"WCIHAoTDP?" - 2016 Draft Thread P.2

rroby · Post #101 » by **rroby** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:27 pm

I've been a Heild from the beginning. Need players to be able to put the ball in the hole in the 4th qtr.

KumaJG · Post #102 » by **KumaJG** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:01 pm

If we going to draft an undersized two guard we might as go with Kris Dunn or Jamal Murray. Hield not worth the top 5 pick.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #103 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:49 pm

My concern about this team is that the speed of their rebuild once again depends on their lucky in the lottery. Celtics get the first or second pick maybe they can trade it for a good player. If not we are looking at another disappointing lottery where we could end up with another underwhelming player like Marcus Smart.

threrf23 · Post #104 » by **threrf23** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:32 am

Murta wrote:I was always on the record how Jaylen Brown has a low NBA floor and that he needs a good coach like Thibs or Stevens, but I never expected to see that floor in multiple college games in a row because he's such an overwhelming athletic presence. That's frightening. I'm starting to think his downside is more problematic than I initially thought. Definitely slid from my top 4 to around #7.

I believe Jaylen Brown suffered an injury to his non-shooting hand the day before Cal's first round exit. But man was he horrid in that game. 4 points on 1-6 shooting, 7 TOs, 5 fouls, 2 rebounds and 0s across the rest of the board. I'll keep an open mind if he returns to school next season. But he didn't sound like a slam dunk prospect to begin with. I'm not taking him at #7.

OFWGKTA · Post #105 » by **OFWGKTA** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:33 am

Houston by 3, suck it Dallas!

SMTBSI · Post #106 » by **SMTBSI** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:53 am

Just gotta win that lotto, get the #12 from Dallas, and package it in a move up. Walk with Simmons and Hield. That's enough potential to make even the worst curmudgeons (no relation) feel okay about things for a while.

galipeautim · Post #107 » by **galipeautim** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:54 am

threrf23 wrote:
Murta wrote:I was always on the record how Jaylen Brown has a low NBA floor and that he needs a good coach like Thibs or Stevens, but I never expected to see that floor in multiple college games in a row because he's such an overwhelming athletic presence. That's frightening. I'm starting to think his downside is more problematic than I initially thought. Definitely slid from my top 4 to around #7.

I believe Jaylen Brown suffered an injury to his non-shooting hand the day before Cal's first round exit. But man was he horrid in that game. 4 points on 1-6 shooting, 7 TOs, 5 fouls, 2 rebounds and 0s across the rest of the board. I'll keep an open mind if he returns to school next season. But he didn't sound like a slam dunk prospect to begin with. I'm not taking him at #7.

Even if injury were an excuse, not the case here. It was Brown's teammate who injured his hand, not Brown.

greenroom31 · Post #108 » by **greenroom31** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:34 pm

Looking like the Nets will almost certainly hand over a top 7 pick, and that we will have lots of options as there's a pool of around 5 guys who arguably could be ranked #3 on a particular GM's board (Hield, Bender, Brown, Dunn, Murray). Just like every year there's been a lot of talk about the lack of talent in this draft, but as it gets closer the usual tiers are forming and top 7 is a good spot to be in. We can:

1) Take best player available (which if we finally get any lottery luck could be top 3).
2) Package the Brooklyn pick with the Dallas pick (and/or other picks in the draft) to move up to 3-4 range to get anyone we want outside of Ingram or Simmons.
3) Trade the pick(s) as part of a package for a player.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #109 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:16 pm

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:My concern about this team is that the speed of their rebuild once again depends on their lucky in the lottery.

You could probably say that about all of the teams rebuilding. Considering the fact that the Celtics only spent 1 season in the lottery, and are getting 1, maybe 2, lottery picks this season while making the playoffs, I'd say that they're ahead of the curve. Most rebuilds consist of multiple years in the lottery.

Post #110 » by **Slartibartfast** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:44 pm

threrf23 wrote:
Murta wrote:I was always on the record how Jaylen Brown has a low NBA floor and that he needs a good coach like Thibs or Stevens, but I never expected to see that floor in multiple college games in a row because he's such an overwhelming athletic presence. That's frightening. I'm starting to think his downside is more problematic than I initially thought. Definitely slid from my top 4 to around #7.

I believe Jaylen Brown suffered an injury to his non-shooting hand the day before Cal's first round exit. But man was he horrid in that game. 4 points on 1-6 shooting, 7 TOs, 5 fouls, 2 rebounds and 0s across the rest of the board. I'll keep an open mind if he returns to school next season. But he didn't sound like a slam dunk prospect to begin with. I'm not taking him at #7.

So many Corey Maggette similarities - athletic specimen and free throw drawing wrecking ball + almost nothing else.

But DeRozan turned into a decent overall player with similar red flags, so I could talk myself into him I guess.

ConstableGeneva · Post #111 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:48 pm

greenroom31 wrote:Looking like the Nets will almost certainly hand over a top 7 pick...

Curry was taken at #7. Thabeet at #2, Flynn at #6. I don't know what my point is 'cos I'd still rather we win the lottery lol.

Gomes3PC · Post #112 » by **Gomes3PC** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:09 pm

threrf23 wrote:
Murta wrote:I was always on the record how Jaylen Brown has a low NBA floor and that he needs a good coach like Thibs or Stevens, but I never expected to see that floor in multiple college games in a row because he's such an overwhelming athletic presence. That's frightening. I'm starting to think his downside is more problematic than I initially thought. Definitely slid from my top 4 to around #7.

I believe Jaylen Brown suffered an injury to his non-shooting hand the day before Cal's first round exit. But man was he horrid in that game. 4 points on 1-6 shooting, 7 TOs, 5 fouls, 2 rebounds and 0s across the rest of the board. I'll keep an open mind if he returns to school next season. But he didn't sound like a slam dunk prospect to begin with. I'm not taking him at #7.

The only part of Brown's game that is NBA ready is his body. Everything else is a complete ? mark.

Crossy2008 · Post #113 » by **Crossy2008** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:30 am

This draft has got me turned around so many times I am not sure what I think. Simmons seems like he would be better on a young team like the lakers where he can take his lumps and have some flashy plays. Ingram is such a good shooter that he is probably the best player that will come out of this draft, at least for the first few seasons. I would be more than happy if Ingram landed on the Celtics. The next group has Dunn, who I think most of us would agree the Celtics would not likely select because point guard is our least needed position to fill. Then there is Bender, and Hield with Hield being less of a need outside of shooting, but we do need shooting, and Bender is someone I think would be a great addition to this team.

My ideal draft would involve getting Bender, and then getting either Hield or Ingram. For that to happen I think we would need to get the top pick and select Ingram, as I am not sure that Simmons will go first. Then with the 12th (hopefully) pick, we trade up to 5th or 6th and select Bender. There are a lot of teams that will be in the lottery that don't need bigs. Philly, Minny, Phoenix, Sac, and Denver all have good young bigs, so as long as those teams are picking early there is a chance that Bender drops far enough for the Celtics to trade up and grab him.

Ben-N1ce · Post #114 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:37 am

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:My concern about this team is that the speed of their rebuild once again depends on their lucky in the lottery. Celtics get the first or second pick maybe they can trade it for a good player. If not we are looking at another disappointing lottery where we could end up with another underwhelming player like Marcus Smart.

It's about drafting the right player. Frankly the year Smart was drafted was pretty much a steaming pile over all looking back IMO.

Crossy2008 · Post #115 » by **Crossy2008** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:16 am

Ben-N1ce wrote:
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:My concern about this team is that the speed of their rebuild once again depends on their lucky in the lottery. Celtics get the first or second pick maybe they can trade it for a good player. If not we are looking at another disappointing lottery where we could end up with another underwhelming player like Marcus Smart.

It's about drafting the right player. Frankly the year Smart was drafted was pretty much a steaming pile over all looking back IMO.

I think we are still in the too early to tell phase. As down as we are on Smart, the one thing that I think most of us can't be down on him for is his work ethic. At the end of the day, that may be the most important ingredient that goes into making great players. Smart is still a senior in college essentially, and we all may want to see a player be a good offensive player in the NBA right out of the gate, but Smart is putting in the time. Because his defense is immediately near the top of the list for guards, I am willing to give his offense either time to develop, or time to adjust to a more suitable offensive game. We would all be kidding ourselves if we thought that Smart was not aware of his offensive offense. The good news is that he is a person and can learn from studying and practicing, and his only job professionally is to become a very good basketball player, and I think he will be.

Post #116 » by **165bows** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:05 pm

Ed Isaacson's write-up on Simmons.

There has been no more unique player in college basketball over the last few years, but it also makes Simmons’s weaknesses more glaring once you see what he is capable of...

Simmons didn’t seem to show very much that was new in his one college seasons, and the lack of effort was stunning at times. He has seemed to coast by on his size and ability to this point, but he will need to put in more work at the next level. Even when he seemed to carry the team on his back, which he had to do in the second half of games often this season, it just left you wondering what took him so long to take over. There is an immense amount of talent here, and there are still so many areas where he can, and will, improve, but it’s on Simmons now to make the most of it...

While the backlash in the past month or so about Simmons has been seriously overblown, the questions about his effort and weaknesses won’t go away over the next few months. The lack of ability to knock down open jumpers, as well as some deficiencies on defense will also need to be addressed sooner rather than later. Still, Simmons is a very unique player, and will still be seriously considered by anyone with the top pick. This may be a rare case where fit may come into play, rather than best player available, when deciding who to take at number one, as it can be tough to see where Simmons’ skill set may be best used by some teams who have a good chance at that top pick. The spacing at the NBA level may be a benefit to him, especially with his ability to create mismatches off the dribble, but it can also hurt him on the defensive end, where it’s unclear who he will be able to defend well right now. Even with all the questions, Simmons could be a future All-Star, maybe more, but he will need to work on his weak areas consistently to find improvement.

http://hoopshabit.com/2016/03/29/scouting-report-ben-simmons/

greenroom31 · Post #117 » by **greenroom31** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:39 pm

If this was already posted I apologize, but decent quotes on Hield from teammates, other players and coaches: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15091434/teammates-coaches-opponents-oklahoma-sooners-buddy-hield-give-their-view

One of the main themes is his work ethic and time in the gym. One highlight:

Shaka Smart, Texas coach - Anytime anyone in our program has been in OU's arena ever, Buddy has been in there working on his game. Night before the game, practice, day of the game, shootaround, when we arrive 90 minutes before the game, he's always there. The guy is always working.

celticfan42487 · Post #118 » by **celticfan42487** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:36 pm

165bows wrote:Ed Isaacson's write-up on Simmons.

There has been no more unique player in college basketball over the last few years, but it also makes Simmons’s weaknesses more glaring once you see what he is capable of...

Simmons didn’t seem to show very much that was new in his one college seasons, and the lack of effort was stunning at times. He has seemed to coast by on his size and ability to this point, but he will need to put in more work at the next level. Even when he seemed to carry the team on his back, which he had to do in the second half of games often this season, it just left you wondering what took him so long to take over. There is an immense amount of talent here, and there are still so many areas where he can, and will, improve, but it’s on Simmons now to make the most of it...

While the backlash in the past month or so about Simmons has been seriously overblown, the questions about his effort and weaknesses won’t go away over the next few months. The lack of ability to knock down open jumpers, as well as some deficiencies on defense will also need to be addressed sooner rather than later. Still, Simmons is a very unique player, and will still be seriously considered by anyone with the top pick. This may be a rare case where fit may come into play, rather than best player available, when deciding who to take at number one, as it can be tough to see where Simmons’ skill set may be best used by some teams who have a good chance at that top pick. The spacing at the NBA level may be a benefit to him, especially with his ability to create mismatches off the dribble, but it can also hurt him on the defensive end, where it’s unclear who he will be able to defend well right now. Even with all the questions, Simmons could be a future All-Star, maybe more, but he will need to work on his weak areas consistently to find improvement.

http://hoopshabit.com/2016/03/29/scouting-report-ben-simmons/

He just sounds like Aaron Gordon.

Wes-J · Post #119 » by **Wes-J** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 2:14 am

Simmons is still the top prospect. On talent alone he would be the top prospect in many drafts or least in the conversation. No sense in overanalyzing it, have yet to see the perfect talent.

radcot · Post #120 » by **radcot** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 2:28 pm

It's still early in the draft process of course, but, with one notable exception, NBADraft.net and DraftExpress agree on the identity -- though not the order -- of the first 7 picks in the 2016 draft (both agree on Simmons, Ingram, Bender, Dunn, J. Murray, Hield). NBADraft has Sabonis at 5 (DE has him at 19!). DE has J. Brown at 4. (NBAdraft has him at 8). So, judging from these sites at least, it seems pretty clear that the top tier stops at 7 or maybe 8).

The second tier, though, is a different story altogether. Some of the disagreements (in addition to the wide gap on Sabonis):

Rabb NBADraft 8; DE 14
Ellenson DE 9; NBADraft 18
D. Murray NBADraft 10; DE 34 (!)
D. Jackson DE 11; NBADraft 32 (!)
B. Johnson NBADraft 11; DE 33 (!)
Luwawu DE 12; NBADraft 20
M. Beasley NBADraft 13; DE 29
D. Davis DE 13; NBADraft has him not entering