Welcome Okafor: Thread 2

[WVU]

I am in the boat of hoping we keep Okafor and it is Noel who gets moved. The combo of Embiid and Okafor could be amazing

[ankle420breaker]

Agreed. Noel's game has regressed in his second year, particularly on the defensive end.

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[Negrodamus]

I don't know what the offensive plan is going forward, but if it's Suns type speed, then Okafor isn't sticking around.

[Kirk Van Houten]

I don't know what the offensive plan is going forward, but if it's Suns type speed, then Okafor isn't sticking around.

He just has to develop a jumper (Which he has already improved unlike Noel) to fit into a faster offence. You couple that with the conditioning that occurs from another pre season and becoming a man and it's not even a close call. Oak all the way. Noel has peaked we need to trade now while there is still some value left.


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[76ciology]

I don't know what the offensive plan is going forward, but if it's Suns type speed, then Okafor isn't sticking around.

if it's Suns type speed, you need to trade Embiid and Jah for perimeter players. If you run a Suns type speed game, you will need to be heavily talented with your guards and wings.

Betting on Embiid/Jah means you are leaning toward for a game with a slower pace (not necessarily old school for Spurs is one of the best offensive teams), similar to the Spurs.

[Unbreakable99]

I don't know what the offensive plan is going forward, but if it's Suns type speed, then Okafor isn't sticking around.

if it's Suns type speed, you need to trade Embiid and Jah for perimeter players. If you run a Suns type speed game, you will need to be heavily talented with your guards and wings.

Betting on Embiid/Jah means you are leaning toward for a game with a slower pace (not necessarily old school for Spurs is one of the best offensive teams), similar to the Spurs.

You don't trade a player like Embiid under any circumstances regardless of style of play. You build your system around great players. No one would be dumb enough to trade Embiid to run a certain style.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Yeah, the whole "style building " crap is idiotic. You don't build that way, you build to the strengths of your strongest player. We don't need to be the Phoenix Suns, y'all need to stop following trends, and stop pigeon holing yourselves into the whole "small ball, this is how it will be" identity.

[76ciology]

Yeah, the whole "style building " crap is idiotic. You don't build that way, you build to the strengths of your strongest player. We don't need to be the Phoenix Suns, y'all need to stop following trends, and stop pigeon holing yourselves into the whole "small ball, this is how it will be" identity.

I kind of agree with that. Mainly because you kind of don't choose what type of "franchise player" you'll end up with. And with that said, I like the idea of building sort of a Spurs/hawks type model where talent is more with the bigs who can punish smaller defenders while also being mobile enough to move their feet on defense at the perimeter.

[Imdatboul11]

http://thesixersense.com/2016/04/11/joel-embiids-rookie-season-will-go-one-two-ways/

[FlightBrothers]

Yeah, the whole "style building " crap is idiotic. You don't build that way, you build to the strengths of your strongest player. We don't need to be the Phoenix Suns, y'all need to stop following trends, and stop pigeon holing yourselves into the whole "small ball, this is how it will be" identity.

I kind of agree with that. Mainly because you kind of don't choose what type of "franchise player" you'll end up with. And with that said, I like the idea of building sort of a Spurs/hawks type model where talent is more with the bigs who can punish smaller defenders while also being mobile enough to move their feet on defense at the perimeter.

This is why I hope they can pair a player like Harrison Barnes with our bigs. I want a big tall shooter that plays hard defense and has a history of making big clutch shots.

Keep Okafor and Embiid. Move Noel only if it is a great trade. I worry that will trade just for the sake of trading and balancing the roster and not get back equal value.

[mksp]

Jahlil Okafor's Sixers legacy will forever be the draft pick that cost Sam Hinkie his job.

Hinkie takes Porzingis, and none of this happens.

At least he's probably gone this offseason, just for half the return of what Hinkie could've gotten for him.

[OleSchool]

Jahlil Okafor's Sixers legacy will forever be the draft pick that cost Sam Hinkie his job.

Hinkie takes Porzingis, and none of this happens.

At least he's probably gone this offseason, just for half the return of what Hinkie could've gotten for him.

Hinkie wouldn't have taken Kp for 1 main reason. Harris and co. said no

[Ericb5]

Jahlil Okafor's Sixers legacy will forever be the draft pick that cost Sam Hinkie his job.

Hinkie takes Porzingis, and none of this happens.

At least he's probably gone this offseason, just for half the return of what Hinkie could've gotten for him.

That's not true.

I think that what did in Hinkie is all of the communication, reputation, relationship, PR types of things, etc...

They wanted someone to be better in those areas and Sam didn't want to share power with them. I don't blame him for one second for that and respect him for bailing.

Sam did an excellent job with all basketball related decisions, including taking Okafor over Porzingis which was the right choice at the time.

I think in retrospect that Porzingis would have had a much worse rookie season in Philly, and Okafor would have been great in NY, and the opinions of the basketball world would be different. Wait until after year 2 at least, if not year 3 to really decide who is better between Okafor and Porzingis.

[mksp]

Jahlil Okafor's Sixers legacy will forever be the draft pick that cost Sam Hinkie his job.

Hinkie takes Porzingis, and none of this happens.

At least he's probably gone this offseason, just for half the return of what Hinkie could've gotten for him.

That's not true.

I think that what did in Hinkie is all of the communication, reputation, relationship, PR types of things, etc...

They wanted someone to be better in those areas and Sam didn't want to share power with them. I don't blame him for one second for that and respect him for bailing.

Sam did an excellent job with all basketball related decisions, including taking Okafor over Porzingis which was the right choice at the time.

I think in retrospect that Porzingis would have had a much worse rookie season in Philly, and Okafor would have been great in NY, and the opinions of the basketball world would be different. Wait until after year 2 at least, if not year 3 to really decide who is better between Okafor and Porzingis.

We fundamentally disagree on the quality of player that Okafor is, which is okay.

The reason I believe that drafting Okafor cost Hinkie his job, is that I think KP is a future super star. 7'3" shotblockers who can shoot 3s and run are just so rare, and so valuable.

And I think we would have seen enough signs of that stardom this year, even in Philly, that Hinkie would have been getting a lot of, in this case, deserved credit for taking KP over the "safe" choice in Okafor.

A defensive backline of KP + Noel would have been phenomenal.

You can't push out a GM that takes the right guy like that.

I agree with you that he had his flaws, but taking KP would have masked a lot of those deficiencies.

[Ericb5]

Jahlil Okafor's Sixers legacy will forever be the draft pick that cost Sam Hinkie his job.

Hinkie takes Porzingis, and none of this happens.

At least he's probably gone this offseason, just for half the return of what Hinkie could've gotten for him.

That's not true.

I think that what did in Hinkie is all of the communication, reputation, relationship, PR types of things, etc...

They wanted someone to be better in those areas and Sam didn't want to share power with them. I don't blame him for one second for that and respect him for bailing.

Sam did an excellent job with all basketball related decisions, including taking Okafor over Porzingis which was the right choice at the time.

I think in retrospect that Porzingis would have had a much worse rookie season in Philly, and Okafor would have been great in NY, and the opinions of the basketball world would be different. Wait until after year 2 at least, if not year 3 to really decide who is better between Okafor and Porzingis.

We fundamentally disagree on the quality of player that Okafor is, which is okay.

The reason I believe that drafting Okafor cost Hinkie his job, is that I think KP is a future super star. 7'3" shotblockers who can shoot 3s and run are just so rare, and so valuable.

And I think we would have seen enough signs of that stardom this year, even in Philly, that Hinkie would have been getting a lot of, in this case, deserved credit for taking KP over the "safe" choice in Okafor.

A defensive backline of KP + Noel would have been phenomenal.

You can't push out a GM that takes the right guy like that.

I agree with you that he had his flaws, but taking KP would have masked a lot of those deficiencies.

Even if you believe that KP should have been the pick(I don't, although would swap them today), what I am saying is that I don't think that that had anything to do with Hinkie leaving. The owners weren't saying that he did a bad job of recognizing talent.

Look at it this way. If we had KP on this team we would not have won any more games this year, which means that we would still be historically bad, with the horrible losing streaks and such.

I think that Hinkie could have survived the horrible product on the floor, OR the horrible relationships with the league and agents, but not both of them. I'm defining surviving as "not being asked to share power with someone" Swapping KP for Okafor wouldn't have changed either of those things.

Also, Hinkie was not losing his job. He was being asked to share power with someone, and he balked at that and then walked. I don't think that the dynamic that made the ownership flinch would have been any different if we had taken KP. Ownership would have still brought in Jerry, and they would still have the same recommendations, and Hinkie would have had the same reaction to them.

[rzzzzz]

KP ran into a serious rookie wall a couple of months ago. still a terrific prospect, maybe deserving of the 2nd pick. but Okafor was looking seriously beastly right up until Boston video came out. and he had great games when Ish had his hot start. this guy passes the eye test big time, and we've seen him dominate against the other young bigs. he's 20. just give him something to play for.

[76ciology]

Yeah, the whole "style building " crap is idiotic. You don't build that way, you build to the strengths of your strongest player. We don't need to be the Phoenix Suns, y'all need to stop following trends, and stop pigeon holing yourselves into the whole "small ball, this is how it will be" identity.

I kind of agree with that. Mainly because you kind of don't choose what type of "franchise player" you'll end up with. And with that said, I like the idea of building sort of a Spurs/hawks type model where talent is more with the bigs who can punish smaller defenders while also being mobile enough to move their feet on defense at the perimeter.

This is why I hope they can pair a player like Harrison Barnes with our bigs. I want a big tall shooter that plays hard defense and has a history of making big clutch shots.

Keep Okafor and Embiid. Move Noel only if it is a great trade. I worry that will trade just for the sake of trading and balancing the roster and not get back equal value.

I don't like Barnes. He's overrated because he plays for the Warriors. He doesn't pass my standard for length at the SF position, pretty much explain why he has low block numbers.

I also don't like overpaying 3 and D wings and rim protectors, these two type of players are better off via cheap signings or player development. Overpay on them and your team's cap flexibility/ceiling is screwed.

[76ciology]

Jahlil Okafor's Sixers legacy will forever be the draft pick that cost Sam Hinkie his job.

Hinkie takes Porzingis, and none of this happens.

At least he's probably gone this offseason, just for half the return of what Hinkie could've gotten for him.

I doubt it. Hinkie's main objective is to get the best possible talent at his position. Hate to say this, but I don't think he can take that risk of drafting KP over Jah. I can understand Biid over Exum or the lesser mortals, but KP over Jah is a high risk move for phase 1. Drafting Jah assures you of value that you can eventually trade for need or higher value. If you draft a high risk player and he turns into a bust, you're stucked and he'd be useless for phase 2. And truth be told, I don't think KP's value is that much higher than Jah.

[Embiid P]

I don't know what the offensive plan is going forward, but if it's Suns type speed, then Okafor isn't sticking around.

if it's Suns type speed, you need to trade Embiid and Jah for perimeter players. If you run a Suns type speed game, you will need to be heavily talented with your guards and wings.

Betting on Embiid/Jah means you are leaning toward for a game with a slower pace (not necessarily old school for Spurs is one of the best offensive teams), similar to the Spurs.

Wouldn't Embiid's defense be essential to initiate the fast break on the other end? If he is healthy, he is basically a stronger, heavier version of Noel on defense with much higher offensive potential.

[Negrodamus]

I don't know what the offensive plan is going forward, but if it's Suns type speed, then Okafor isn't sticking around.

if it's Suns type speed, you need to trade Embiid and Jah for perimeter players. If you run a Suns type speed game, you will need to be heavily talented with your guards and wings.

Betting on Embiid/Jah means you are leaning toward for a game with a slower pace (not necessarily old school for Spurs is one of the best offensive teams), similar to the Spurs.

Wouldn't Embiid's defense be essential to initiate the fast break on the other end? If he is healthy, he is basically a stronger, heavier version of Noel on defense with much higher offensive potential.

I think Embiid is going to be a much better overall player than Nerlens, but I don't think he's the same player defensively. Nerlens defensive awareness and anticipation are hard to replicate, especially at 6'11.