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Re: Thank Nation! Pre-Lottery: Denver 9th, NY pick 7th (PART 4) 

Post#1301 » by 0 - 100 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:08 am

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0 - 100 wrote:and more evidence he's garbage:

I worked for a prominent NBA agent years ago. Chad Ford came by our office a few times and was buddy/buddy with the agent. He would always write puff pieces about the agent's clients while he was in town and would without fail shoot the clients up his draft board and call them "fast risers" based on "sources" who were impressed with their workouts. None of our clients ever had a bad workout. I never put an ounce of stock into anything he's written since that time.


Dont really think someone anonymous posting a comment about something he was told by someone else is considered evidence.


Read it again. He wasn't told by someone else, he experienced that with the agent he worked for. Highly doubt he would even make that up if that's what you meant.

Altering old mocks should give you enough evidence he's a fake.
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Post#1302 » by Kevin Willis » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:02 am

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:It's been discussed to death at this point yet those who never watched Skal continue to speak about what they don't know. His issue isn't in his head, it's with his inability to stay on the court whether it's because of foul trouble or Cal's desire to bench him (like Casey and Jonas). His foul issue is much like Chriss who many of those same people are drooling over. It's much like AMIR JOHNSON who couldn't stay on the court to save his life as a young Raptor. Fouling issues are experience issues. Skal is relatively new to basketball. With time comes experience. And being a pro, all he'll have is time to learn.



I've seen games with Skal in high school. How can you let your coach get in your head to make you play that way. Many bigs have fouling issues, I don't even care about that. Skal is not that new to basketball - he's been on the radar of scouts for a long time now. Chriss is new to basketball because he was not highly ranked.

Cal thought he can be Towns but Towns is a beast mentally. In other words Skal is not... So Cal thought Skal thought he had the tools to do what Towns could but he didn't have the make-up. That's a red flag to me and not worthy of our pick.

Also two teams gave up on Amir before he got it right. I can see the same happening to Skal and Amir was always a tough son of a gun. Lastly they will have different roles on a team. Skal is a skilled big while Amir is a lunch pail big that does the dirty work. If Skal not showing his skill is like Amir not giving effort - it hurts their game.


The Pistons were the only team that gave up on Amir.


Milwaukee traded him away for not much. I consider it they gave up on him but I can see the other side that it was just business.
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Post#1303 » by Kinger95 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:11 am

I wish people would just stop taking about Demetrius Jackson. He's not even an option at 9. He's gonna be 22 when the draft roles around and I'm convinced that he's not gonna go in the top 15. He shot 33% from college 3 which is not good and he's 6'1 with a 6"4 wingspan which is very pedestrian. I understand that he is athletic but barring a crazy performance at the combine I really see him as a similar prospect as Terry Rozier, Jerian Grant, Delon Wright and Tyus Jones. He does have a huge advantage with there being no other pgs projected in the 10-30 Range other than him and dejounte Murry which could help if someone reaches but I really think Delon is as good/if not better and jackson's not even gonna be on our short list at 9.
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Post#1304 » by Wally West » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:20 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:If we're going on upside I take Skal over Davis every day of the week.

Quite frankly I don't actually see the buzz about him at all. Don't get me wrong, he seems decent like he could turn out solid but at least imo I don't see anything that looks like he can become a star in the league. Skal's offensive game reminds me a lot of KAT in college with Towns being slightly better at backing down his man. But his shooting mechanics and the way he moves for PF are exceptional. I still have Luwawu slightly ahead on board because I actually think Bruno will end up being a PF himself and share the same length & ability and TL will be a helluva fit next to Powell & Wright but Skal isn't that far off for next in line, if at all.

I really think Cal's treatment has unfairly skewed his potential to people, just as I remember UConn not using Drummond enough. I remember numerous games hearing things like "Skal is making an impact in his limited time" or that he's really coming on yet Cal never bothered extending his minutes and seemed to have an extremely short leash. He wanted (as he did Towns & Davis) to back their men down in the post and it wasn't Davis' game hence why he was thought to be just defensive anchor, Towns did alright (he only averaged about 10ppg, not exactly earth shattering) but no one ever really got a chance to showcase what they can do because Cal wouldn't adapt to their stretch game. I 100% think he's done the same with Skal and while Skal gives shotblocking he wasn't on the rebounding so he got yanked. Also seemed he continued to be punished for seemingly nothing when he had entered multiple games and would put up some decent rebounding numbers and about 12+ppg in limited time. I think he does have a lot more than what we've seen and we should take him.

Dude, I think you've sold me on Skal.
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Post#1305 » by Risk101 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:18 am

Ryan Anderson potential? :dontknow:

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Post#1306 » by OAKLEY_2 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:19 am

Risk101 wrote:
0 - 100 wrote:and more evidence he's garbage:

I worked for a prominent NBA agent years ago. Chad Ford came by our office a few times and was buddy/buddy with the agent. He would always write puff pieces about the agent's clients while he was in town and would without fail shoot the clients up his draft board and call them "fast risers" based on "sources" who were impressed with their workouts. None of our clients ever had a bad workout. I never put an ounce of stock into anything he's written since that time.


Dont really think someone anonymous posting a comment about something he was told by someone else is considered evidence.


Haven't we seen every year that when the draft happens 1-15 Givony's mock smokes Ford's because Ford always overrates a handful of players? Nobody out there could predict Bennett going first or Waiters going fourth but those are the kinds of leaps he often makes.
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Post#1307 » by OAKLEY_2 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:20 am

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TheGoodDoctor wrote:If we're going on upside I take Skal over Davis every day of the week.

Quite frankly I don't actually see the buzz about him at all. Don't get me wrong, he seems decent like he could turn out solid but at least imo I don't see anything that looks like he can become a star in the league. Skal's offensive game reminds me a lot of KAT in college with Towns being slightly better at backing down his man. But his shooting mechanics and the way he moves for PF are exceptional. I still have Luwawu slightly ahead on board because I actually think Bruno will end up being a PF himself and share the same length & ability and TL will be a helluva fit next to Powell & Wright but Skal isn't that far off for next in line, if at all.

I really think Cal's treatment has unfairly skewed his potential to people, just as I remember UConn not using Drummond enough. I remember numerous games hearing things like "Skal is making an impact in his limited time" or that he's really coming on yet Cal never bothered extending his minutes and seemed to have an extremely short leash. He wanted (as he did Towns & Davis) to back their men down in the post and it wasn't Davis' game hence why he was thought to be just defensive anchor, Towns did alright (he only averaged about 10ppg, not exactly earth shattering) but no one ever really got a chance to showcase what they can do because Cal wouldn't adapt to their stretch game. I 100% think he's done the same with Skal and while Skal gives shotblocking he wasn't on the rebounding so he got yanked. Also seemed he continued to be punished for seemingly nothing when he had entered multiple games and would put up some decent rebounding numbers and about 12+ppg in limited time. I think he does have a lot more than what we've seen and we should take him.

Dude, I think you've sold me on Skal.


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Post#1308 » by Scott Hall » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:03 am

Who have you guys wanted in past drafts? Right now I don't have a favorite which is strange but after more studying
I'm sure someone will stand out...

My past draft most wanted players for the Raps...

1995 - No preference
1996 - Camby or Rahim
1997 - McGrady or Fortson or Brevin Knight
1998 - Jamison (Was actually pissed we traded him for VC made no sense to me with McGrady and Christie on the Wings)
1999 - Andre Miller and Jason Terry (Wanted a PG with Stoudamire and Billups gone)
2000 - Speedy Claxton or Magloire (Was pleasantly surprised Mo Pete fell)
2001 - Brendan Haywood or Zach Randolph (Was absolutely livid with the Michael Bradley pick)
2002 - Kareem Rush or Juan Dixion (Don't really remember liking anyone that much but thought Rush might be decent)
2003 - Chris Bosh or Wade (Remember for weeks asking my friend Wade or Bosh? we both agreed you gotta take the Big)
2004 - Andre Iguodola or Ben Gordon (12 years later and it still hurts. Remember Dagger loving Biedrins lol)
2005 - Andrew Bynum, Danny Granger and Gerald Green (Pretty much every Raps fan wanted Granger and Green at the time)
2006 - LaMarcus Aldridge (Remember using a created version of him in NBA 2K to see how him and Bosh could work lol)
2007 - No Pick (I did love Durant and Corey Brewer)
2008 - Hibbert, DeAndre Jordan and Javale McGee (Before we traded it for J.O. I wanted a real Center for Bosh to play with)
2009 - DeRozan (Unanimous Raptors fan pick)
2010 - Paul George (Another almost near unanimous Raptors fan pick still heart broken)
2011 - Kemba Walker, Kawhai Leonard and Brandon Knight (Valanciunas, Biyombo and Vesley were on my do not draft lists lol)
2012 - Jeremy Lamb or Austin Rivers (Anyone remember the BC order the Lamb Sigs? Whoops never thought A.D. would slip)
2013 - No Pick (Never even studied the draft)
2014 - Rodney Hood or Clint Capela (And the Raptors select Bruno Ca-ball-o WTF? just kick me in the balls)
2015 - Bobby Portis (Shocked he slipped was not happy with Wight pick but loved Powell pick. Don't mind Wright pick now)

Man time flies I remember all these drafts like they were yesterday
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Post#1309 » by CunningLinguist » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:13 am

Kinger95 wrote:I wish people would just stop taking about Demetrius Jackson. He's not even an option at 9. He's gonna be 22 when the draft roles around and I'm convinced that he's not gonna go in the top 15. He shot 33% from college 3 which is not good and he's 6'1 with a 6"4 wingspan which is very pedestrian. I understand that he is athletic but barring a crazy performance at the combine I really see him as a similar prospect as Terry Rozier, Jerian Grant, Delon Wright and Tyus Jones. He does have a huge advantage with there being no other pgs projected in the 10-30 Range other than him and dejounte Murry which could help if someone reaches but I really think Delon is as good/if not better and jackson's not even gonna be on our short list at 9.


So he's not worth taking because he's 22 and he can't improve from here? Tell that to Norman Powell. Also, he may have shot 33% from 3 his junior year but he shot 42% in both his freshman and sophomore years.
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Post#1310 » by deeps6x » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:01 pm

blackflash234 wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:If we're going on upside I take Skal over Davis every day of the week.

Quite frankly I don't actually see the buzz about him at all. Don't get me wrong, he seems decent like he could turn out solid but at least imo I don't see anything that looks like he can become a star in the league. Skal's offensive game reminds me a lot of KAT in college with Towns being slightly better at backing down his man. But his shooting mechanics and the way he moves for PF are exceptional. I still have Luwawu slightly ahead on board because I actually think Bruno will end up being a PF himself and share the same length & ability and TL will be a helluva fit next to Powell & Wright but Skal isn't that far off for next in line, if at all.

I really think Cal's treatment has unfairly skewed his potential to people, just as I remember UConn not using Drummond enough. I remember numerous games hearing things like "Skal is making an impact in his limited time" or that he's really coming on yet Cal never bothered extending his minutes and seemed to have an extremely short leash. He wanted (as he did Towns & Davis) to back their men down in the post and it wasn't Davis' game hence why he was thought to be just defensive anchor, Towns did alright (he only averaged about 10ppg, not exactly earth shattering) but no one ever really got a chance to showcase what they can do because Cal wouldn't adapt to their stretch game. I 100% think he's done the same with Skal and while Skal gives shotblocking he wasn't on the rebounding so he got yanked. Also seemed he continued to be punished for seemingly nothing when he had entered multiple games and would put up some decent rebounding numbers and about 12+ppg in limited time. I think he does have a lot more than what we've seen and we should take him.

Dude, I think you've sold me on Skal.


What is really going on here? Y'all can't be serious. Did KAT have a 10 game stretch where he scored an average of 3.5 points per game? Did KAT even have a single game where he scored less than 8 points? This is a 7 footer going against small college players. And failing. Skal wasn't 'getting yanked'. He was collecting 4 fouls per game.

Here are the guys that are in the running for a PF pick at #9. (I included Rabb but he is out now) pts, ast, stl, blk, TRB are /40

11.8 TRB, N/A 3pt%, .598 FG%, .598 eFG%, 16.1 Pts, 1.6 Ast, 0.6 Stl, 3.9 Blk, .601 TS%, 23.9 PER, ORtg 121.4, DRtg 90.9, BPM 10.8. D Davis

11.9 TRB, N/A 3pt%, .615 FG%, .616 eFG%, 17.5 Pts, 1.3 Ast, 0.7 Stl, 1.7 Blk, .636 TS%, 24.2 PER, ORtg 124.8, DRtg 95.3, BPM 8.7. Ivan Rabb

8.6 TRB, .350 3pt%, .530 FG%, .561 eFG%, 22.1 Pts, 1.2 Ast, 1.5 Stl, 2.2 Blk, .585 TS%, 21.7 PER, ORtg 112.0, DRtg 102.2, BPM 5.9. Chriss

8.9 TRB, .329 3pt%, .462 FG%, .510 eFG%, 25.4 Pts, 1.3 Ast, 1.0 Stl, 1.2 Blk, .567 TS%, 24.7 PER, ORtg 115.6, DRtg 99.8, BPM 6.7. Ben Bentil

11.6 TRB, .288 3pt%, .446 FG%, .480 eFG%, 20.3 Pts, 2.1 Ast, 1.0 Stl, 1.8 Blk, .534 TS%, 20.9 PER, ORtg 106.3, DRtg 98.5, BPM 3.6. Ellenson

8.0 TRB, N/A 3pt%, .516 FG%, .516 eFG%, 16.7 Pts, 0.8 Ast, 0.6 Stl, 4.2 Blk, .540 TS%, 18.5 PER, ORtg 107.8, DRtg 96.9, BPM 5.2. Skal Labissiere

12.7 TRB, .250 3pt%, .566 FG%, .570 eFG%, 19.5 Pts, 2.1 Ast, 0.9 Stl, 4.3 Blk, .627 TS%, 31.4 PER, ORtg 126.8, DRtg 78.1, BPM 17.3. KAT


KAT is in a whole 'nother league from the rest of these guys. That might be the highest BPM I've seen in a long time. Better than ANYONE in the draft this year. Better ORtg than all of them. A mind blowing DRtg of 78.1.

That you'd even dream that Skal was in the same league as KAT is beyond crazy.

Davis is the next best PF now, and he isn't even close to KAT. It kind of sucks that we've got a mid lottery pick in a kind of crap draft. #9 last year or #9 next year would have been far better.


Also, I'm a little surprised that so many kids have declared for this draft. Over 160 of them. Are 110 of them just praying they will get picked in the 50-60 range? Isn't 160+ pretty high compared to previous years?
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Post#1311 » by CoachJReturns » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:04 pm

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Kinger95 wrote:I wish people would just stop taking about Demetrius Jackson. He's not even an option at 9. He's gonna be 22 when the draft roles around and I'm convinced that he's not gonna go in the top 15. He shot 33% from college 3 which is not good and he's 6'1 with a 6"4 wingspan which is very pedestrian. I understand that he is athletic but barring a crazy performance at the combine I really see him as a similar prospect as Terry Rozier, Jerian Grant, Delon Wright and Tyus Jones. He does have a huge advantage with there being no other pgs projected in the 10-30 Range other than him and dejounte Murry which could help if someone reaches but I really think Delon is as good/if not better and jackson's not even gonna be on our short list at 9.


So he's not worth taking because he's 22 and he can't improve from here? Tell that to Norman Powell. Also, he may have shot 33% from 3 his junior year but he shot 42% in both his freshman and sophomore years.

Honestly I wasn't too high on him, but with Rabb going back to college I'm having to re-evealuate. Skal is such a big project that his bust potential is too high for where we're picking. Luwawu should be fine, but his handle is mediocre at best and that slow release of his isn't great. Davis is an explosive leaper, but I'd prefer someone with a better balance of offense and defense. Chriss is interesting, but I don't know if I want another 4 year project like Bruno and I say that as someone who typically doesn't mind long term prospects, but only if I think they are worth the wait. I'm not sure Chriss will be worth it.
That leaves Jackson, who doesn't look like a star, but seems competitive enough to be unlikely to bust.
I suppose we could talk about Sabonis, but the combination of him and JV would be terrible defensively. Just the most unathletic frontcourt possible. Of course, I'm hoping someone like Murray or Brown slides, but I doubt it. Ideally, Masai trades up, however, that's unlikely.
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Post#1312 » by Double Helix » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:09 pm

I'm fairly certain Coach Cal hasn't had one first round draft pick bust out in 7 years. The Harrisons were exposed and went later than the first round if I recall. James Young is still young enough to get it going (drafted 2 seasons ago at 19 and stuck behind one of the most crowded perimeter rotations in the league) but even kids that had some small question marks like Lyles and Booker made their marks quicker than expected. WCS came on late last year. Randle is already shaping up to be what he was projected to be. KAT is better than expected. Noel is what people thought he'd be. MKG is the Gerald Wallace type he was projected to be. Kanter has figured it out. 2Pat is an elite role player. Knight, Bledsoe and Wall kept getting better and became star PGs. Terence Jones is kind of a poor man's Ibaka when not hurt. Heck, even Archie Goodwin looks like a solid pick. Highly recruited kids (Skal was a top 2 recruit) with NBA-level athleticism at their positions who spend time with Coach Cal at Kentucky don't tend to disappoint long-term. He institutes an NBA-friendly system and prepares them for life as pros.

Skal's disappointing freshmen season is literally the blessing in disguise situation you want to have happen when picking where we are. In the past, at 9 you could just gamble on the High School star with upside (McGrady/Amare) and hope for that rapid development but with 1 and dones the kids who deliver quickly go top 5. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R0eFmSoGvU&sns[/youtube] Coach Cal tried to do for Skal what worked for KAT. He tried to develop him in the post more. Unlike KAT (because he isn't a generational freak like KAT), it took longer and he fell back on his strengths as a pick and pop guy and rim protector. Cal probably wants him to stay another season and will sell him on the growth WCS and others had by doing so.
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Post#1313 » by deeps6x » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:18 pm

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Kinger95 wrote:I wish people would just stop taking about Demetrius Jackson. He's not even an option at 9. He's gonna be 22 when the draft roles around and I'm convinced that he's not gonna go in the top 15. He shot 33% from college 3 which is not good and he's 6'1 with a 6"4 wingspan which is very pedestrian. I understand that he is athletic but barring a crazy performance at the combine I really see him as a similar prospect as Terry Rozier, Jerian Grant, Delon Wright and Tyus Jones. He does have a huge advantage with there being no other pgs projected in the 10-30 Range other than him and dejounte Murry which could help if someone reaches but I really think Delon is as good/if not better and jackson's not even gonna be on our short list at 9.


So he's not worth taking because he's 22 and he can't improve from here? Tell that to Norman Powell. Also, he may have shot 33% from 3 his junior year but he shot 42% in both his freshman and sophomore years.

Honestly I wasn't too high on him, but with Rabb going back to college I'm having to re-evealuate. Skal is such a big project that his bust potential is too high for where we're picking. Luwawu should be fine, but his handle is mediocre at best and that slow release of his isn't great. Davis is an explosive leaper, but I'd prefer someone with a better balance of offense and defense. Chriss is interesting, but I don't know if I want another 4 year project like Bruno and I say that as someone who typically doesn't mind long term prospects, but only if I think they are worth the wait. I'm not sure Chriss will be worth it.
That leaves Jackson, who doesn't look like a star, but seems competitive enough to be unlikely to bust.
I suppose we could talk about Sabonis, but the combination of him and JV would be terrible defensively. Just the most unathletic frontcourt possible. Of course, I'm hoping someone like Murray or Brown slides, but I doubt it. Ideally, Masai trades up, however, that's unlikely.


Are we planning on trading Lowry this summer and letting DD walk? I just can't see us drafting Jackson with three good PGs already in the system, and 2 of them still being so young. Plus, I see Jackson as a future player that will only be as good as players like CoJo and Wright. I don't see him as the next star PG for us. Some do though, so maybe I'm just missing something. I didn't watch him very much this season.

I wanted Rabb at #9, so him going back sucks. Skal could be a future star. He has the frame for it. But right now, all I see is bust if we pick him at #9. I'm not 100% sold on Luwawu. He has good size, length, hands, but still a small sample size against questionable opposition. Maybe he looks great in the combine/workouts/interviews, maybe not. Davis is the D player, Chriss is the O player. But there just isn't another KAT that combines great O and D. Sabonis looks like a Luwawu kind of pick. We can all see some good things in him, but the flaws, .. are they fixable?

Damn, I'd love to trade up for Murray. Or Bender or Simmons or Ingram. Outside of those 4, I'm not loving anyone.
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Post#1314 » by Double Helix » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:33 pm

Another way of thinking about it now that we've all spent more time getting to look at how an elite face up prospect can be integrated on a playoff team. Are you impressed with Myles Turner's mix of face up game and net protection? Do you think Indiana stole him late lotto last year and that he will be much better in the coming years? I'd say that coming out of college Myles Turner had some of the same strengths and perhaps more concerning weaknesses than Skal. Turner was longer and bulkier and had shown more 3 point shooting range but is/was less mobile overall than Skal is and seems to have a lower bball IQ (or used to anyway).
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Post#1315 » by Volcano » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:54 pm

I don't think Masai's gonna draft any weak defenders if their offense isn't projected to be near elite.

The more I look into it, the more it seems like Luwawu is a Masai type of player.

- two way game
- size/length
- shown the ability to improve

Imagine getting another elite defender on the wings.

Skal is a bigger risk and more of a project.
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Post#1316 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:04 pm

Double Helix wrote:Another way of thinking about it now that we've all spent more time getting to look at how an elite face up prospect can be integrated on a playoff team. Are you impressed with Myles Turner's mix of face up game and net protection? Do you think Indiana stole him late lotto last year and that he will be much better in the coming years? I'd say that coming out of college Myles Turner had some of the same strengths and perhaps more concerning weaknesses than Skal. Turner was longer and bulkier and had shown more 3 point shooting range but is/was less mobile overall than Skal is and seems to have a lower bball IQ (or used to anyway).


Man I almost fairly certain we and Masai more importantly takes Skal at 9. He gives us a lot of what the starting line up is missing and fits the defensive narrative we want to implement. Probably the best shot blocker in college basketball at 19yrs who is a PF is sitting at 9 and the raps are going to pass on him? No way.

I also think he is not as big of a project as it's being made out to be and probably won't have to play a lot in the 905 this year. We started Powell for several games and have had a rotating door at pf the whole season. Skal can come in here next yr and start for us in the same manner freaking scola started for us. If Skal is able to stay on the floor and not pick up fouls, then he can start for us. We have guys who can throw him lobs and he already has the pick n pop midrange game so our offense suits him.

Defensively he can hedge out aggressively and switch on to guards and not be on an island. He's too perfect next to val. His vertical game next to Val has me drooling. Teams won't be able to adjust to that or even compensate. Plus he has so much room to grow.

Skal will be a Raptor, i'm quite certain of it.
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Thank Nation! Pre-Lottery: Denver 9th, NY pick 7th (PART 4) 

Post#1317 » by Double Helix » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:09 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Double Helix wrote:Another way of thinking about it now that we've all spent more time getting to look at how an elite face up prospect can be integrated on a playoff team. Are you impressed with Myles Turner's mix of face up game and net protection? Do you think Indiana stole him late lotto last year and that he will be much better in the coming years? I'd say that coming out of college Myles Turner had some of the same strengths and perhaps more concerning weaknesses than Skal. Turner was longer and bulkier and had shown more 3 point shooting range but is/was less mobile overall than Skal is and seems to have a lower bball IQ (or used to anyway).


Man I almost fairly certain we and Masai more importantly takes Skal at 9. He gives us a lot of what the starting line up is missing and fits the defensive narrative we want to implement. Probably the best shot blocker in college basketball at 19yrs who is a PF is sitting at 9 and the raps are going to pass on him? No way.

I also think he is not as big of a project as it's being made out to be and probably won't have to play a lot in the 905 this year. We started Powell for several games and have had a rotating door at pf the whole season. Skal can come in here next yr and start for us in the same manner freaking scola started for us. If Skal is able to stay on the floor and not pick up fouls, then he can start for us. We have guys who can throw him lobs and he already has the pick n pop midrange game so our offense suits him.

Defensively he can hedge out aggressively and switch on to guards and not be on an island. He's too perfect next to val. His vertical game next to Val has me drooling. Teams won't be able to adjust to that or even compensate. Plus he has so much room to grow.

Skal will be a Raptor, i'm quite certain of it.


I'm worried he will move up in workouts to be honest and go a pick or two before us. I remember how impressive Chris Bosh's open gym workout looked coming out of Georgia Tech. That length and mobility catching and draining jump shot after jump shot and running through defensive drills like only a handful of PFs could. Skal is even more mobile and nimble and a better leaper than Bosh. He's going to make somebody believe in him during open gym sessions.
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Re: Thank Nation! Pre-Lottery: Denver 9th, NY pick 7th (PART 4) 

Post#1318 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:09 pm

Volcano wrote:I don't think Masai's gonna draft any weak defenders if their offense isn't projected to be near elite.

The more I look into it, the more it seems like Luwawu is a Masai type of player.

- two way game
- size/length
- shown the ability to improve

Imagine getting another elite defender on the wings.

Skal is a bigger risk and more of a project.


Skal ticks off those same boxes tho.

On draft day. We are going to have Powell, Ross, Carroll, Bruno as wings under contract. Plus our AS Demar likely to be resigned in a offensive set that likes to use a two PG line up. I really doubt we take a wing that's not Murray or the top 2. I don't think Luwawu pushes any of those players for PT next year, especially casey.

I really think he takes Skal at 9.
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Re: Thank Nation! Pre-Lottery: Denver 9th, NY pick 7th (PART 4) 

Post#1319 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:14 pm

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Double Helix wrote:Another way of thinking about it now that we've all spent more time getting to look at how an elite face up prospect can be integrated on a playoff team. Are you impressed with Myles Turner's mix of face up game and net protection? Do you think Indiana stole him late lotto last year and that he will be much better in the coming years? I'd say that coming out of college Myles Turner had some of the same strengths and perhaps more concerning weaknesses than Skal. Turner was longer and bulkier and had shown more 3 point shooting range but is/was less mobile overall than Skal is and seems to have a lower bball IQ (or used to anyway).


Man I almost fairly certain we and Masai more importantly takes Skal at 9. He gives us a lot of what the starting line up is missing and fits the defensive narrative we want to implement. Probably the best shot blocker in college basketball at 19yrs who is a PF is sitting at 9 and the raps are going to pass on him? No way.

I also think he is not as big of a project as it's being made out to be and probably won't have to play a lot in the 905 this year. We started Powell for several games and have had a rotating door at pf the whole season. Skal can come in here next yr and start for us in the same manner freaking scola started for us. If Skal is able to stay on the floor and not pick up fouls, then he can start for us. We have guys who can throw him lobs and he already has the pick n pop midrange game so our offense suits him.

Defensively he can hedge out aggressively and switch on to guards and not be on an island. He's too perfect next to val. His vertical game next to Val has me drooling. Teams won't be able to adjust to that or even compensate. Plus he has so much room to grow.

Skal will be a Raptor, i'm quite certain of it.


I'm worried he will move up in workouts to be honest and go a pick or two before us. I remember how impressive Chris Bosh's open gym workout looked coming out of Georgia Tech. That length and mobility catching and draining jump shot after jump shot and running through defensive drills like only a handful of PFs could. Skal is even more mobile and nimble and a better leaper than Bosh. He's going to make somebody believe in him during open gym sessions.


Only team that could possibly take him before us and after Bender is off the board is Denver. I unno tho, I hope they don't I think they need more wings than another big right now.
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Re: Thank Nation! Pre-Lottery: Denver 9th, NY pick 7th (PART 4) 

Post#1320 » by I_Like_Dirt » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm

Double Helix wrote:I'm fairly certain Coach Cal hasn't had one first round draft pick bust out in 7 years. The Harrisons were exposed and went later than the first round if I recall. James Young is still young enough to get it going (drafted 2 seasons ago at 19 and stuck behind one of the most crowded perimeter rotations in the league)


James young has time, but he's still pretty damn bad. Archie Goodwin went in the 1st round and has gotten big numbers for bad teams but looks like a bad player so far. Terrence Jones misses weeks at a time for hangnails and such, and got benched in his 4th season. Marquis Teague was a 1st rounder and sucks. Daniel Orton was a 1st and sure didn't work out well.

You do have a point, though. If Calipari's guys are going to suck, they probably fall a bit in the draft. But the draft hasn't actually happened yet. Who's to say that Skal doesn't fall like Young, Teague, Goodwin, the Harrisons, etc. did? If he does, how do you feel about his potential then? At this point, it's far more useful to look at what you know about Skal - what he can and can't do, and what you feel he will and won't be able to do in the future.
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