The Trade-Mill - Trade Thread Part Infinity

[Mr Loggins]

I'm just sitting here reading the last few pages of this thread loling at the idea that there are actually people, especially Celtics fans who think that Rudy Gobert has more value than Isaiah Thomas.

That is just flat out hilarious. Those are probably the same people who wanted to throw $15M a year at Omer Asik a few years ago.

go ahead and start a thread in the "trades' forum to get an idea of what the majority think....

[bs_and_cs]

I'm just sitting here reading the last few pages of this thread loling at the idea that there are actually people, especially Celtics fans who think that Rudy Gobert has more value than Isaiah Thomas.

That is just flat out hilarious. Those are probably the same people who wanted to throw $15M a year at Omer Asik a few years ago.

go ahead and start a thread in the "trades' forum to get an idea of what the majority think....

Yeah, that place is certainly the sanest place around....that's the last place I'm going for rational discussion.

[SmartWentCrazy]

He's right, though. Gobert is one of the more valuable players in the league due to his size/length/quickness combination.

It's not a slight on IT, who carries significant value in this league, but rather a testament to how good Gobert is.

[Wes-J]

Would trade anyone on our team for Gobert. Yes even IT but most especially Kelly "a nice complimentary player" Olynyk.

[shermdouglas]

would entertain a trade for wes matthews in the offseason. the injury has hobbled him this year but i believe he would be a great addition next season

[bs_and_cs]

He's right, though. Gobert is one of the more valuable players in the league due to his size/length/quickness combination.

It's not a slight on IT, who carries significant value in this league, but rather a testament to how good Gobert is.

It's no surprise that people who post on realGM aren't actually REAL GMs. It's this shortsightedness. No real GM would trade Isaiah Thomas for Gobert. Especially in the modern day NBA.

Literally, Gobert is a solid player. But he still lacks skill. I mean we're talking about a guy whose entire offensive repitoire is being taller than most, dunking and making layups. He shot 9 shots outside the paint this season. NINE SHOTS in the whole season outside the paint. We are literally talking about a guy who's main best quality is that he is taller than everyone. It's funny how people don't learn and get enamored with these bigs. It's the same thing people were saying about Bynum. It's the same thing people were saying about Hibbert.

I'm not saying Gobert isn't a good player. He's just not someone you trade an All-Star PG for. That's absurd.

And it's not like we are talking about the next Dwight Howard either. Dwight at Gobert's age was dropping 20/14 with 3 blocks a game. Not 9/11/2.2

[Curmudgeon]

The grass is always greener here. Celtics players are undervalued; players from other teams are overvalued.

[SmartWentCrazy]

It's no surprise that people who post on realGM aren't actually REAL GMs. It's this shortsightedness. No real GM would trade Isaiah Thomas for Gobert. Especially in the modern day NBA.

Is it lonely there, with your head in the sand, disrespectfully telling everyone else they're wrong and you're right?

Literally, Gobert is a solid player. But he still lacks skill. I mean we're talking about a guy whose entire offensive repitoire is being taller than most, dunking and making layups. He shot 9 shots outside the paint this season. NINE SHOTS in the whole season outside the paint. We are literally talking about a guy who's main best quality is that he is taller than everyone. It's funny how people don't learn and get enamored with these bigs. It's the same thing people were saying about Bynum. It's the same thing people were saying about Hibbert

He's a more impactful player than Isaiah. Point blank.

I'm not saying Gobert isn't a good player. He's just not someone you trade an All-Star PG for. That's absurd.

And it's not like we are talking about the next Dwight Howard either. Dwight at Gobert's age was dropping 20/14 with 3 blocks a game. Not 9/11/2.2

Let's not ignore that Isaiah was a fringe all-star who largely made the team because Kyrie was hurt for the first 3/4 months of the year.

And yes, for the last year and a half, Gobert has been a game-altering player. A young center on an even better contract than Isaiah.

[galipeautim]

I love IT, but Gobert carries more trade value. Don't even think it's a debatable point tbh. There just aren't many freakishly long rim protectors in the NBA. That's the reason why Embiid and Oden were drafted so high despite major injury concerns. Thomas is a great player on a good contract, but Gobert is one of the top trade chips in the NBA.

[bs_and_cs]

Is it lonely there, with your head in the sand, disrespectfully telling everyone else they're wrong and you're right?


He's a more impactful player than Isaiah. Point blank.


Let's not ignore that Isaiah was a fringe all-star who largely made the team because Kyrie was hurt for the first 3/4 months of the year.

And yes, for the last year and a half, Gobert has been a game-altering player. A young center on an even better contract than Isaiah.

Lonely? Nope. Sometimes, though when you are right, you have to point it out because people say stupid things. This is one of those situations.

More impactful? Yeah it's shown. One played has lead a team full of average at best role players to the playoffs two years in a row and the other, who many would argue plays on a more talented team has yet to lead his team to a >.500 record let alone in the playoffs. You can pull out all your defensive metrics you want. Isaiah Thomas' impact has been worlds larger than Rudy Gobert's. Maybe when Gobert leads his team to the playoffs once, we can discuss who has more impact on the game.

Lastly, let's not ignore that Isaiah Thomas has the 9th most points scored in the league this year. That Isaiah Thomas has the 16th most win shares in the league this year. That Isaiah Thomas is top 20 in PER in the whole league this year.

Fringe All-Star my ass.

I'll give you one thing, Rudy Gobert is taller than Isaiah Thomas though.

[bs_and_cs]

The grass is always greener here. Celtics players are undervalued; players from other teams are overvalued.

Like I said, these are the same people who weren't happy when we didn't pay Omer Asik $15M a year.

Because our bigs are so piss poor, they water at the mouth any time a half decent one comes around. Rudy Gobert is not more valuable than Isaiah Thomas. Absurdity.

[Wes-J]

The grass is always greener here. Celtics players are undervalued; players from other teams are overvalued.

Like I said, these are the same people who weren't happy when we didn't pay Omer Asik $15M a year.

Because our bigs are so piss poor, they water at the mouth any time a half decent one comes around. Rudy Gobert is not more valuable than Isaiah Thomas. Absurdity.

Ainge gave up the legendary Marcus Thornton and a Cavs pick to acquire IT lol. Then he became a fringe all-star player the next season.

Do you really honestly think any gm in the league would trade Gobert for a guard like Thornton and a fringe first rd pick?? And when Gobert becomes a monster in a season or two he'll be pretty much untouchable.

Don't think you truly understand the value of players. Take notes friend.

[BleedGreen1989]

The grass is always greener here. Celtics players are undervalued; players from other teams are overvalued.

Like I said, these are the same people who weren't happy when we didn't pay Omer Asik $15M a year.

Because our bigs are so piss poor, they water at the mouth any time a half decent one comes around. Rudy Gobert is not more valuable than Isaiah Thomas. Absurdity.

I mean, pretty much every single other person who watches basketball disagrees with you, but that's cool.

[Curmudgeon]

If you trade IT for Gobert, this team would be lucky to average 70 ppg. IT puts the ball in the basket. Gobert doesn't.

I'd trade IT for Favors, but not for Gobert. A scorer has to come back.

[bs_and_cs]

The grass is always greener here. Celtics players are undervalued; players from other teams are overvalued.

Like I said, these are the same people who weren't happy when we didn't pay Omer Asik $15M a year.

Because our bigs are so piss poor, they water at the mouth any time a half decent one comes around. Rudy Gobert is not more valuable than Isaiah Thomas. Absurdity.

Ainge gave up the legendary Marcus Thornton and a Cavs pick to acquire IT lol. Then he became a fringe all-star player the next season.

Do you really honestly think any gm in the league would trade Gobert for a guard like Thornton and a fringe first rd pick?? And when Gobert becomes a monster in a season or two he'll be pretty much untouchable.

Don't think you truly understand the value of players. Take notes friend.

Bravo good sir.

This is truly impeccable logic.

[BleedGreen1989]

If you trade IT for Gobert, this team would be lucky to average 70 ppg. IT puts the ball in the basket. Gobert doesn't.

I'd trade IT for Favors, but not for Gobert. A scorer has to come back.

I get that. In context of roster construction that makes sense, but I think most people are looking more in a vacuum at which player has more value league wide. Period. In that case, Gobert>IT.

[SmartWentCrazy]

If you trade IT for Gobert, this team would be lucky to average 70 ppg. IT puts the ball in the basket. Gobert doesn't.

I'd trade IT for Favors, but not for Gobert. A scorer has to come back.

Agreed, IT for Gobert is a poor fit for our team; however, the fact that we don't have another offensive weapon doesn't give IT more trade value than Gobert. These are two separate things.

[Wes-J]

Like I said, these are the same people who weren't happy when we didn't pay Omer Asik $15M a year.

Because our bigs are so piss poor, they water at the mouth any time a half decent one comes around. Rudy Gobert is not more valuable than Isaiah Thomas. Absurdity.

Ainge gave up the legendary Marcus Thornton and a Cavs pick to acquire IT lol. Then he became a fringe all-star player the next season.

Do you really honestly think any gm in the league would trade Gobert for a guard like Thornton and a fringe first rd pick?? And when Gobert becomes a monster in a season or two he'll be pretty much untouchable.

Don't think you truly understand the value of players. Take notes friend.

Bravo good sir.

This is truly impeccable logic.

It was your flawed logic that said Gobert didn't carry value like Thomas. That trade Ainge made says otherwise. No gm in the league trades Gobert for spare parts how's that so difficult to grasp?

[bs_and_cs]

Ainge gave up the legendary Marcus Thornton and a Cavs pick to acquire IT lol. Then he became a fringe all-star player the next season.

Do you really honestly think any gm in the league would trade Gobert for a guard like Thornton and a fringe first rd pick?? And when Gobert becomes a monster in a season or two he'll be pretty much untouchable.

Don't think you truly understand the value of players. Take notes friend.

Bravo good sir.

This is truly impeccable logic.

It was your flawed logic that said Gobert didn't carry value like Thomas. That trade Ainge made says otherwise. No gm in the league trades Gobert for spare parts how's that so difficult to grasp?

Because players evolve and GMs make dumb trades all the time? What's so difficult to understand. It was widely considered a stupid trade by Phoenix when it happened. And it is even stupider now.

If we only judged players based on what they were "worth" in the past Steph Curry isn't a MVP, afterall how could he be he was picked 7th. Rudy Gobert isn't worth a lottery pick, afterall how could he be, he was picked 27th.

Hell, since Billy King traded 3 lottery picks for two old stars who were pretty much done in 2013, we can expect to trade all old players for lottery picks?

That's the logic you are using. Its terrible. My logic is, Isaiah Thomas is a better player than Rudy Gobert. Period. He has more value. Period.

My logic is sound, your logic is extremely flawed. Sorry to offend you by pointing that out.

[Banks2Pierce]

Do you really honestly think any gm in the league would trade Gobert for a guard like Thornton and a fringe first rd pick?? And when Gobert becomes a monster in a season or two he'll be pretty much untouchable.

Don't think you truly understand the value of players. Take notes friend.

Nobody would trade Gobert for Thomas, but to think Isaiah has the same value as he did back at the deadline last year is definitely the wrong way to look at it.