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Mark K wrote:What about the law abiding citizens who follow the ways of Islam? I should fear these people? They must hate the Western world right? It's a requirement, right?
TimRobbins wrote:Mark K wrote:Why do we fear terrorism but not some whacked out kid with a gun that goes onto murder innocent people?
Is it because one is done under the message of religion and the other because he was 'crazy'.
Someone going nuts in Colorado and killing people in a cinema isn't branded as terrorism despite the result being the same - innoncent people dead.
How can you even ask such a question?
This type of fear and division is exactly how you segment people, casting aside many good people because of a few **** sticks here and there.
This isn't hard. This isn't Islam's fault.
Are we really this ignorant?
Because the nutcase with a gun isn't systematic. We don't fear random acts - we fear systematic acts.
Saying that a psychotic person who shoots random people in a theater is the same as organized terrorism is nothing more than a manner of denial and derailment.
Nobody is ignorant. The facts are what they are - All major terrorism attacks in the world are carried out by Muslims. We're talking about thousands of attacks, so it's hardly a "few people". It's a minority, but not as small as you would like to believe.
Denying the existence of a problem will not make it go away.
TimRobbins wrote:Because the nutcase with a gun isn't systematic. We don't fear random acts - we fear systematic acts.
Saying that a psychotic person who shoots random people in a theater is the same as organized terrorism is nothing more than a manner of denial and derailment.
Nobody is ignorant. The facts are what they are - All major terrorism attacks in the world are carried out by Muslims. We're talking about thousands of attacks, so it's hardly a "few people". It's a minority, but not as small as you would like to believe.
Denying the existence of a problem will not make it go away.
otwok wrote:What's your definition of major? Something that the major news networkcarries?
On November 21st, the New Army's People carried out a terrorist attack in the Philippines. In that same month, a Planned Parenthood in Colorado was attacked by Robert Lewis Dear. In December, the New Army's People carried out another terrorist attack in the Philippines. Earlier this year, there was a terrorist attack in India by the Maoist Communist Party of India. In Feb, CIRA conducted an attack in Dublin.
There is a lot of things going on in the world, if we limit ourselves we end up seeing tunnel vision.
TimRobbins wrote:Nope, we shouldn't fear them, but since we can't tell the difference at first glance, it is perfectly rational and human to fear them.
Denial will solve nothing. The problem exists whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
TimRobbins wrote:Mark K wrote:What about the law abiding citizens who follow the ways of Islam? I should fear these people? They must hate the Western world right? It's a requirement, right?
Nope, we shouldn't fear them, but since we can't tell the difference at first glance, it is perfectly rational and human to fear them.
Denial will solve nothing. The problem exists whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
Mark K wrote:Nut cases with gun issues in the States isn't systematic, despite their frequency, but terrorism is?
Ok.
You're, in fact, terribly ignorant. You've had several people point out to you other terrorism events commuted by other creeds of people, yet you're suggesting no one is ignorant?
Please.
If you're going to speak in absolutes, be right. You aren't.
CBS7 wrote:TimRobbins wrote:Mark K wrote:What about the law abiding citizens who follow the ways of Islam? I should fear these people? They must hate the Western world right? It's a requirement, right?
Nope, we shouldn't fear them, but since we can't tell the difference at first glance, it is perfectly rational and human to fear them.
Denial will solve nothing. The problem exists whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
If statistics is the reason you claim this, is it rational and human to fear, say, blacks?
DarthDiggler69 wrote:I can relate Islam with terror off the bat. I got many of them I wanted to post but these are really specific:
Q (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast TERROR into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Q (8:12) - "I will cast TERROR into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with TERROR"
Mark K wrote:Can't tell at first glance? Oh boy.
"Oh look, there's a Muslim man walking down the street. He's probably OK, but who can tell these days? We should probably ban his faith, just to be sure."
CBS7 wrote:DarthDiggler69 wrote:I can relate Islam with terror off the bat. I got many of them I wanted to post but these are really specific:
Q (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast TERROR into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Q (8:12) - "I will cast TERROR into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with TERROR"
Its my understanding that they were at war when these were revealed, which makes this less scary and more of "hype our people up" think.
TimRobbins wrote:Mark K wrote:Nut cases with gun issues in the States isn't systematic, despite their frequency, but terrorism is?
Ok.
You're, in fact, terribly ignorant. You've had several people point out to you other terrorism events commuted by other creeds of people, yet you're suggesting no one is ignorant?
Please.
If you're going to speak in absolutes, be right. You aren't.
Nut cases with guns aren't systemic. They are not coordinated and they are not fighting for a single cause. It has nothing to do with frequency.
I'm hardly ignorant. Communist Insurgent groups in the Philippines and India are not terrorist groups. Nobody in the world defines them as such. I would be a little more careful with the word "ignorant" if I was you. You should at least know what you're talking about before using it so quickly. I don't think you know what terrorism is.
I am right and it is absolute.
CBS7 wrote:If statistics is the reason you claim this, is it rational and human to fear, say, blacks?
DarthDiggler69 wrote:CBS7 wrote:DarthDiggler69 wrote:I can relate Islam with terror off the bat. I got many of them I wanted to post but these are really specific:
Q (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast TERROR into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Q (8:12) - "I will cast TERROR into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with TERROR"
Its my understanding that they were at war when these were revealed, which makes this less scary and more of "hype our people up" think.
Q (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."
Its clearly not about war