Just how good is Celtics Isiah Thomas

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Re: Just how good is Celtics Isiah Thomas 

Post#81 » by rich316 » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:27 pm

Rich Man's Jason Terry. Not quite as good a shooter, but makes up for it with better finishing. If he could have played with prime Dirk...they would have owned the league. That's more a testament to Dirk's greatness, but Thomas is exactly the kind of player that looks incredible next to him.
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Re: Just how good is Celtics Isiah Thomas 

Post#82 » by JonFromVA » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:37 pm

mo2thewillyo wrote:Do you think Isiah isn't really all that great its just he happens to be the best player on the current roster with the way its constructed.


I lean towards "isn't really all that great" ... at least until he shows up in the playoffs.

Nobody really cares about getting up to play the Celtics, and yes, somebody has to get numbers; but in the playoffs even the Celtics will be game planned against.
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Re: Just how good is Celtics Isiah Thomas 

Post#83 » by Masterfully » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:44 pm

Good enough to have 2 A's in his name.
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Post#84 » by NBAfan3024 » Sat Apr 9, 2016 5:06 pm

Very good

Could become a hero in the playoffs
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Re: Just how good is Celtics Isiah Thomas 

Post#85 » by Edug27 » Sat Apr 9, 2016 5:11 pm

thierry wrote:He's around the 7th-10th best PG in the league

For sure better:
Curry
Paul
Lillard
Westbrook
Lowry
Wall

In his territory:
Walker
Bledsoe
Conley
Irving


Accurate for the most part. Not entirely sure I'd add Wall into that top category though. But its not a huge deal.
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Post#86 » by Edug27 » Sat Apr 9, 2016 5:12 pm

rich316 wrote:Rich Man's Jason Terry.


I always said poor mans D.Lillard.
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Post#87 » by HeartBreakKid » Sat Apr 9, 2016 5:21 pm

We'll see in the playoffs, last year he had a massive drop off. New role for him this year and probably won't face a team that has the defense that the Cavs had, so there's hope for a good post season performance.
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Post#88 » by mo2thewillyo » Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:00 am

What I'm saying is basically like having Two PGs out there on the floor. Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars took turns running the point/brining the ball up court/initating the offense.
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Post#89 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:08 am

PierceFan4ever wrote:In what world is Conley, Irving, and Teague better than IT this season loool. Wall, although stats look great, couldn't lead his team to the playoffs this season. I would put IT in the group of Lowry and Lillard as the 4 a,b, and c imo in terms of point guards behind curry, Westbrook, and Paul. Kemba Walker this season has had a better year than Teague, Conley, and Irving as well. Too much basing on previous years

Easily. Teague is especially better. Once again, watch the games. If you don't watch Memphis or Atlanta, don't talk.
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Post#90 » by PierceFan4ever » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:12 am

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PierceFan4ever wrote:In what world is Conley, Irving, and Teague better than IT this season loool. Wall, although stats look great, couldn't lead his team to the playoffs this season. I would put IT in the group of Lowry and Lillard as the 4 a,b, and c imo in terms of point guards behind curry, Westbrook, and Paul. Kemba Walker this season has had a better year than Teague, Conley, and Irving as well. Too much basing on previous years

Easily. Teague is especially better. Once again, watch the games. If you don't watch Memphis or Atlanta, don't talk.


Teague did own IT today but IT averages 6 points more and just the same amount of assists so I don't know how you can say easily. Show me reasons other than assuming I don't watch them. Perhaps you don't watch the Celtics if you think it's "easily"
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Post#91 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:33 am

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PierceFan4ever wrote:In what world is Conley, Irving, and Teague better than IT this season loool. Wall, although stats look great, couldn't lead his team to the playoffs this season. I would put IT in the group of Lowry and Lillard as the 4 a,b, and c imo in terms of point guards behind curry, Westbrook, and Paul. Kemba Walker this season has had a better year than Teague, Conley, and Irving as well. Too much basing on previous years

Easily. Teague is especially better. Once again, watch the games. If you don't watch Memphis or Atlanta, don't talk.


Teague did own IT today but IT averages 6 points more and just the same amount of assists so I don't know how you can say easily. Show me reasons other than assuming I don't watch them. Perhaps you don't watch the Celtics if you think it's "easily"

Their roles are nothing alike. One is asked to be a true PG, a sound defender and a 2nd or 3rd option scorer. The other is mainly just their main scorer. Jeff is a much better player than Thomas. I think it's disrespectful to even make the comparison. He's not even as good as Dennis.

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Post#92 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:35 am

PierceFan4ever wrote:
King Ken wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:In what world is Conley, Irving, and Teague better than IT this season loool. Wall, although stats look great, couldn't lead his team to the playoffs this season. I would put IT in the group of Lowry and Lillard as the 4 a,b, and c imo in terms of point guards behind curry, Westbrook, and Paul. Kemba Walker this season has had a better year than Teague, Conley, and Irving as well. Too much basing on previous years

Easily. Teague is especially better. Once again, watch the games. If you don't watch Memphis or Atlanta, don't talk.


Teague did own IT today but IT averages 6 points more and just the same amount of assists so I don't know how you can say easily. Show me reasons other than assuming I don't watch them. Perhaps you don't watch the Celtics if you think it's "easily"

He always owns Thomas. He's a much better player than Thomas.

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Post#93 » by PierceFan4ever » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:39 am

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King Ken wrote:Easily. Teague is especially better. Once again, watch the games. If you don't watch Memphis or Atlanta, don't talk.


Teague did own IT today but IT averages 6 points more and just the same amount of assists so I don't know how you can say easily. Show me reasons other than assuming I don't watch them. Perhaps you don't watch the Celtics if you think it's "easily"

Their roles are nothing alike. One is asked to be a true PG, a sound defender and a 2nd or 3rd option scorer. The other is mainly just their main scorer. Jeff is a much better player than Thomas. I think it's disrespectful to even make the comparison. He's not even as good as Dennis.

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Ok, I now realize you are a troll or a complete homer so I'm not gonna bother taking this any further. I'm surprised there aren't more gms, scouts, and players who feel the same way as your opinion. I wonder why.
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Post#94 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:41 am

PierceFan4ever wrote:
King Ken wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:
Teague did own IT today but IT averages 6 points more and just the same amount of assists so I don't know how you can say easily. Show me reasons other than assuming I don't watch them. Perhaps you don't watch the Celtics if you think it's "easily"

Their roles are nothing alike. One is asked to be a true PG, a sound defender and a 2nd or 3rd option scorer. The other is mainly just their main scorer. Jeff is a much better player than Thomas. I think it's disrespectful to even make the comparison. He's not even as good as Dennis.

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Ok, I now realize you are a troll or a complete homer so I'm not gonna bother taking this any further. I'm surprised there aren't more gms, scouts, and players who feel the same way as your opinion. I wonder why.

I watch the games. Thomas is overrated if you think he's as good as Jeff. Clearly. Maybe I was overstepping it with saying Dennis is better but I am simply pissed that anyone with sense would think he's anywhere near Teague.

Thomas is clearly better than Dennis. No question about it.

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Post#95 » by PierceFan4ever » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:47 am

King Ken wrote:
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King Ken wrote:Their roles are nothing alike. One is asked to be a true PG, a sound defender and a 2nd or 3rd option scorer. The other is mainly just their main scorer. Jeff is a much better player than Thomas. I think it's disrespectful to even make the comparison. He's not even as good as Dennis.

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Ok, I now realize you are a troll or a complete homer so I'm not gonna bother taking this any further. I'm surprised there aren't more gms, scouts, and players who feel the same way as your opinion. I wonder why.

I watch the games. Thomas is overrated if you think he's as good as Jeff. Clearly. Maybe I was overstepping it with saying Dennis is better but I am simply pissed that anyone with sense would think he's anywhere near Teague.

Thomas is clearly better than Dennis. No question about it.

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Jeff Teague: 15.5 ppg, 5.9 ast, 2.7 reb, 43% fg shooting
Isaiah Thomas: 22.4 ppg, 6.2 asst, 3 reb, 43 fg shooting

IT is actually clearly better, especially the fact that he gets doubled team in which I know Teague doesn't when you have Millsap and Horford. Teams game plan for IT, nobody does for Teague. :roll:
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Post#96 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:50 am

PierceFan4ever wrote:
King Ken wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:
Ok, I now realize you are a troll or a complete homer so I'm not gonna bother taking this any further. I'm surprised there aren't more gms, scouts, and players who feel the same way as your opinion. I wonder why.

I watch the games. Thomas is overrated if you think he's as good as Jeff. Clearly. Maybe I was overstepping it with saying Dennis is better but I am simply pissed that anyone with sense would think he's anywhere near Teague.

Thomas is clearly better than Dennis. No question about it.

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Jeff Teague: 15.5 ppg, 5.9 ast, 2.7 reb, 43% fg shooting
Isaiah Thomas: 22.4 ppg, 6.2 asst, 3 reb, 43 fg shooting

IT is actually clearly better, especially the fact that he gets doubled team in which I know Teague doesn't when you have Millsap and Horford. Teams game plan for IT, nobody does for Teague. :roll:

Screw those raw numbers. Jeff role limits his numbers for the most part and his MPG is low due to him and Dennis splitting time. If you look at his per36, he's having an exceptional year. If you watch the game, see his man defense, his ability to run an offense and his ability to play at all tempos, you would realize he's the most underrated PG in the NBA. Jeff is an exceptional PG.

Jeff draws more doubles than anyone else on our team. Including Horford and Millsap.

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Post#97 » by Zombiesonics » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:02 am

You lost Cred when you alluded that shroeder was better than IT, just a ridiculous statement because Dennis is not even in the same ball park.

Teague hasn't moved the needle the same way IT has @kingken , check literally any metric.
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Post#98 » by King Ken » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:25 am

Zombiesonics wrote:You lost Cred when you alluded that shroeder was better than IT, just a ridiculous statement because Dennis is not even in the same ball park.

Teague hasn't moved the needle the same way IT has @kingken , check literally any metric.

I honestly don't care what you think about my opinion. I stated my peace and stated I was wrong for the IT-Dennis line.

If stats are all that you look at, then you have no value to me in ANY conversation.
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Post#99 » by Zombiesonics » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:36 am

King Ken wrote:
Zombiesonics wrote:You lost Cred when you alluded that shroeder was better than IT, just a ridiculous statement because Dennis is not even in the same ball park.

Teague hasn't moved the needle the same way IT has @kingken , check literally any metric.

I honestly don't care what you think about my opinion. I stated my peace and stated I was wrong for the IT-Dennis line.

If stats are all that you look at, then you have no value to me in ANY conversation.


What are we talking about here then? Facts matter in these types of convos, you sound like a ridiculous homer. You're aghast that posters think IT is better than Teague, when IT posts better numbers raw or advanced ? Try watching other teams than just ATL
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Re: Just how good is Celtics Isiah Thomas 

Post#100 » by moocow007 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:44 am

The Celtics would not be anywhere the team they are right now without him. Always been a fan of his even when folks were doubting him out of college and when he was with the Kings. Talent obviously but what makes him special is the competitiveness and fearlessness that goes along with the talent.

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