgotten, the marginalized and much more likely to be radicalized.

[WIN]

Most of the countries in the world that see US as terrorists are Muslim countries because they are required to hate us or old Soviet Union communist allies who were once enemies of US previously and not on good terms. Only hate I see around the world is from internet outlets like RT News and such. But when I travel to Europe and Asia everyone loves the US

Ohhh....Is THAT the reason?

Dude, just stop posting on the topic, you sound ridiculous.

Why? I read alot of history and religion in my spare time for like my whole life, I think I know enough to speak here. Come on now I'm no hater, I am of a minority myself

Not trying to be a **** to you, you seem like an alright guy and all, but try putting yourself in some people's shoes sometimes before you judge.

I mean how can you say that the reason Mulsim countries hate the US is simply because they are required to do so, as if there's no reason behind it? I mean don't get me wrong, I'm 100% US and wish all terrorists get destroyed, but for innocent bystanders in Muslim countries that have been bombed unnecessarily, they have a pretty good reason to hate, let's be honest.

Can you imaging yourself living in a 3rd world country with bombs dropping left and right and your children getting blown to pieces? If that happened to you, would you not have SOME hate? I mean come the f on man, don't be so damn ignant.

[gardenofsound]

Most of the countries in the world that see US as terrorists are Muslim countries because they are required to hate us or old Soviet Union communist allies who were once enemies of US previously and not on good terms. Only hate I see around the world is from internet outlets like RT News and such. But when I travel to Europe and Asia everyone loves the US

Ohhh....Is THAT the reason?

Dude, just stop posting on the topic, you sound ridiculous.

Why? I read alot of history and religion in my spare time for like my whole life, I think I know enough to speak here. Come on now I'm no hater, I am of a minority myself

What minority are you? How does simply being a minority preclude you from being a "hater"?

[DarthDiggler69]

Ohhh....Is THAT the reason?

Dude, just stop posting on the topic, you sound ridiculous.

Why? I read alot of history and religion in my spare time for like my whole life, I think I know enough to speak here. Come on now I'm no hater, I am of a minority myself

Not trying to be a **** to you, you seem like an alright guy and all, but try putting yourself in some people's shoes sometimes before you judge.

I mean how can you say that the reason Mulsim countries hate the US is simply because they are required to do so, as if there's no reason behind it? I mean don't get me wrong, I'm 100% US and wish all terrorists get destroyed, but for innocent bystanders in Muslim countries that have been bombed unnecessarily, they have a pretty good reason to hate, let's be honest.

Can you imaging yourself living in a 3rd world country with bombs dropping left and right and your children getting blown to pieces? If that happened to you, would you not have SOME hate? I mean come the f on man, don't be so damn ignant.

Im not judging
Q(5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

[gardenofsound]

As for selective quoting of religious texts... Martin Sheen / President Bartlett:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD52OlkKfNs[/youtube]

[otwok]

You are wrong on all points in bold.

May God have mercy on your ignorant soul.

OK. I'm ignorant. Please enlighten me - state ONE MAJOR terrorist attack in the past year not committed by Muslims. Entertain me.

What's your definition of major? Something that the major news networkcarries?

On November 21st, the New Army's People carried out a terrorist attack in the Philippines. In that same month, a Planned Parenthood in Colorado was attacked by Robert Lewis Dear. In December, the New Army's People carried out another terrorist attack in the Philippines. Earlier this year, there was a terrorist attack in India by the Maoist Communist Party of India. In Feb, CIRA conducted an attack in Dublin.

There is a lot of things going on in the world, if we limit ourselves we end up seeing tunnel vision.

[waffle]

meanwhile our president is in Cuba watching baseball..

he should have predicted this?

what he is doing is very valuable.

[kingkirk]

Common sense is not common.

The basketball conversations have gone to **** here, and now this thread is a damn disgrace.

Where's the empathy gone?

What about the law abiding citizens who follow the ways of Islam? I should fear these people? They must hate the Western world right? It's a requirement, right?

Come the **** on, people.

[TimRobbins]

Why do we fear terrorism but not some whacked out kid with a gun that goes onto murder innocent people?

Is it because one is done under the message of religion and the other because he was 'crazy'.

Someone going nuts in Colorado and killing people in a cinema isn't branded as terrorism despite the result being the same - innoncent people dead.

How can you even ask such a question?

This type of fear and division is exactly how you segment people, casting aside many good people because of a few **** sticks here and there.

This isn't hard. This isn't Islam's fault.

Are we really this ignorant?

Because the nutcase with a gun isn't systematic. We don't fear random acts - we fear systematic acts.

Saying that a psychotic person who shoots random people in a theater is the same as organized terrorism is nothing more than a manner of denial and derailment.

Nobody is ignorant. The facts are what they are - All major terrorism attacks in the world are carried out by Muslims. We're talking about thousands of attacks, so it's hardly a "few people". It's a minority, but not as small as you would like to believe.

Denying the existence of a problem will not make it go away.

[bentheredengthat]

Common sense is not common.

The basketball conversations have gone to **** here, and now this thread is a damn disgrace.

You should have joined us on the politics thread yesterday.

We talked about employment, which took us to immigration, which took us to automation, which took us to global warming, which took us to interplanetary travel, which took us to the speed of light and advanced alien civilizations.

I thoroughly enjoyed it.