Oklahoma City Thunder Regular Season Thread: Part IV

[bondom34]

The no PG lineup doesn't usually come out as much until late game (I don't think at least).

On a different topic, a ton of people gonna be really bummed when KD re-signs.

[Pillendreher]

On a different topic, a ton of people gonna be really bummed when KD re-signs.

Haven't you heard? James Harden is recruiting. Brace yourselves.

I think it's funny that people hate the Thunder's supporting cast, yet they see Houston's supporting cast as a pro for Houston.

[bondom34]

On a different topic, a ton of people gonna be really bummed when KD re-signs.

Haven't you heard? James Harden is recruiting. Brace yourselves.

I think it's funny that people hate the Thunder's supporting cast, yet they see Houston's supporting cast as a pro for Houston.

People on the trade board getting confident too. He knows he'll never win and if they don't make the WCF and yadda yadda yadda. If he goes to Houston, sadly they lose the best role player they've got in Ariza too lol.

[OkcMagic]

Have anyone else notice the improvement in Roberson 3's? Is he slowly evolving into the 2 guard we need? What if he sucking Morrow abilities off of him?

[Marcus50]

Have anyone else notice the improvement in Roberson 3's? Is he slowly evolving into the 2 guard we need? What if he sucking Morrow abilities off of him?

In the last 15 games Robes has hit 10 of 20 3pt attempts. That is serious improvement albeit a small sample and relatively low number of attempts per game but 50% 3pt shooting is very encouraging

[spearsy23]

Have anyone else notice the improvement in Roberson 3's? Is he slowly evolving into the 2 guard we need? What if he sucking Morrow abilities off of him?

In the last 15 games Robes has hit 10 of 20 3pt attempts. That is serious improvement albeit a small sample and relatively low number of attempts per game but 50% 3pt shooting is very encouraging

40% in March as a whole. That said, to my relatively untrained eye, it doesn't look like real improvement. He's still hesitating on open shots and is so slow getting the shot in the air that it looks like he is thinking through each part of the motion. You can tell he isn't comfortable, teammate's still have to urge him to shoot, and he isn't ever thinking shot when he catches.

[Marcus50]

In answer to the prospect of signing Adams and Ibaka Erik Horne in his lunchtime chat yesterday said it depends on whether Adams signs a reasonable extension over the summer which begs the question what a reasonable contract for Adams is going to look like. Is it a lot less than Kanter contract? Can this team afford Adams/ Ibaka and Kanter or even 2 of the three is KD and Russ stay on max contracts? I suspect suggesting to Adams management he is worth a lot less than Kanter us going to be quite a task.

[Marcus50]

Have anyone else notice the improvement in Roberson 3's? Is he slowly evolving into the 2 guard we need? What if he sucking Morrow abilities off of him?

In the last 15 games Robes has hit 10 of 20 3pt attempts. That is serious improvement albeit a small sample and relatively low number of attempts per game but 50% 3pt shooting is very encouraging

40% in March as a whole. That said, to my relatively untrained eye, it doesn't look like real improvement. He's still hesitating on open shots and is so slow getting the shot in the air that it looks like he is thinking through each part of the motion. You can tell he isn't comfortable, teammate's still have to urge him to shoot, and he isn't ever thinking shot when he catches.

agree it looks awful but if it keeps going in at the current rate I can overlook an ugly looking shot

[spearsy23]

In answer to the prospect of signing Adams and Ibaka Erik Horne in his lunchtime chat yesterday said it depends on whether Adams signs a reasonable extension over the summer which begs the question what a reasonable contract for Adams is going to look like. Is it a lot less than Kanter contract? Can this team afford Adams/ Ibaka and Kanter or even 2 of the three is KD and Russ stay on max contracts? I suspect suggesting to Adams management he is worth a lot less than Kanter us going to be quite a task.

I think 12 million would be reasonable, unfortunately Kanter is on an unreasonable one so it's going to be up to Steven rather he thinks another team will be willing to bet on him like they did Enes or not. The one thing going for us is that Enes has certain skills that are honestly as good as any player in the NBA. It was worth it for a team like Portland to try and gamble on him, whereas Steven is a better player with a skillset that's easier to find, so teams might not want to get in a bidding war when they could sign a 'similar' player like Ed Davis for less.

[Marcus50]

In answer to the prospect of signing Adams and Ibaka Erik Horne in his lunchtime chat yesterday said it depends on whether Adams signs a reasonable extension over the summer which begs the question what a reasonable contract for Adams is going to look like. Is it a lot less than Kanter contract? Can this team afford Adams/ Ibaka and Kanter or even 2 of the three is KD and Russ stay on max contracts? I suspect suggesting to Adams management he is worth a lot less than Kanter us going to be quite a task.

I think 12 million would be reasonable, unfortunately Kanter is on an unreasonable one so it's going to be up to Steven rather he thinks another team will be willing to bet on him like they did Enes or not. The one thing going for us is that Enes has certain skills that are honestly as good as any player in the NBA. It was worth it for a team like Portland to try and gamble on him, whereas Steven is a better player with a skillset that's easier to find, so teams might not want to get in a bidding war when they could sign a 'similar' player like Ed Davis for less.

I would surprised if it's that low. Adams would be forced to test FA at that level as it would be a signal.from okc that they value Kanter much more.

[Pillendreher]

For a guy in his 3rd season, Steven's in good company.

http://bkref.com/tiny/e8oWG

I think 12 mio. p.a. would be too low, just because they offered Kanter more, who is a lesser player.

I really hope Presti manages to finally win a trade and trades Kanter for a good piece. And maybe trade Ibaka as well: If he keeps this up, we have to cash in before he tanks his value completely.

[Old Man Game]

Wow. So something definitely isn't working. Whether its Billy's lineups or Sam's players is hard to say.

Its a mix of lineups and just underperforming (unless there's another issue). On one hand the lineups are just bad (the starters w/ Kanter and Dion stink whenever they play, the no PG lineup does too, and both see more 4th quarter time than any other I'm pretty sure). The starters have a D rating of 140 in the fourth quarter, so something's up there. Between that and Kanter playing a fair amount late game, I'm going to guess its lineups and whatever the deal is with execution. Sometimes its not on anyone but the players.

Well putting it on the players is indirectly putting a fair amount of it on the guy who put those players on the roster.

[Old Man Game]

Under the new cap rubric I think it's safe to say the negotiations for Adams' new deal probably begin at 15-17 million and likely go up from there.

[bondom34]

Wow. So something definitely isn't working. Whether its Billy's lineups or Sam's players is hard to say.

Its a mix of lineups and just underperforming (unless there's another issue). On one hand the lineups are just bad (the starters w/ Kanter and Dion stink whenever they play, the no PG lineup does too, and both see more 4th quarter time than any other I'm pretty sure). The starters have a D rating of 140 in the fourth quarter, so something's up there. Between that and Kanter playing a fair amount late game, I'm going to guess its lineups and whatever the deal is with execution. Sometimes its not on anyone but the players.

Well putting it on the players is indirectly putting a fair amount of it on the guy who put those players on the roster.

If players are underperforming relative to their career that's on them.

[spearsy23]

Its a mix of lineups and just underperforming (unless there's another issue). On one hand the lineups are just bad (the starters w/ Kanter and Dion stink whenever they play, the no PG lineup does too, and both see more 4th quarter time than any other I'm pretty sure). The starters have a D rating of 140 in the fourth quarter, so something's up there. Between that and Kanter playing a fair amount late game, I'm going to guess its lineups and whatever the deal is with execution. Sometimes its not on anyone but the players.

Well putting it on the players is indirectly putting a fair amount of it on the guy who put those players on the roster.

If players are underperforming relative to their career that's on them.

Who is underperforming though? Dion is who he is, Foye, Kanter, Singler, Morrow... They are all exactly what you'd expect. Serge is the only guy even possibly underperforming, and he seems to be miscast in Donovan's offense which is partly on presti as well.

[bondom34]

Well putting it on the players is indirectly putting a fair amount of it on the guy who put those players on the roster.

If players are underperforming relative to their career that's on them.

Who is underperforming though? Dion is who he is, Foye, Kanter, Singler, Morrow... They are all exactly what you'd expect. Serge is the only guy even possibly underperforming, and he seems to be miscast in Donovan's offense which is partly on presti as well.

Singler is, Serge is to an extent. Morrow isn't being given a chance. Foye I actually don't hate mainly b/c he's not Singler or Dion.

[Old Man Game]

Well putting it on the players is indirectly putting a fair amount of it on the guy who put those players on the roster.

If players are underperforming relative to their career that's on them.

Who is underperforming though? Dion is who he is, Foye, Kanter, Singler, Morrow... They are all exactly what you'd expect. Serge is the only guy even possibly underperforming, and he seems to be miscast in Donovan's offense which is partly on presti as well.

Yeah. You don't trade for Dion Waiters expecting to get anything more than Dion Waiters. Or you shouldn't.

[Old Man Game]

If players are underperforming relative to their career that's on them.

Who is underperforming though? Dion is who he is, Foye, Kanter, Singler, Morrow... They are all exactly what you'd expect. Serge is the only guy even possibly underperforming, and he seems to be miscast in Donovan's offense which is partly on presti as well.

Singler is, Serge is to an extent. Morrow isn't being given a chance. Foye I actually don't hate mainly b/c he's not Singler or Dion.

So why'd Presti re-up Kyle for FIVE years last summer after he'd already had the second half of the season here sucking quite a bit? Isn't that on him? Shouldn't he have reason to have known at that point?

[spearsy23]

For a guy in his 3rd season, Steven's in good company.

http://bkref.com/tiny/e8oWG

I think 12 mio. p.a. would be too low, just because they offered Kanter more, who is a lesser player.

I really hope Presti manages to finally win a trade and trades Kanter for a good piece. And maybe trade Ibaka as well: If he keeps this up, we have to cash in before he tanks his value completely.

That's a horrible list quite frankly. The fact is he is a center averaging 8 points 6.5 rebounds and 1 block. http://bkref.com/tiny/s7C8u there's a more representative list of where he stands from a historical perspective.

[bondom34]

Who is underperforming though? Dion is who he is, Foye, Kanter, Singler, Morrow... They are all exactly what you'd expect. Serge is the only guy even possibly underperforming, and he seems to be miscast in Donovan's offense which is partly on presti as well.

Singler is, Serge is to an extent. Morrow isn't being given a chance. Foye I actually don't hate mainly b/c he's not Singler or Dion.

So why'd Presti re-up Kyle for FIVE years last summer after he'd already had the second half of the season here sucking quite a bit? Isn't that on him? Shouldn't he have reason to have known at that point?

Somewhat, though again, if Singler were performing to anywhere near his Detroit play we'd all love that deal. He's not. To me that's on him as a player.