Hawks Trade Scenarios For Jeff Teague

[ATLHawksfan21]

I would rather re-sign both players than trade Teague for some mediocre package just to say we traded him. Our offense thrives when our points are breaking down the defense and it is a huge plus for us to have 2 who can do so. With a skyrocketing cap and the full bird rights to both players, I would rather keep both.

I say let Bazemore go, use our available cap to resign Humphries and to find a starting SF and then go over the cap to sign Horford.

You have to balance the basketball side and the business side. And the business side you are talking about is not realistic.

You are basically saying, that we tell Teague behind closed doors that "we will resign you, give you the money you want, but as soon as the six months are up, we are trading you right away."

Now you are putting words in my mouth because that is not what I said at all.

Please show me where I said to trade Teague after signing him. I clearly said keep both unless some great package becomes available. I have zero interest in trading Teague for a George Hill or a mid-round pick.

This team goes as our point guards go and it is beneficial for us to have 2 explosive point guards that can take over at any time. Find a SF that isn't undersized and I have no problem playing Teague and Shredder together with the SF, Millsap or Horford, Humphries. I expect Dennis to put on a little more size and improve his jumpshot some more in the offseason. Once he has a reliable 3 ball, there shouldn't be much of an issue with playing those 2 together.

[atlantabbq99]

I would rather re-sign both players than trade Teague for some mediocre package just to say we traded him. Our offense thrives when our points are breaking down the defense and it is a huge plus for us to have 2 who can do so. With a skyrocketing cap and the full bird rights to both players, I would rather keep both.

I say let Bazemore go, use our available cap to resign Humphries and to find a starting SF and then go over the cap to sign Horford.

You have to balance the basketball side and the business side. And the business side you are talking about is not realistic.

You are basically saying, that we tell Teague behind closed doors that "we will resign you, give you the money you want, but as soon as the six months are up, we are trading you right away."

Now you are putting words in my mouth because that is not what I said at all.

Please show me where I said to trade Teague after signing him. I clearly said keep both unless some great package becomes available. I have zero interest in trading Teague for a George Hill or a mid-round pick.

This team goes as our point guards go and it is beneficial for us to have 2 explosive point guards that can take over at any time. Find a SF that isn't undersized and I have no problem playing Teague and Shredder together with the SF, Millsap or Horford, Humphries. I expect Dennis to put on a little more size and improve his jumpshot some more in the offseason. Once he has a reliable 3 ball, there shouldn't be much of an issue with playing those 2 together.

If you think that DS is going to sign a second contract and be okay with still playing behind Teague, then you are being unrealistic again.

[atlantabbq99]

I would rather re-sign both players than trade Teague for some mediocre package just to say we traded him. Our offense thrives when our points are breaking down the defense and it is a huge plus for us to have 2 who can do so. With a skyrocketing cap and the full bird rights to both players, I would rather keep both.

I say let Bazemore go, use our available cap to resign Humphries and to find a starting SF and then go over the cap to sign Horford.

Also, letting Baz go is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. Carroll was 30yr when the Hawks let him walk, so i understand that. Baz is only 25yr.

[ATLHawksfan21]

You have to balance the basketball side and the business side. And the business side you are talking about is not realistic.

You are basically saying, that we tell Teague behind closed doors that "we will resign you, give you the money you want, but as soon as the six months are up, we are trading you right away."

Now you are putting words in my mouth because that is not what I said at all.

Please show me where I said to trade Teague after signing him. I clearly said keep both unless some great package becomes available. I have zero interest in trading Teague for a George Hill or a mid-round pick.

This team goes as our point guards go and it is beneficial for us to have 2 explosive point guards that can take over at any time. Find a SF that isn't undersized and I have no problem playing Teague and Shredder together with the SF, Millsap or Horford, Humphries. I expect Dennis to put on a little more size and improve his jumpshot some more in the offseason. Once he has a reliable 3 ball, there shouldn't be much of an issue with playing those 2 together.

If you think that DS is going to sign a second contract and be okay with still playing behind Teague, then you are being unrealistic again.

How am I being unrealistic when Dennis is a RESTRICTED free agent. Dennis will be fine as long as he gets his fair share of minutes. Some added strength and a reliable jumper will allow those 2 to play with one another.

[ATLHawksfan21]

I would rather re-sign both players than trade Teague for some mediocre package just to say we traded him. Our offense thrives when our points are breaking down the defense and it is a huge plus for us to have 2 who can do so. With a skyrocketing cap and the full bird rights to both players, I would rather keep both.

I say let Bazemore go, use our available cap to resign Humphries and to find a starting SF and then go over the cap to sign Horford.

Also, letting Baz go is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. Carroll was 30yr when the Hawks let him walk, so i understand that. Baz is only 25yr.

Baze is undersized
He is going to be overpaid
Teague is better than him and has a larger impact on this team

I love Baze but I am keeping Teague over him if their contracts fall in a similar range.

[PandaKidd]

Bazemore is GONE. BOOK IT. Hes going to get 10-13 million and I dont think the Hawks are going to go that route. The cap is increasing, but they have BIG BIG BIG contracts to sign coming up. Lets look:
Horford this year
Millsap the following year
Teague the following year

Thabo/Korver are coming up IIRC as well.

DS will demand a trade , theres no way he plays behind Teague. Ill almost bet if DS doesnt get the starting job by NEXT year, he will demand a trade. You can say you want 2 great PGs all you want, but that NEVER works out. See: Reggie Jackson, Bledsoe, DJ Augistin etc. They NEVER stick around, they go be the starter somewhere else.

So, I agree wholeheartedly that Bazemore is gone. Hes undersized, they need another SF and I didnt believe he was the SF of the future for this team. I think they may be seeing if THJ can take over the 2 guard spot eventually. if not hes a decent bench piece.

They should do everything in their power to resign Humphries and try and dump splitter IMO. Splitter is ALWAYS injured.

The problem is that core starts to look REALLY REALLY old with Millsap/Korver/Horford/Teague will be 28. You also have a plethora of bigs now if you can keep Humph.

So I would like to see:
Trade/Cut Muscala
Trade/Release Patterson
Trade Teague
Trade SPlitter

resign Humphries, bring over Tavares to play the Muscala role (limited minutes on the bench).

make a run at Harrison Barnes, do whatever it takes within reason to get him.

Bigs would be:
Humph,Tavares,Horford,Millsap,filler

Guards would be DS/ Filler/ THJ/Korver/Thabo/Barnes (realistically you could probably let one of Thabo/Korver go in trade if you got barnes).

anyways long way of saying theres a lot of expendable pieces on this team and Muscala/Patterson are the top 2 on my list. Then I would trade Teague because if you max out AH you need to get younger talent because your window is about 2 years with 2 30+ year old big men.

[PandaKidd]

Now , they make the ECF and lose 4-2, throw all that out the window. I think theyll keep the team intact.

[atlantabbq99]

I would rather re-sign both players than trade Teague for some mediocre package just to say we traded him. Our offense thrives when our points are breaking down the defense and it is a huge plus for us to have 2 who can do so. With a skyrocketing cap and the full bird rights to both players, I would rather keep both.

I say let Bazemore go, use our available cap to resign Humphries and to find a starting SF and then go over the cap to sign Horford.

Also, letting Baz go is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. Carroll was 30yr when the Hawks let him walk, so i understand that. Baz is only 25yr.

Baze is undersized
He is going to be overpaid
Teague is better than him and has a larger impact on this team

I love Baze but I am keeping Teague over him if their contracts fall in a similar range.

That is just a such a short sighted view of Baz. Baz is the future SG for the Hawks (unless a better SG falls into the Hawks' lap), with Korver already being 36 years old. I can't believe nobody has told you this?!

[ATLHawksfan21]

Also, letting Baz go is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. Carroll was 30yr when the Hawks let him walk, so i understand that. Baz is only 25yr.

Baze is undersized
He is going to be overpaid
Teague is better than him and has a larger impact on this team

I love Baze but I am keeping Teague over him if their contracts fall in a similar range.

That is just a such a short sighted view of Baz. Baz is the future SG for the Hawks (unless a better SG falls into the Hawks' lap), with Korver already being 36 years old. I can't believe nobody has told you this?!

Then why did we trade a first for Hardaway Jr.?

[PandaKidd]

Also, letting Baz go is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. Carroll was 30yr when the Hawks let him walk, so i understand that. Baz is only 25yr.

Baze is undersized
He is going to be overpaid
Teague is better than him and has a larger impact on this team

I love Baze but I am keeping Teague over him if their contracts fall in a similar range.

That is just a such a short sighted view of Baz. Baz is the future SG for the Hawks (unless a better SG falls into the Hawks' lap), with Korver already being 36 years old. I can't believe nobody has told you this?!

Baze doesnt play SG Doe? I cant believe nobody has told you this?!!

Barnes is 6'8'' 225lbs Much better body to play SF.

[PandaKidd]

Baze is undersized
He is going to be overpaid
Teague is better than him and has a larger impact on this team

I love Baze but I am keeping Teague over him if their contracts fall in a similar range.

That is just a such a short sighted view of Baz. Baz is the future SG for the Hawks (unless a better SG falls into the Hawks' lap), with Korver already being 36 years old. I can't believe nobody has told you this?!

Then why did we trade a first for Hardaway Jr.?

Like i said before, THJ i THINK they are grooming to be the starting SG eventually. I dont think they are keeping Bazemore. I think he was a stop gap filler for DMC and hes worked well, but they cant afford to pay him what he will get.

[ATLHawksfan21]

Baze is undersized
He is going to be overpaid
Teague is better than him and has a larger impact on this team

I love Baze but I am keeping Teague over him if their contracts fall in a similar range.

That is just a such a short sighted view of Baz. Baz is the future SG for the Hawks (unless a better SG falls into the Hawks' lap), with Korver already being 36 years old. I can't believe nobody has told you this?!

Baze doesnt play SG Doe? I cant believe nobody has told you this?!!

Barnes is 6'8'' 225lbs Much better body to play SF.

The problem is, how do you go about getting Barnes when 75% of teams are going to have cap space and he is a restricted free agent?

I'm not too excited about the idea of having to give up assets for the opportunity to give Barnes 20 million per year.

[atlantabbq99]

Bazemore is GONE. BOOK IT. Hes going to get 10-13 million and I dont think the Hawks are going to go that route. The cap is increasing, but they have BIG BIG BIG contracts to sign coming up. Lets look:
Horford this year
Millsap the following year
Teague the following year

Thabo/Korver are coming up IIRC as well.

DS will demand a trade , theres no way he plays behind Teague. Ill almost bet if DS doesnt get the starting job by NEXT year, he will demand a trade. You can say you want 2 great PGs all you want, but that NEVER works out. See: Reggie Jackson, Bledsoe, DJ Augistin etc. They NEVER stick around, they go be the starter somewhere else.

So, I agree wholeheartedly that Bazemore is gone. Hes undersized, they need another SF and I didnt believe he was the SF of the future for this team. I think they may be seeing if THJ can take over the 2 guard spot eventually. if not hes a decent bench piece.

They should do everything in their power to resign Humphries and try and dump splitter IMO. Splitter is ALWAYS injured.

The problem is that core starts to look REALLY REALLY old with Millsap/Korver/Horford/Teague will be 28. You also have a plethora of bigs now if you can keep Humph.

So I would like to see:
Trade/Cut Muscala
Trade/Release Patterson
Trade Teague
Trade SPlitter

resign Humphries, bring over Tavares to play the Muscala role (limited minutes on the bench).

make a run at Harrison Barnes, do whatever it takes within reason to get him.

Bigs would be:
Humph,Tavares,Horford,Millsap,filler

Guards would be DS/ Filler/ THJ/Korver/Thabo/Barnes (realistically you could probably let one of Thabo/Korver go in trade if you got barnes).

anyways long way of saying theres a lot of expendable pieces on this team and Muscala/Patterson are the top 2 on my list. Then I would trade Teague because if you max out AH you need to get younger talent because your window is about 2 years with 2 30+ year old big men.

Spurs gave Danny Green 10 million per. Hawks giving Baz 9-10 million per is fair, I would go as high as 12 million. If somebody offers him more than 12 million, then ya, i agree that the Hawks should just look to Hardaway as the future SG. but to think that Baz is going to get offered more than 12 million per is just way way too delusional at this point.

[atlantabbq99]

Baze is undersized
He is going to be overpaid
Teague is better than him and has a larger impact on this team

I love Baze but I am keeping Teague over him if their contracts fall in a similar range.

That is just a such a short sighted view of Baz. Baz is the future SG for the Hawks (unless a better SG falls into the Hawks' lap), with Korver already being 36 years old. I can't believe nobody has told you this?!

Baze doesnt play SG Doe? I cant believe nobody has told you this?!!

Barnes is 6'8'' 225lbs Much better body to play SF.

Are you just way way way delusional??? So you never saw Baz play SG in 2015 and Thabo play SF in 2015???

So you really had no idea that Baz played SG as a Laker and Warrior WOW just WOW!

[ATLHawksfan21]

Bazemore is GONE. BOOK IT. Hes going to get 10-13 million and I dont think the Hawks are going to go that route. The cap is increasing, but they have BIG BIG BIG contracts to sign coming up. Lets look:
Horford this year
Millsap the following year
Teague the following year

Thabo/Korver are coming up IIRC as well.

DS will demand a trade , theres no way he plays behind Teague. Ill almost bet if DS doesnt get the starting job by NEXT year, he will demand a trade. You can say you want 2 great PGs all you want, but that NEVER works out. See: Reggie Jackson, Bledsoe, DJ Augistin etc. They NEVER stick around, they go be the starter somewhere else.

So, I agree wholeheartedly that Bazemore is gone. Hes undersized, they need another SF and I didnt believe he was the SF of the future for this team. I think they may be seeing if THJ can take over the 2 guard spot eventually. if not hes a decent bench piece.

They should do everything in their power to resign Humphries and try and dump splitter IMO. Splitter is ALWAYS injured.

The problem is that core starts to look REALLY REALLY old with Millsap/Korver/Horford/Teague will be 28. You also have a plethora of bigs now if you can keep Humph.

So I would like to see:
Trade/Cut Muscala
Trade/Release Patterson
Trade Teague
Trade SPlitter

resign Humphries, bring over Tavares to play the Muscala role (limited minutes on the bench).

make a run at Harrison Barnes, do whatever it takes within reason to get him.

Bigs would be:
Humph,Tavares,Horford,Millsap,filler

Guards would be DS/ Filler/ THJ/Korver/Thabo/Barnes (realistically you could probably let one of Thabo/Korver go in trade if you got barnes).

anyways long way of saying theres a lot of expendable pieces on this team and Muscala/Patterson are the top 2 on my list. Then I would trade Teague because if you max out AH you need to get younger talent because your window is about 2 years with 2 30+ year old big men.

Spurs gave Danny Green 10 million per. Hawks giving Baz 9-10 million per is fair, I would go as high as 12 million. If somebody offers him more than 12 million, then ya, i agree that the Hawks should just look to Hardaway as the future SG. but to think that Baz is going to get offered more than 12 million per is just way way too delusional at this point.

A 30 year old DMC got 15 million and you think 12 million for Baze is delusional? Add a large increase in the cap which will give almost every team plenty of cap space and it's almost guaranteed that Baze gets $12 million or more per year.

[atlantabbq99]

Barnes is 6'8'' 225lbs Much better body to play SF.

Off topic, but ya i would love the idea of getting Barnes to replace Korver's roster spot. I would like to see other options at SF but i'm totally ok with Barnes! even if that means slightly over paying him.

[Jamaaliver]

Sounds like we're committing ourselves to this iteration, then?

Are We convinced Teague, Bazemore and the boys are capable of going toe to toe with GSW or SAS moving forward?

Or are we giving up hope on actually fielding a great team built around elite talent?

I was told this was a team closer to 60 wins...we'll be lucky to hit 50, but somehow we should max out any and everyone in the roster to stay a second tier team?

What a difference a month makes...


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[PandaKidd]

Barnes is 6'8'' 225lbs Much better body to play SF.

Off topic, but ya i would love the idea of getting Barnes to replace Korver's roster spot. I would like to see other options at SF but i'm totally ok with Barnes! even if that means slightly over paying him.

KORVER DOESNT PLAY SF

BAZE IS NOT A SHOOTING GUARD, HES NOT EVEN LISTED AT THE 2 GUARD ON THE DEPTH CHART.

That doesnt mean he NEVER plays the 2 guard, but just because lebron played CENTER once doesnt make him a CENTER.

Baze on THIS TEAM is the starting Small Forward.

[PandaKidd]

That is just a such a short sighted view of Baz. Baz is the future SG for the Hawks (unless a better SG falls into the Hawks' lap), with Korver already being 36 years old. I can't believe nobody has told you this?!

Baze doesnt play SG Doe? I cant believe nobody has told you this?!!

Barnes is 6'8'' 225lbs Much better body to play SF.

Are you just way way way delusional??? So you never saw Baz play SG in 2015 and Thabo play SF in 2015???

So you really had no idea that Baz played SG as a Laker and Warrior WOW just WOW!

[PandaKidd]

Bazemore is GONE. BOOK IT. Hes going to get 10-13 million and I dont think the Hawks are going to go that route. The cap is increasing, but they have BIG BIG BIG contracts to sign coming up. Lets look:
Horford this year
Millsap the following year
Teague the following year

Thabo/Korver are coming up IIRC as well.

DS will demand a trade , theres no way he plays behind Teague. Ill almost bet if DS doesnt get the starting job by NEXT year, he will demand a trade. You can say you want 2 great PGs all you want, but that NEVER works out. See: Reggie Jackson, Bledsoe, DJ Augistin etc. They NEVER stick around, they go be the starter somewhere else.

So, I agree wholeheartedly that Bazemore is gone. Hes undersized, they need another SF and I didnt believe he was the SF of the future for this team. I think they may be seeing if THJ can take over the 2 guard spot eventually. if not hes a decent bench piece.

They should do everything in their power to resign Humphries and try and dump splitter IMO. Splitter is ALWAYS injured.

The problem is that core starts to look REALLY REALLY old with Millsap/Korver/Horford/Teague will be 28. You also have a plethora of bigs now if you can keep Humph.

So I would like to see:
Trade/Cut Muscala
Trade/Release Patterson
Trade Teague
Trade SPlitter

resign Humphries, bring over Tavares to play the Muscala role (limited minutes on the bench).

make a run at Harrison Barnes, do whatever it takes within reason to get him.

Bigs would be:
Humph,Tavares,Horford,Millsap,filler

Guards would be DS/ Filler/ THJ/Korver/Thabo/Barnes (realistically you could probably let one of Thabo/Korver go in trade if you got barnes).

anyways long way of saying theres a lot of expendable pieces on this team and Muscala/Patterson are the top 2 on my list. Then I would trade Teague because if you max out AH you need to get younger talent because your window is about 2 years with 2 30+ year old big men.

Spurs gave Danny Green 10 million per. Hawks giving Baz 9-10 million per is fair, I would go as high as 12 million. If somebody offers him more than 12 million, then ya, i agree that the Hawks should just look to Hardaway as the future SG. but to think that Baz is going to get offered more than 12 million per is just way way too delusional at this point.

Mace knows the cap way more than I do but IIRC i think his MAX is 12/13 million. I think hell get that. Theres going to be a lot of teams who could use his services. Baze isnt going to take a paycut, why would he? Hes a nobody on anyone elses team. This is his chance to cash in. NO ONE knew him before he came to the Hawks.

I would argue at 10 million you are overpaying him because hes NOT a true SF. You cant max AH, pay 12 million to bazemore , and go all in with the same team (unless the scenario i posted above happens).

I would like to get a more talent at the wings, and I would start with Barnes and then go maybe Batum

A 30 year old DMC got 15 million and you think 12 million for Baze is delusional? Add a large increase in the cap which will give almost every team plenty of cap space and it's almost guaranteed that Baze gets $12 million or more per year.