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[TeamTragic]

Interesting column on Thibodeau..

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lakers-missed-their-chance-with-tom-thibodeau-211151370.html

Though SUNS are not high on the priority list for most coaches the Lakers are even lower. No way Thibodeau would have chosen the Lakers over the young Wolves.

[bwgood77]

Interesting column on Thibodeau..

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lakers-missed-their-chance-with-tom-thibodeau-211151370.html

Though SUNS are not high on the priority list for most coaches the Lakers are even lower. No way Thibodeau would have chosen the Lakers over the young Wolves.

Well I think Woj has pretty good sources, and I doubt that story gets written unless Thibs wanted the Lakers to know that had they come after him he could have been great for them and thinks he could have gotten free agents and all that, but that they missed the boat. Awfully cocky of him though to really feel the need to let it get out there like that. No wonder mgmt didn't like him.

Anyway, he's an intriguing case, and a great coach, but one thing the article does note is that much of the league has copied his defensive schemes. That's when it's not as much as a novelty, kind of like with D'Antoni.

It's hard to miss in Minnesota with that group of young players, so he should be damn happy he got that job, because it should be hard to screw that up.

But I don't think there is any chance in hell the Suns could have gotten him IF offered him coach AND GM (unless no one else wanted him). But they never would have done either anyway.

[TeamTragic]

Interesting column on Thibodeau..

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lakers-missed-their-chance-with-tom-thibodeau-211151370.html

Though SUNS are not high on the priority list for most coaches the Lakers are even lower. No way Thibodeau would have chosen the Lakers over the young Wolves.

Well I think Woj has pretty good sources, and I doubt that story gets written unless Thibs wanted the Lakers to know that had they come after him he could have been great for them and thinks he could have gotten free agents and all that, but that they missed the boat. Awfully cocky of him though to really feel the need to let it get out there like that. No wonder mgmt didn't like him.

Anyway, he's an intriguing case, and a great coach, but one thing the article does note is that much of the league has copied his defensive schemes. That's when it's not as much as a novelty, kind of like with D'Antoni.

It's hard to miss in Minnesota with that group of young players, so he should be damn happy he got that job, because it should be hard to screw that up.

But I don't think there is any chance in hell the Suns could have gotten him IF offered him coach AND GM (unless no one else wanted him). But they never would have done either anyway.

You are speculating. That garbage roster on the Lakers is trumped by what the Wolves have now and after the draft it will not even be close.

Maybe Simmons on the Lakers might move the needle however their management is easily the second or third worst in the league.

[bwgood77]

Though SUNS are not high on the priority list for most coaches the Lakers are even lower. No way Thibodeau would have chosen the Lakers over the young Wolves.

Well I think Woj has pretty good sources, and I doubt that story gets written unless Thibs wanted the Lakers to know that had they come after him he could have been great for them and thinks he could have gotten free agents and all that, but that they missed the boat. Awfully cocky of him though to really feel the need to let it get out there like that. No wonder mgmt didn't like him.

Anyway, he's an intriguing case, and a great coach, but one thing the article does note is that much of the league has copied his defensive schemes. That's when it's not as much as a novelty, kind of like with D'Antoni.

It's hard to miss in Minnesota with that group of young players, so he should be damn happy he got that job, because it should be hard to screw that up.

But I don't think there is any chance in hell the Suns could have gotten him IF offered him coach AND GM (unless no one else wanted him). But they never would have done either anyway.

You are speculating. That garbage roster on the Lakers is trumped by what the Wolves have now and after the draft it will not even be close.

Maybe Simmons on the Lakers might move the needle however their management is easily the second or third worst in the league.

I am speculating with some of that, but do you think Woj just made this up?

Tom Thibodeau always believed he could lure free agents to the Los Angeles Lakers, that the proper structure and vision still makes that franchise the ultimate superstar destination. Thibodeau always had his eyes on the most glamorous job in basketball, but the Lakers hesitated and missed the chance to recruit him.

I didn't say Thibs would have taken the Lakers over the Wolves but I think he was irked that they didn't at least ever express any interest...more speculation by me is that I wouldn't be surprised if he let it known to the Lakers (at an earlier time) that he would have interest and never heard anything.

I don't think the Lakers would want him anyway though. They want showtime.

[saintEscaton]

Harden

[letsgosuns]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241685/NBA-Refs-Should-Have-Called-Foul-On-James-Harden-Before-Game-Winner

I think this is a disgrace. What does this do for the NBA and its fans. Show how corrupt the league is and that it just does not care? League representatives might as well have said hey everybody, the officials 100% blew the game, sorry about that, anyway, the win stands, thanks for watching. I would rather the league keep its mouth shut than come out and say a game winning shot should not have counted. You know why? Because even though it knows it screwed up, the league will not reverse the call and make it right. There is zero accountability among the refs so why bother saying anything. It does not help anybody to admit the officials ruined the game because the outcome does not change. If anything, it makes fans more pissed off.

What would happen if the league came out today and said that Michael Jordan's shot to win the 1998 NBA finals should not have counted because it was an offensive foul. Does that change anything? No. The record books will still show the Bulls won the 1998 NBA finals and the Jazz will still have no championship banner hanging in the rafters. It would probably make Jazz fans go insane. Admitting referees mistakes after the fact does nothing for the league unless it implements a punishment system that reprimands the referees for poor officiating and suspends the crew without pay for a substantial amount of time. If that were put into effect, I guarantee these games would be far better officiated. You hold the refs accountable and they will screw up much less. That is the only way to actually change anything.

[Jdiddy701]

Isaiah Thomas so damn good.


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[Qwigglez]

Yo, have you guys seen this..? Had me rolling.

http://www.abc15.com/news/national/high-school-athlete-turns-out-to-be-30

[TeamTragic]

:love: Harden

Nice push off on that last play. NBA was super pissed

[bwgood77]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241685/NBA-Refs-Should-Have-Called-Foul-On-James-Harden-Before-Game-Winner

I think this is a disgrace. What does this do for the NBA and its fans. Show how corrupt the league is and that it just does not care? League representatives might as well have said hey everybody, the officials 100% blew the game, sorry about that, anyway, the win stands, thanks for watching. I would rather the league keep its mouth shut than come out and say a game winning shot should not have counted. You know why? Because even though it knows it screwed up, the league will not reverse the call and make it right. There is zero accountability among the refs so why bother saying anything. It does not help anybody to admit the officials ruined the game because the outcome does not change. If anything, it makes fans more pissed off.

What would happen if the league came out today and said that Michael Jordan's shot to win the 1998 NBA finals should not have counted because it was an offensive foul. Does that change anything? No. The record books will still show the Bulls won the 1998 NBA finals and the Jazz will still have no championship banner hanging in the rafters. It would probably make Jazz fans go insane. Admitting referees mistakes after the fact does nothing for the league unless it implements a punishment system that reprimands the referees for poor officiating and suspends the crew without pay for a substantial amount of time. If that were put into effect, I guarantee these games would be far better officiated. You hold the refs accountable and they will screw up much less. That is the only way to actually change anything.

I agree, that it makes zero sense when it changes series and outcomes. "Oh yeah, you should've won...sorry." Everyone makes mistakes, so it's tough. They should make every single type of call reversible under review though.....even if they are reviewing something unrelated that they got right but notice something else. This could be scrutinized to death though. Both sides have a valid argument because there are probably a ton of calls that go both ways that could have gone the other way.....of course at the end it matters more, but if they were to review a game ending play, people would argue another call earlier should have gone the other way.

But game deciding plays need to be reviewed regardless imo and called correctly at the time.

[GMATCallahan]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241685/NBA-Refs-Should-Have-Called-Foul-On-James-Harden-Before-Game-Winner

I think this is a disgrace. What does this do for the NBA and its fans. Show how corrupt the league is and that it just does not care? League representatives might as well have said hey everybody, the officials 100% blew the game, sorry about that, anyway, the win stands, thanks for watching. I would rather the league keep its mouth shut than come out and say a game winning shot should not have counted. You know why? Because even though it knows it screwed up, the league will not reverse the call and make it right. There is zero accountability among the refs so why bother saying anything. It does not help anybody to admit the officials ruined the game because the outcome does not change. If anything, it makes fans more pissed off.

What would happen if the league came out today and said that Michael Jordan's shot to win the 1998 NBA finals should not have counted because it was an offensive foul. Does that change anything? No. The record books will still show the Bulls won the 1998 NBA finals and the Jazz will still have no championship banner hanging in the rafters. It would probably make Jazz fans go insane. Admitting referees mistakes after the fact does nothing for the league unless it implements a punishment system that reprimands the referees for poor officiating and suspends the crew without pay for a substantial amount of time. If that were put into effect, I guarantee these games would be far better officiated. You hold the refs accountable and they will screw up much less. That is the only way to actually change anything.

Do you know what is funny about that game? The whole "Jordan pushed off" complaints are overblown. (I do not recall any controversy whatsoever about it at the time; it was not much of a push; Jordan shook Bryon Russell legitimately; Reggie Miller had gotten away with a blatant push against Jordan at the end of Game Four of that year's Eastern Conference Finals in Indiana to free himself for his curling game-winning three-pointer, just as Karl Malone had gotten away with an NFL-style moving screen at the end of Game Six of the 1997 Western Conference Finals when he sprang John Stockton for the latter's series-winning trey to vault Utah into the NBA Finals for the first time, meaning that referees were not likely to call offensive fouls in those sorts of situations in that era.) However, if one goes back and views the game, the referees incorrectly ruled a three-pointer by Utah's Howard Eisley as a two (the officials did not go back and review such shots at the time), and in the fourth quarter, Chicago's Ron Harper drained a long runner that he actually released a hair after the shot clock expired, only for the referees to mistakenly rule it good. Combine those two plays, and we are talking about an unwarranted three-point Chicago advantage in a game that the Bulls won by one point.

Now, for all that we know, the Bulls may have won the game anyway, but those sorts of bad luck incidents indicate that sometimes we make a little too much out of who wins and who loses.

[ATTL]

I'd rather be in our current state with our roster and future over the rockets. I hate how the rockets play and hate their roster

[saintEscaton]

We need to reopen that Marcus Morris troll thread. 18 points in hte first half

[TeamTragic]

We need to reopen that Marcus Morris troll thread. 18 points in hte first half

Nope. Detroit just got swept

[saintEscaton]

Lakers axed Scott, now their ans can stop being soccer moms over DLo's minutes. Stitches get snitches. Are they seriously in the running for JVG and Messina? Feel they would defer the offer until the pinballs fall

[saintEscaton]

I'd rather be in our current state with our roster and future over the rockets. I hate how the rockets play and hate their roster

I wouldn't because McD hasn't a clue. Moreyball needs some drastic adjustments its being figured out, you can't jsut entirely abandon the midrange and live and die by the trey/restricted area when you don't have perimeter oriented bigs and stagnant ISOs that kill any movement. Harden despite all the hate he gets as a flopper and 'manufactured superstar' who lives at the line is one of the few true #1 scorers in the league, he just has no help and reverts to being a blackhole who puts no effort on the other end when he's carrying the load

[letsgosuns]

The league is totally unbalanced right now. The Warriors and Spurs are so far superior to every other team it is not fair. The Cavaliers and Thunder are a distant third and fourth respectively. Every other team in the league is in the same boat regardless of if they are a playoff or lottery team. It is like they are all fighting for a chance to lose to one of the top teams. It is sad. Absolutely no parity whatsoever.

[Damkac]

I'd rather be in our current state with our roster and future over the rockets. I hate how the rockets play and hate their roster

I'm feeling the same. I'm happy that Warriors destroyed them in game 4. It's like Rockets and Clippers have competition who can put more unlikeable players on the team. They even brought Michael "Ganjaman" Beasley. Watching Houston games I feel like half of the game is Harden or Howard shooting ft. So boring.

[bwgood77]

The league is totally unbalanced right now. The Warriors and Spurs are so far superior to every other team it is not fair. The Cavaliers and Thunder are a distant third and fourth respectively. Every other team in the league is in the same boat regardless of if they are a playoff or lottery team. It is like they are all fighting for a chance to lose to one of the top teams. It is sad. Absolutely no parity whatsoever.

That's how the 80s were with the Lakers and Celtics, and one could probably argue that the Bulls were like that too, though they usually had a few fairly tough series along the way except for a couple of those years. However, the west was very balanced throughout most of the 90s..it was always 7 or 8 deep. As we discussed in another thread, the Spurs won between 55 and 62 games quite a few years before Duncan and never made the finals, and no one else in the west made it more than once except Utah.

[bwgood77]

Lakers axed Scott, now their ans can stop being soccer moms over DLo's minutes. Stitches get snitches. Are they seriously in the running for JVG and Messina? Feel they would defer the offer until the pinballs fall

What difference would that make? You going to change your entire coaching philosophy based on one (or no) players coming out in a bad draft?