OT: Terrorist attacks in Paris

[kingkirk]

i know i am biased i think grouping christianity and muslim as just two crazy religions is insane. Jesus was sinless and taught to love each other whose kingdom was in heaven. Mohammad was a warlord whose kingdom is of the this earth so needed to conquer. Now take out christians and muslims, in simple terms, who was a better role model for your kids?

The better role model for my kids – when I plan on having some – are those that don’t try to segregate other religions to prop up their own whilst only presenting one argument or perspective.

[cammac]

There are tens of Millions (if not hundreds of millions) of people on this earth who believe Islam and sharia law should be forced on all non-believers. Are you unaware of this?

So no, they are currently unable to come to my home and force me to convert or die, but there isn't a shortage of people who would like to do that if they could.

Who is forcing Islamic faith in the Western World? What do you think the attacks were about today? Have you heard of ISIS?

I hadn’t heard of ISIS. Thank you for informing. I’ll get to work on my underground bunker to protect me from a Holy War as soon as I get home from work.

So no one is currently coming to your home and forcing Islam on you, but you fear them? Hmmm.

I think as people who live in Australia & Canada we have a different perspective of the world. Yes both have had terrorist attacks but no different a someone going postal just individual actions by crazed people who happened to be Muslim. I know in Canada the Muslim community and Mullahs work closely with the police and CSIS to help them identify potential terrorists. Obviously every country has people who will deface mosques or to harm Muslims but the community comes together to help.

I think those in the Muslims in Middle East and Africa, who’ve been victimised by those of their own religion, have far more to fear than you, Tim.

[RebuildaBulls]

i know i am biased i think grouping christianity and muslim as just two crazy religions is insane. Jesus was sinless and taught to love each other whose kingdom was in heaven. Mohammad was a warlord whose kingdom is of the this earth so needed to conquer. Now take out christians and muslims, in simple terms, who was a better role model for your kids?

The better role model for my kids – when I plan on having some – are those that don’t try to segregate other religions to prop up their own whilst only presenting one argument or perspective.

thats why I said we are the worst examples, Jesus and Mohammad speak for themselves

Read the gospel and quran for yourselves, I said no lie there, its all there

[kingkirk]

thats why I said we are the worst examples, Jesus and Mohammad speak for themselves

Read the gospel and quran for yourselves, I said no lie there, its all there

You say we are the worst examples, then only present your perspective of what Jesus and Mohammed represent. You're taking "you and I" out of it, but you're still presenting a biased view, no?

[AKfanatic]

i know i am biased but i think grouping christianity and muslim as just two crazy religions is insane. Jesus was sinless and taught to love each other whose kingdom was in heaven. Mohammad was a warlord whose kingdom is of the this earth, needed to conquer and who said heaven is under the shade of a sword.

Now take out christians and muslims because they are the worst examples, in simple terms, who was a better role model for your kids?

Does the bible not have violence and killing in the name of God?

Has not the bible been editited by man to fit his means?

Be it the Quran or the Christian bible, it can be interpreted to suit whatever purpose he who reads it deems necassary.

[AKfanatic]

Awful lot of stone casting at an entire religion.....

[kingkirk]

i know i am biased but i think grouping christianity and muslim as just two crazy religions is insane. Jesus was sinless and taught to love each other whose kingdom was in heaven. Mohammad was a warlord whose kingdom is of the this earth, needed to conquer and who said heaven is under the shade of a sword.

Now take out christians and muslims because they are the worst examples, in simple terms, who was a better role model for your kids?

Does the bible not have violence and killing in the name of God?

Has not the bible been editited by man to fit his means?

Be it the Quran or the Christian bible, it can be interpreted to suit whatever purpose he who reads it deems necassary.

Not to mention those who follow the Christian bible routinely break its rules, unless of course, as you suggest, they rework it to fit their ideals and justify their actions.

But, I digress. Let's continue to take action on those Muslims forcing their religion upon us all!

[RebuildaBulls]

thats why I said we are the worst examples, Jesus and Mohammad speak for themselves

Read the gospel and quran for yourselves, I said no lie there, its all there

You say we are the worst examples, then only present your perspective of what Jesus and Mohammed represent. You're taking "you and I" out of it, but you're still presenting a biased view, no?

I only said that to not sound offensive because this is a sensative topic to many lol But I stated facts and its from whats written in the Gospel, Quran and Hadith. It would be hard to find a devout Muslim or Christian to dispute it. Im not here to convert lol I just like talking about Religion

[Swarles Xavier]

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I think this is relevant.

[RebuildaBulls]

Just FYI some muslims do not belief in the hadiths and consider them similar to how they perceive the bible - substantially human produced fiction.

if you are Sunni you believe in the Hadith, you have no choice. i know for Shia its optional

Hahaha

Do you believe that all muslims are Sunni or Shia? A LOT of muslims would never identify as Sunni or Shia because sects are clearly not supposed to be part of the muslim way of life as described in the quran.

And what do you mean you have no choice? Everyone has a choice in what they believe. Beliefs are thoughts. They are free by definition.

Im pretty confident they do, why do you think Sunni and Shia have been killing each other since Ali was assasinated 1300 years ago and the split happened and are still fighting now?

yes as free thinkers they have a choice on what they believe, but thats not what the Quran commands.

[League Circles]

if you are Sunni you believe in the Hadith, you have no choice. i know for Shia its optional

Hahaha

Do you believe that all muslims are Sunni or Shia? A LOT of muslims would never identify as Sunni or Shia because sects are clearly not supposed to be part of the muslim way of life as described in the quran.

And what do you mean you have no choice? Everyone has a choice in what they believe. Beliefs are thoughts. They are free by definition.

Im pretty confident they do, why do you think Sunni and Shia have been killing each other since Ali was assasinated 1300 years ago and the split happened and are still fighting now?

yes as free thinkers they have a choice on what they believe, but thats not what the Quran commands.

You are pretty confident they do what?

Many would argue that the Qur'an commands believers to NOT follow hadith, as opposed to commanding them to follow them.

Regarding your other comments relating to the moral comparison between christianity/jesus and islam/muhammad, it seems that you are elevating morality above religion. For a lot of people, morality has no meaning without religion, in the sense that they believe that what is "right" is synonymous with what God commands them to do. Do you understand the distinction?

[RebuildaBulls]

Hahaha

Do you believe that all muslims are Sunni or Shia? A LOT of muslims would never identify as Sunni or Shia because sects are clearly not supposed to be part of the muslim way of life as described in the quran.

And what do you mean you have no choice? Everyone has a choice in what they believe. Beliefs are thoughts. They are free by definition.

Im pretty confident they do, why do you think Sunni and Shia have been killing each other since Ali was assasinated 1300 years ago and the split happened and are still fighting now?

yes as free thinkers they have a choice on what they believe, but thats not what the Quran commands.

You are pretty confident they do what?

Many would argue that the Qur'an commands believers to NOT follow hadith, as opposed to commanding them to follow them.

Regarding your other comments relating to the moral comparison between christianity/jesus and islam/muhammad, it seems that you are elevating morality above religion. For a lot of people, morality has no meaning without religion, in the sense that they believe that what is "right" is synonymous with what God commands them to do. Do you understand the distinction?

Very confident they do, and Im not talking about Americanized Muslims.

yup I know what you mean, my whole thing earlier was addressing someone elses post

[League Circles]

Im pretty confident they do, why do you think Sunni and Shia have been killing each other since Ali was assasinated 1300 years ago and the split happened and are still fighting now?

yes as free thinkers they have a choice on what they believe, but thats not what the Quran commands.

You are pretty confident they do what?

Many would argue that the Qur'an commands believers to NOT follow hadith, as opposed to commanding them to follow them.

Regarding your other comments relating to the moral comparison between christianity/jesus and islam/muhammad, it seems that you are elevating morality above religion. For a lot of people, morality has no meaning without religion, in the sense that they believe that what is "right" is synonymous with what God commands them to do. Do you understand the distinction?

Very confident they do, and Im not talking about Americanized Muslims.

yup I know what you mean, my whole thing earlier was addressing someone elses post

I still don't know what you are referring to when you say "they do".

[RebuildaBulls]

You are pretty confident they do what?

Many would argue that the Qur'an commands believers to NOT follow hadith, as opposed to commanding them to follow them.

Regarding your other comments relating to the moral comparison between christianity/jesus and islam/muhammad, it seems that you are elevating morality above religion. For a lot of people, morality has no meaning without religion, in the sense that they believe that what is "right" is synonymous with what God commands them to do. Do you understand the distinction?

Very confident they do, and Im not talking about Americanized Muslims.

yup I know what you mean, my whole thing earlier was addressing someone elses post

I still don't know what you are referring to when you say "they do".

as in refer to each other as Sunni or Shia. Maybe in the US they dont care but it other countries they are killing each other about it for 1300 years

[League Circles]

Very confident they do, and Im not talking about Americanized Muslims.

yup I know what you mean, my whole thing earlier was addressing someone elses post

I still don't know what you are referring to when you say "they do".

as in refer to each other as Sunni or Shia.

Of course some do. Many, many, many millions don't. They'd consider it a sin to label themselves as part of a sect. I've known muslims from a number of countries that feel this way. And though yes there have been sunni and shia fighting each other for 1300 years, the absolute overwhelming majority of people who identify as muslims have never fought anyone.

[RebuildaBulls]

I still don't know what you are referring to when you say "they do".

as in refer to each other as Sunni or Shia.

Of course some do. Many, many, many millions don't. They'd consider it a sin to label themselves as part of a sect. I've known muslims from a number of countries that feel this way. And though yes there have been sunni and shia fighting each other for 1300 years, the absolute overwhelming majority of people who identify as muslims have never fought anyone.

Shia according to ISIS and other terror groups are appostates and the Middle East is split between Shia and Sunni alliances, so at least there they really care about it and oil of course.

i know many muslims and they even talk about Shia like they are traitors

90% of muslims are sunni so you wont see much conflict other than the middle east where all the Shia are in mostly Iran and Iraq

[musiqsoulchild]

So, is it just a Muslim civil war that the West has made worse by picking sides based on economic expediency ( oil, trade routes etc.)?

Don't tell me the answer to that question - we already know it don't we?

[League Circles]

as in refer to each other as Sunni or Shia.

Of course some do. Many, many, many millions don't. They'd consider it a sin to label themselves as part of a sect. I've known muslims from a number of countries that feel this way. And though yes there have been sunni and shia fighting each other for 1300 years, the absolute overwhelming majority of people who identify as muslims have never fought anyone.

Shia according to ISIS and other terror groups are appostates and the Middle East is split between Shia and Sunni alliances, so at least there they really care about it and oil of course.

i know many muslims and they even talk about Shia like they are traitors

90% of muslims are sunni so you wont see much conflict other than the middle east where all the Shia are in mostly Iran and Iraq

I guarantee you that 90% of muslims don't self-identify as sunni. They are labeled that by non-muslims as a way to categorize based on common historical beliefs, not common identity.

Yes, there is a tiny minority of people who identify as muslims who fight each other. Maybe that's why God warns against sectarianism - it inspires violence.

[RebuildaBulls]

Of course some do. Many, many, many millions don't. They'd consider it a sin to label themselves as part of a sect. I've known muslims from a number of countries that feel this way. And though yes there have been sunni and shia fighting each other for 1300 years, the absolute overwhelming majority of people who identify as muslims have never fought anyone.

Shia according to ISIS and other terror groups are appostates and the Middle East is split between Shia and Sunni alliances, so at least there they really care about it and oil of course.

i know many muslims and they even talk about Shia like they are traitors

90% of muslims are sunni so you wont see much conflict other than the middle east where all the Shia are in mostly Iran and Iraq

I guarantee you that 90% of muslims don't self-identify as sunni. They are labeled that by non-muslims as a way to categorize based on common historical beliefs, not common identity.

Yes, there is a tiny minority of people who identify as muslims who fight each other. Maybe that's why God warns against sectarianism - it inspires violence.

well of course both sides consider themselves the true version of the religion otherwise they wouldnt have been fighting each other for a thousand years because penalty for apostates or blasphemy is death

[dice]

Of course some do. Many, many, many millions don't. They'd consider it a sin to label themselves as part of a sect. I've known muslims from a number of countries that feel this way. And though yes there have been sunni and shia fighting each other for 1300 years, the absolute overwhelming majority of people who identify as muslims have never fought anyone.

Shia according to ISIS and other terror groups are appostates and the Middle East is split between Shia and Sunni alliances, so at least there they really care about it and oil of course.

i know many muslims and they even talk about Shia like they are traitors

90% of muslims are sunni so you wont see much conflict other than the middle east where all the Shia are in mostly Iran and Iraq

I guarantee you that 90% of muslims don't self-identify as sunni. They are labeled that by non-muslims as a way to categorize based on common historical beliefs, not common identity.

Yes, there is a tiny minority of people who identify as muslims who fight each other. Maybe that's why God warns against sectarianism - it inspires violence.