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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#741 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Apr 7, 2016 6:09 pm

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2nd most untouchable player behind KAT-man.


Yeah I get that, just have a feeling that they aren't doing the best job building a roster around him.


Doesn't really matter if he's happy right now. They control his rights and will try to make him happy until they approach a time where they could potentiall lose him for nothing. That's not until around 2020 that they would start worrying about that.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans_pelicans/

We could look at Tyreke or Holiday as possibly guys they might be afraid of losing after next season and try to offer up Knight for one of them.


I would never accept one of those guys for Knight. Methinks the Bugs would love to add Knight. But the only asset of theirs I view as attractive is the #6, and I think #12 + Knight for #6 is probably a non-starter for McD. He'll already have his favorite player in that range, and the team needs to compete now. Despite the criticism Brandon's received, he's much more likely to help us in the next few years than anyone we'd grab at #6. So I don't think there's anything there.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#742 » by Qwigglez » Thu Apr 7, 2016 7:29 pm

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alphagorilla wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:

2nd most untouchable player behind KAT-man.


Yeah I get that, just have a feeling that they aren't doing the best job building a roster around him.


Doesn't really matter if he's happy right now. They control his rights and will try to make him happy until they approach a time where they could potentiall lose him for nothing. That's not until around 2020 that they would start worrying about that.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans_pelicans/

We could look at Tyreke or Holiday as possibly guys they might be afraid of losing after next season and try to offer up Knight for one of them.


There was an article written a couple years back how the Pelicans really rushed their rebuild around AD. Trading for Jrue Holiday, signing Tyreke, not really building thru the draft.
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Post#743 » by TeamTragic » Thu Apr 7, 2016 7:38 pm

AD has had major injuries throughout his career. I would rather try and get the #1 pick and build around Simmons or trade a high pick for Griffin/Cousins.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#744 » by bwgood77 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 7:40 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
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Yeah I get that, just have a feeling that they aren't doing the best job building a roster around him.


Doesn't really matter if he's happy right now. They control his rights and will try to make him happy until they approach a time where they could potentiall lose him for nothing. That's not until around 2020 that they would start worrying about that.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans_pelicans/

We could look at Tyreke or Holiday as possibly guys they might be afraid of losing after next season and try to offer up Knight for one of them.


There was an article written a couple years back how the Pelicans really rushed their rebuild around AD. Trading for Jrue Holiday, signing Tyreke, not really building thru the draft.


It would be more of a trade idea for those who wanted out of Knight's contract because they don't think he adds much to the team and isn't worth that contract, and also, in the case of Jrue, PG depth for Bledsoe being injury prone for one year, then the contract is gone. If Bledsoe goes down again, you can decide what to do then.

For Tyreke, it might be, again, getting out of the contract earlier and deciding whether you think Tyreke at $11M for one season is better than Knight for $56M for 4. Would people rather have Knight for four years as 6th man or Tyreke for one year and then let Bogdan take over in that role or possibly Jenkins (who is cheap at $1M a year so either he breaks out or doesn't but doesn't cost us really anything against the cap and shot 48% from 3).
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#745 » by Walt_Uoob » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:19 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Doesn't really matter if he's happy right now. They control his rights and will try to make him happy until they approach a time where they could potentiall lose him for nothing. That's not until around 2020 that they would start worrying about that.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans_pelicans/

We could look at Tyreke or Holiday as possibly guys they might be afraid of losing after next season and try to offer up Knight for one of them.


There was an article written a couple years back how the Pelicans really rushed their rebuild around AD. Trading for Jrue Holiday, signing Tyreke, not really building thru the draft.


It would be more of a trade idea for those who wanted out of Knight's contract because they don't think he adds much to the team and isn't worth that contract, and also, in the case of Jrue, PG depth for Bledsoe being injury prone for one year, then the contract is gone. If Bledsoe goes down again, you can decide what to do then.

For Tyreke, it might be, again, getting out of the contract earlier and deciding whether you think Tyreke at $11M for one season is better than Knight for $56M for 4. Would people rather have Knight for four years as 6th man or Tyreke for one year and then let Bogdan take over in that role or possibly Jenkins (who is cheap at $1M a year so either he breaks out or doesn't but doesn't cost us really anything against the cap and shot 48% from 3).


I would opt for Knight for four years as 6th man and I'd bet McD would too, as part of the motivation for acquiring him seemed to be the ability to lock him up long-term. Having Knight as an overpaid 6th man (who is still young with room to improve) isn't so bad in my mind when it's partly because we have Booker as an underpaid starter.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#746 » by Saberestar » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:47 pm

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Saberestar wrote:Not many roster spots on our team next season if we add two rookies (around #3 and #13), Bogdan Bogdanovic and bring back Teletovic.

If we do not trade Knight, Chandler or Tucker ( and it seems that they are going to be here next season, all three under contract) our roster is loaded...

Bledsoe/Knight
Booker/Bogdanovic
Warren/Tucker
#3/Teletovic
Len/Chandler

That is teen deep and we have #13 from Washington and Goodwin if he is not traded too.


Dirt cheap team options on John Jenkins too for next two years (about $1 million a year). Unless we find 15 players deep who are clearly better or with more potential I would exercise that. He's worth that much money as an end of bench guy. Definitely rather keep than Goodwin. He's shooting 48% from 3 this year for us. Limited time, but that's 18 games in extremely limited minutes, but more than 2 1/2 shots per game and 23 for 48.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix_suns/

In my opinion Jenkins doesn't deserve a roster spot in the NBA. He is not good enough at anything even shooting the ball.
I prefer to have another rookie next season over a player like him or Budinger.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#747 » by bwgood77 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:37 pm

Saberestar wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Not many roster spots on our team next season if we add two rookies (around #3 and #13), Bogdan Bogdanovic and bring back Teletovic.

If we do not trade Knight, Chandler or Tucker ( and it seems that they are going to be here next season, all three under contract) our roster is loaded...

Bledsoe/Knight
Booker/Bogdanovic
Warren/Tucker
#3/Teletovic
Len/Chandler

That is teen deep and we have #13 from Washington and Goodwin if he is not traded too.


Dirt cheap team options on John Jenkins too for next two years (about $1 million a year). Unless we find 15 players deep who are clearly better or with more potential I would exercise that. He's worth that much money as an end of bench guy. Definitely rather keep than Goodwin. He's shooting 48% from 3 this year for us. Limited time, but that's 18 games in extremely limited minutes, but more than 2 1/2 shots per game and 23 for 48.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix_suns/

In my opinion Jenkins doesn't deserve a roster spot in the NBA. He is not good enough at anything even shooting the ball.
I prefer to have another rookie next season over a player like him or Budinger.


Well if there is one thing he can do, it is shoot. He shot 48% for us from 3 and overall this year. Last year with Atlanta he had a 63% TS% and a 60% eFG%. He shoots 85% from the line.

In his last year in college he scored 20ppg on 54% from 2 and 44% from 3 for a combined 47.4%.

If there is one thing he can do, it's shoot, and that's important in the league these days.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#748 » by Saberestar » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:50 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
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Dirt cheap team options on John Jenkins too for next two years (about $1 million a year). Unless we find 15 players deep who are clearly better or with more potential I would exercise that. He's worth that much money as an end of bench guy. Definitely rather keep than Goodwin. He's shooting 48% from 3 this year for us. Limited time, but that's 18 games in extremely limited minutes, but more than 2 1/2 shots per game and 23 for 48.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix_suns/

In my opinion Jenkins doesn't deserve a roster spot in the NBA. He is not good enough at anything even shooting the ball.
I prefer to have another rookie next season over a player like him or Budinger.


Well if there is one thing he can do, it is shoot. He shot 48% from us from 3 and overall this year. Last year with Atlanta he had a 63% TS% and a 60% eFG%. He shoots 85% from the line.

In his last year in college he scored 20ppg on 54% from 2 and 44% from 3 for a combined 47.4%.

If there is one thing he can do, it's shoot, and that's important in the league these days.

Well, I have seen every game and he is absolutely invisible on the court. Like Budinger, he doesn't have any impact on the court. They can make an open three if they are open (probably Jenkins with a better percentage) but that is all.

Poor defender, not versatile enough to play various positions, bad athlete, he can't finish at the rim....

He needs to be really open to shoot the ball, he doesn't have a quick and high release like other good specialist shooters (Morrow or Meeks come to my mind).

If we can add a decent prospect with our #28 or #33 pick I would be happy with that young guy over those limited and older role players.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#749 » by bwgood77 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 10:08 pm

Saberestar wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:In my opinion Jenkins doesn't deserve a roster spot in the NBA. He is not good enough at anything even shooting the ball.
I prefer to have another rookie next season over a player like him or Budinger.


Well if there is one thing he can do, it is shoot. He shot 48% from us from 3 and overall this year. Last year with Atlanta he had a 63% TS% and a 60% eFG%. He shoots 85% from the line.

In his last year in college he scored 20ppg on 54% from 2 and 44% from 3 for a combined 47.4%.

If there is one thing he can do, it's shoot, and that's important in the league these days.

Well, I have seen every game and he is absolutely invisible on the court. Like Budinger, he doesn't have any impact on the court. They can make an open three if they are open (probably Jenkins with a better percentage) but that is all.

Poor defender, not versatile enough to play various positions, bad athlete, he can't finish at the rim....

He needs to be really open to shoot the ball, he doesn't have a quick and high release like other good specialist shooters (Morrow or Meeks come to my mind).

If we can add a decent prospect with our #28 or #33 pick I would be happy with that young guy over those limited and older role players.


Well, we have a shell of a team right now and no real PG. That's going to make most of our guys look bad offensively most of the time.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#750 » by rsavaj » Thu Apr 7, 2016 11:21 pm

McDonough better be calling up Bryan Colangelo right now. I'd offer Knight for Saric and see if they bite. Saw something similar on the trade board. Jerry doesn't seem particularly married to Dario, calling him "that guy in Europe."
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Post#751 » by TeamTragic » Thu Apr 7, 2016 11:53 pm

rsavaj wrote:McDonough better be calling up Bryan Colangelo right now. I'd offer Knight for Saric and see if they bite. Saw something similar on the trade board. Jerry doesn't seem particularly married to Dario, calling him "that guy in Europe."


If that trade happens in some form :lol:
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Post#752 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Apr 8, 2016 12:33 am

This is probably a better place for this discussion lestgosuns

letsgosuns wrote:I listened to McDonough's interview today as well and found some of his answers very alarming. He mentioned how at the time Bledsoe went down that the Suns were just a couple games out of the eight seed and then described how Potland had a big surge to become a playoff contender and what if that could have been the Suns. I heard that and immediately thought this guy is completely out to lunch. The Suns were 12-19 when Bledsoe got injured. Newsflash McDonough. THAT MEANS YOUR TEAM SUCKS!

We all knew we had playoff aspirations in the off-season and many of us, including myself, thought we had a chance with a more-balanced but similarly dangerous team so for him to think we could've had a surge after playing only 31 games is not out of the question. 12-19 sucks and I'm definitely not saying we could've been a made playoffs even with Bledsoe but look at where other teams were on 23 December, the same time we were 12-19

Portland : 11-20
Houston: 15-15
Memphis: 16-15
Utah: 12-15
Dallas: 16-13

Teams which were expected to be a mid-tier playoff team were barely over .500. Teams which we expected to suck (Dallas) with no centre were 3 games over 500. We were slotted right in between Portland and Utah at that point in time.

I have zero faith McDonough knows how to build a team. He might be great at picking in the draft, but he has shown for three years straight that he cannot build a contending team. And I have no reason to believe he will miraculously learn how to do it overnight. I will never forget he is the man that chose to put a team together of Bledsoe, Dragic, and Thomas, AND draft a point guard too. Then he goes out and trades three of the point guards only to bring in a far worse point guard in Knight (you do not need another point guard in the first place) and give him a huge salary.

He's hit on some great draftees and trades and he's missed on others too. Like any exec out there. This is a learning experience for him but let's be honest, we got ahead of ourselves with that 48 win season. We thought we had a winning formula with a strong PG rotation, which we did, but McD's mistake was adding too much to that rotation while falling short in other positions. He messed up the Knight trade which I still hate but I could see why he made it. We could all look back and say, I told you so, but Knight did have a similar profile to Dragic. Above average size for a PG, great shooter, average passer and can push the ball. I could see why he did it and even though I thought it was a mistake and it's proven now that it's been a mistake, he took a chance and I don't think it's set us back that far. With our young guys coming along just fine, another top pick and Bogdan hopefully joining the team, it makes Knight/Bledsoe disposable. We're not as screwed as you seem to think we are.

McDonough's vision is totally flawed. It does not take a genius to recognize that a dual point guard lineup does not work. Especially when the two players are undersized, inconsistent shooters, and turnover prone. Kidd and Hardaway could have worked if not for injuries but those are historically great hall of fame players who were also incredible passers and unselfish and tall. That is the opposite of what the Suns currently have. If Bledsoe, Knight, and Booker are all on the team next year and start together, next season is over before it begins, just like this season was with Bledsoe and Knight starting. Dragic said it best when he said multiple point guards do not work because there is only one ball.Stop trying to reinvent the wheel with some idiotic undersized dual point guard garbage and get back to the tried and true way of winning a championship with the biggest, most talented, and smartest players you can find.

I still believe in McD not because I'm a blind follower but because I understand the reason he made the moves he made without the lip service. When you understand his moves, you understand the mindset he's coming into the offseason with. I still believe in him because I don't believe McD is intent on keeping Knight or Bledsoe but at the same time, he can't just say we're looking to trade both in the offseason. Dragic also said he and Bledsoe had great synergy together and we did win 48 games with a duel PG line up and with no complaints from either players. I'm not saying it will always work or that I like it (I'm a traditionalist) but it's been proven that it can be a dangerous line up with two PG's.

If next season we have a starting line up of Bledsoe/Booker with Knight coming off the bench, I'll be OK with that. The dual PG lineup may not have work in our current set up but the addition of Booker changes everything.
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Post#753 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Apr 8, 2016 3:31 am

lilfishi22 wrote:This is probably a better place for this discussion lestgosuns

letsgosuns wrote:I listened to McDonough's interview today as well and found some of his answers very alarming. He mentioned how at the time Bledsoe went down that the Suns were just a couple games out of the eight seed and then described how Potland had a big surge to become a playoff contender and what if that could have been the Suns. I heard that and immediately thought this guy is completely out to lunch. The Suns were 12-19 when Bledsoe got injured. Newsflash McDonough. THAT MEANS YOUR TEAM SUCKS!

We all knew we had playoff aspirations in the off-season and many of us, including myself, thought we had a chance with a more-balanced but similarly dangerous team so for him to think we could've had a surge after playing only 31 games is not out of the question. 12-19 sucks and I'm definitely not saying we could've been a made playoffs even with Bledsoe but look at where other teams were on 23 December, the same time we were 12-19

Portland : 11-20
Houston: 15-15
Memphis: 16-15
Utah: 12-15
Dallas: 16-13

Teams which were expected to be a mid-tier playoff team were barely over .500. Teams which we expected to suck (Dallas) with no centre were 3 games over 500. We were slotted right in between Portland and Utah at that point in time.

I have zero faith McDonough knows how to build a team. He might be great at picking in the draft, but he has shown for three years straight that he cannot build a contending team. And I have no reason to believe he will miraculously learn how to do it overnight. I will never forget he is the man that chose to put a team together of Bledsoe, Dragic, and Thomas, AND draft a point guard too. Then he goes out and trades three of the point guards only to bring in a far worse point guard in Knight (you do not need another point guard in the first place) and give him a huge salary.

He's hit on some great draftees and trades and he's missed on others too. Like any exec out there. This is a learning experience for him but let's be honest, we got ahead of ourselves with that 48 win season. We thought we had a winning formula with a strong PG rotation, which we did, but McD's mistake was adding too much to that rotation while falling short in other positions. He messed up the Knight trade which I still hate but I could see why he made it. We could all look back and say, I told you so, but Knight did have a similar profile to Dragic. Above average size for a PG, great shooter, average passer and can push the ball. I could see why he did it and even though I thought it was a mistake and it's proven now that it's been a mistake, he took a chance and I don't think it's set us back that far. With our young guys coming along just fine, another top pick and Bogdan hopefully joining the team, it makes Knight/Bledsoe disposable. We're not as screwed as you seem to think we are.

McDonough's vision is totally flawed. It does not take a genius to recognize that a dual point guard lineup does not work. Especially when the two players are undersized, inconsistent shooters, and turnover prone. Kidd and Hardaway could have worked if not for injuries but those are historically great hall of fame players who were also incredible passers and unselfish and tall. That is the opposite of what the Suns currently have. If Bledsoe, Knight, and Booker are all on the team next year and start together, next season is over before it begins, just like this season was with Bledsoe and Knight starting. Dragic said it best when he said multiple point guards do not work because there is only one ball.Stop trying to reinvent the wheel with some idiotic undersized dual point guard garbage and get back to the tried and true way of winning a championship with the biggest, most talented, and smartest players you can find.

I still believe in McD not because I'm a blind follower but because I understand the reason he made the moves he made without the lip service. When you understand his moves, you understand the mindset he's coming into the offseason with. I still believe in him because I don't believe McD is intent on keeping Knight or Bledsoe but at the same time, he can't just say we're looking to trade both in the offseason. Dragic also said he and Bledsoe had great synergy together and we did win 48 games with a duel PG line up and with no complaints from either players. I'm not saying it will always work or that I like it (I'm a traditionalist) but it's been proven that it can be a dangerous line up with two PG's.

If next season we have a starting line up of Bledsoe/Booker with Knight coming off the bench, I'll be OK with that. The dual PG lineup may not have work in our current set up but the addition of Booker changes everything.


One correction. Bledsoe and Knight is not a two pg lineup. Its a 6-1 pg and a 6-3 sg. We have a 6-1 pg, a 6-6 sg (who can play pg), and a 6-3 sg (who cannot play pg).

We need to quit talking about a 2 pg lineup. We don't have any such thing. We just have a short 2 guard that shoots alot.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#754 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Apr 8, 2016 4:06 am

Qwigglez wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
alphagorilla wrote:
Yeah I get that, just have a feeling that they aren't doing the best job building a roster around him.


Doesn't really matter if he's happy right now. They control his rights and will try to make him happy until they approach a time where they could potentiall lose him for nothing. That's not until around 2020 that they would start worrying about that.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans_pelicans/

We could look at Tyreke or Holiday as possibly guys they might be afraid of losing after next season and try to offer up Knight for one of them.


There was an article written a couple years back how the Pelicans really rushed their rebuild around AD. Trading for Jrue Holiday, signing Tyreke, not really building thru the draft.


Well. If they considered Jrue and Tyreke along with Gordon, a championship core around Davis, yes they did. But the problem was not rushing, it was just bad judgment.

Its not about how fast or slow you rebuild, its whether the players you get really are championship caliber or not. You can draft high for a decade and still not have the talent.
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Post#755 » by bwgood77 » Fri Apr 8, 2016 4:12 am

jcsunsfan wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Doesn't really matter if he's happy right now. They control his rights and will try to make him happy until they approach a time where they could potentiall lose him for nothing. That's not until around 2020 that they would start worrying about that.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans_pelicans/

We could look at Tyreke or Holiday as possibly guys they might be afraid of losing after next season and try to offer up Knight for one of them.


There was an article written a couple years back how the Pelicans really rushed their rebuild around AD. Trading for Jrue Holiday, signing Tyreke, not really building thru the draft.


Well. If they considered Jrue and Tyreke along with Gordon, a championship core around Davis, yes they did. But the problem was not rushing, it was just bad judgment.

Its not about how fast or slow you rebuild, its whether the players you get really are championship caliber or not. You can draft high for a decade and still not have the talent.


You also never know how players will pan out even if they start out well. Jrue was an all star, Tyreke was ROY and many thought Eric Gordon was a top 5 SG. They got all at relatively young ages. Hindsight is 20/20 though.
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Post#756 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Apr 8, 2016 4:34 am

“I think when you’re with an organization like the Celtics or the Suns that have great history and tradition, it’s not really acceptable or certainly not desirable to bottom out. You don’t want to bottom out and hope for luck in the lottery."

Ryan McDonough 2015.
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Post#757 » by letsgosuns » Fri Apr 8, 2016 5:05 am

I am just going to say I never once believed in that 2013-14 team that won 48 games ever. I always thought it was a fools gold and a 100% fluke. I saw through it from day one. That team won a bunch of games that year because Goran Dragic played completely out of his mind and he has never come close to that level prior to or since that season. And a big mistake that McDonough deserves to be called out on was his refusal to trade the Washington pick (turned out to be Tyler Ennis) for Pau Gasol. Imagine how much different the past three seasons would have ended had the Suns traded for Gasol. Oh well. At least they have Booker. That is the only saving grace for this franchise. Without him, they legitimately are no better than the rest of the bottom feeders of the league.
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Post#758 » by TeamTragic » Fri Apr 8, 2016 5:40 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:“I think when you’re with an organization like the Celtics or the Suns that have great history and tradition, it’s not really acceptable or certainly not desirable to bottom out. You don’t want to bottom out and hope for luck in the lottery."

Ryan McDonough 2015.


That stupid asinine comment came from Sarver. Zero doubt in my mind. I'm sure he somehow figured if he said tanking was alright then he would sell less tickets. The guy is a **** moron.

letsgosuns wrote:I am just going to say I never once believed in that 2013-14 team that won 48 games ever. I always thought it was a fools gold and a 100% fluke. I saw through it from day one. That team won a bunch of games that year because Goran Dragic played completely out of his mind and he has never come close to that level prior to or since that season. And a big mistake that McDonough deserves to be called out on was his refusal to trade the Washington pick (turned out to be Tyler Ennis) for Pau Gasol. Imagine how much different the past three seasons would have ended had the Suns traded for Gasol. Oh well. At least they have Booker. That is the only saving grace for this franchise. Without him, they legitimately are no better than the rest of the bottom feeders of the league.


The sad part is that you are right. Dragic had an MVP season and Sarver couldn't think straight. Therefore if we end up losing a shot at the first pick because we don't realize that we need a top three pick then I guess McD is working for Ainge.

Can someone else offer an explanation for why we won tonight?
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#759 » by saintEscaton » Fri Apr 8, 2016 5:52 am

GoranTragic wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:“I think when you’re with an organization like the Celtics or the Suns that have great history and tradition, it’s not really acceptable or certainly not desirable to bottom out. You don’t want to bottom out and hope for luck in the lottery."

Ryan McDonough 2015.


That stupid asinine comment came from Sarver. Zero doubt in my mind. I'm sure he somehow figured if he said tanking was alright then he would sell less tickets. The guy is a **** moron.


No that was McDumbarse on the record
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#760 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Apr 8, 2016 6:30 am

letsgosuns wrote:I am just going to say I never once believed in that 2013-14 team that won 48 games ever. I always thought it was a fools gold and a 100% fluke. I saw through it from day one. That team won a bunch of games that year because Goran Dragic played completely out of his mind and he has never come close to that level prior to or since that season. And a big mistake that McDonough deserves to be called out on was his refusal to trade the Washington pick (turned out to be Tyler Ennis) for Pau Gasol. Imagine how much different the past three seasons would have ended had the Suns traded for Gasol. Oh well. At least they have Booker. That is the only saving grace for this franchise. Without him, they legitimately are no better than the rest of the bottom feeders of the league.


Green played out of his mind that year too. He hit a bunch of game winners.


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