Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1

[kinein]

I dont understand why everyone ask Lin to take a discount. If anything, he should get a premium how much more traffic and probably translate into more ticket sales for the team.

I do hope him go to Mavs, TWolves or Spurs

That's because we assume that his values are the same as ours. His values have changed over the years, remember when he was with the Rockets he would cry himself to sleep because he lost his starting gig? Seems like he doesn't care about starting as much anymore, well this is what he's been saying. People also assume that he cares a lot about money due to the poison pill signing which doesn't seem to be the case either. Who knows? Will be interesting...

I think its time to move on past thinking whether he cares about money or not, everyone cares about their finances to a certain extent. You need money to pay for food clothing and your bills etc. So money does have value, and outside of people whom voluntarily live on the streets, homeless, or as wanderer, nomads - all of us care about our financial well-being as well as being paid whatever $ amount we think is fair or we can get away with as employees or business owners.

.. from a business standpoint which is that players only get "x" amount of opportunities to sign contracts for pay. Once you reach a certain # of contracts based on contract length + player age + performance with each contract - you are done with the NBA, father time is undefeated.

But another pov I have is, the chemistry and camraderie on that 2015-2016 team was fantastic, the enjoyment factor and the concept that "loving your job, loving the people you work with, and having an amazingly fun enjoyable work year" hmm you cant put a price tag on that. I personally would go with having a job id love to wake up to every morning, over inflated salary.
* now thats kind of me taking my artistic license, i don't know if he or the other guys LOVED this past year, but they sure did enjoy it. This is where my 50/50 comes in, Lin's already demonstrated a willingness to go for peace of mind and happiness over finances.

JLin is turning 28 this summer, say he signs a 2+ year contract, he will be 30 the next chance he gets to sign a contract.

So he will be trying to get paid at 30 while yet another wave of 19+ year olds enter the league surrounded by hype and fan-fare. He ain't no spring-chicken, and you know in 5 year 10 years 15 years, no ones going to be remembering that Lin took a pay-cut (outside of rabid fans) he will be a footnote in CHA Hornets history. I just don't see any sense why anyone would jeopardize some of their best years (as a professional athlete) and try to encourage their earning potential while they still can negotiate.

Back to money -

Jeremy Lamb next year starts his 3yr/21 Million dollar salary
* Looking at his usage and playing time toward the latter half of the season as well as through the playoffs, when I compare the money is set to make, and his minutes.... then I look again at Lin's money this year and next year.


* From the Hornets pov...

There are many other players that easily could fill the 6th man role and for a great price, Lin's consistency issue makes it easy for me to say that the Hornets could look out into the sea of free agents as well as the NBA draft and find someone that has the skillset they are looking for.

[yosemiteben]

I think he takes a one year MLE deal, maybe with a PO for year 2 just to get a little extra financial security. There is another wave a cap space coming in 2017 when the cap goes up again so if he thinks a change is necessary for whatever reason he'll still have a lot of potential suitors.

[bws94]

If Lin sticks around, I hope some of his fans embrace the comeraderie demonstrated by he and his teammates with the rest of us long time Hornets fans. It's a shame that it would also be a relief if he moved on because of his fanatics.

You know, I think this point is one of the most frustrating things about some of the more annoying Lin fans I have encountered (and today has been level 10 as far as annoying Lin fans are concerned). Lin is probably one of the most humble, selfless, best teammates I've ever seen in this city. He embraces the ideas of being a great teammate as well as anyone in the league. Yet many of his fans, the ones I speak of, act in a way that is a direct contradiction to how Lin behaves and how he would want his fans to behave and how he would want them to treat his coaches and teammates. The Lin vs the world mentality, the constant excuse making for Lin and pointing fingers at his coaches and teammates has been absolutely nauseating at times this year, especially today. That type of behavior would certainly make Lin sick to his stomach if he were to read the stuff on the boards (and others).

As a Hornets fan, I really want Lin to stay with this team. And I really like him as a player and as a person. He's a really good player and a great teammate. As a mod on this board, there is a part of me that will be relieved if he leaves because. I really enjoy interacting with a handful of the Lin fans that have been active all year. Sadly, there are a lot of Lin fans on realgm that I will be happy to never have to read a post from ever again and I'm only talking about the ones that haven't been banned for good yet.

It's a real shame.

Agree. It's been done on a number of boards now and this has been by far where Lin has received fairness and good support. Not everyone is going to like every player, that's just the way it is. But I think the majority here would love Lin to stay but really if he goes, the upside is the type of his fans you describe.

[kinein]

I think he takes a one year MLE deal, maybe with a PO for year 2 just to get a little extra financial security. There is another wave a cap space coming in 2017 when the cap goes up again so if he thinks a change is necessary for whatever reason he'll still have a lot of potential suitors.

I'd probably lean toward 80/20 on what you just said, might be the best situation for both parties.

[bklynstoops]

My guess, just a guess, is that if we offer salary in the range of what other teams are offering then he will re-sign.

That'd be my guess as well. But I think MLE would be pretty well under market value.

[2k15]

My guess, just a guess, is that if we offer salary in the range of what other teams are offering then he will re-sign.

I think Hornets can get away with slightly under market offer but I think it should be a good faith offer.

[bws94]

I'm not sure what the point is about speculating what Lin will do. It's clear that he likes playing for the Hornets and his teammates. It's also clear that he would like to be a starter or maximize his playing time (as any 27-year old NBA player would prefer). So the bottom line is that it will be a tough decision for Jeremy based on a set of factors that have not materialized yet, including what types of other offers he gets (starting role, salary, location, coach, teammates, etc.) and what personnel moves the Hornets make during the off-season (e.g., waive Al, sign certain players for less than expected, sign a Horford or Howard, etc.).

The free agency moratorium ends on July 7 so I'm sure there will be a lot of fun chatter and rumors in June through the middle of July.

Where is it clear that he wants to be a starter? It seems it is clear he wants to play with guys that for the most part get along and that he wants to have fun. That's the theme I hear repeatedly. Haven't heard much about starting.

Lin, like most players, would prefer to start. But I haven't heard any clear declarations that would be his priority going into FA.

Yes, some factors haven't materialized yet and he's still coming off of the emotion and focus of being in the playoffs. That could impact him. Right now I'd say Lin is heavily leaning towards a favorable continuation with the Hornets.

[cw3k]

I think most people here are being unrealistic. They are expecting a player, in this case, Lin to take another minimum wage contract so Hornets can be signed everyone else at market value or at a premium? Beside, if he is valuable to the team, then why ask him to take a pay cut? Just because he is a super minority in the NBA that doesn't mean he should be paid like a minority.

[2k15]

I think most people here are being unrealistic. They are expecting a player, in this case, Lin to take another minimum wage contract so Hornets can be signed everyone else at market value or at a premium? Beside, if he is valuable to the team, then why ask him to take a pay cut? Just because he is a super minority in the NBA that doesn't mean he should be paid like a minority.

Why play the victim card? Dirk Nowitzki took a paycut last year to help his team. People care about things besides money.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/11219095/dirk-nowitzki-takes-larger-pay-cut-expected-dallas-mavericks-agrees-3-year-deal-worth-25-million

[rallydurham]

Well yeah, the lakers didn't want lin and lin didn't want to come back that was an obvious situation. Like howard with houston.

Most free agents fit one of 3 basic categories.
1) almost certainly coming back. These are the duncan, nowitzki types that aren't leaving
2) About 40-70% to comeback to current team. These are batum, derozan, whiteside types.
3) almost certainly not coming back. These are the howard, Lin in la types.

Last year he clearly didn't fit their youth movement, offensive structure, and their coach/player situation couldn't have been worse. In those cases you can say things that aren't inflammatory but clearly indicate you are leaving.

In this case lin is a group 2. The Hornets represent a team that offers him a baseline role, contract, etc. He can use his ability to return to charlotte as leverage to increase outside offers. You don't wanna just drift around as a total free agent with no current role if you don't have to. That just harms your leverage with other teams

[yosemiteben]

They are expecting a player, in this case, Lin to take another minimum wage contract so Hornets can be signed everyone else at market value or at a premium?

The base assumption is that the team will not stay together if a large number / all the players from this year's team do not take discounts. Al, Marv, and Lin all said today they would be open to discounts to keep the team together. Batum says a condition to his sticking around is keeping the band together, and he's going to have to take a discount on what his top dollar could be for that to happen. Let's stop playing the victim card with regard to Lin.

[2k15]

I'm not sure what the point is about speculating what Lin will do. It's clear that he likes playing for the Hornets and his teammates. It's also clear that he would like to be a starter or maximize his playing time (as any 27-year old NBA player would prefer). So the bottom line is that it will be a tough decision for Jeremy based on a set of factors that have not materialized yet, including what types of other offers he gets (starting role, salary, location, coach, teammates, etc.) and what personnel moves the Hornets make during the off-season (e.g., waive Al, sign certain players for less than expected, sign a Horford or Howard, etc.).

The free agency moratorium ends on July 7 so I'm sure there will be a lot of fun chatter and rumors in June through the middle of July.

Where is it clear that he wants to be a starter? It seems it is clear he wants to play with guys that for the most part get along and that he wants to have fun. That's the theme I hear repeatedly. Haven't heard much about starting.

Lin, like most players, would prefer to start. But I haven't heard any clear declarations that would be his priority going into FA.

Yes, some factors haven't materialized yet and he's still coming off of the emotion and focus of being in the playoffs. That could impact him. Right now I'd say Lin is heavily leaning towards a favorable continuation with the Hornets.

I mean he cares about minutes. It's not clearly black and white (starter versus bench) but I think being in a high impact role is important to him. In a video interview a couple of weeks ago, he talked about how well the team is doing and that he is glad to "sacrifice" for the team and play his role. There isn't any confusion to me that he views limited role and limited minutes as a con.

[fafan]

Be honest, Hornets won't put Lin on the top of list and Lin also won't put Hornets on the top of list. That's a very small chance Lin will stay, but never say never.

[Flip Murray]

Be honest, Hornets won't put Lin on the top of list and Lin also won't put Hornets on the top of list. That's a very small chance Lin will stay, but never say never.

Based on what? Give me any piece of legit information that backs this up.

[2k15]

Be honest, Hornets won't put Lin on the top of list and Lin also won't put Hornets on the top of list. That's a very small chance Lin will stay, but never say never.

Gee whiz, I've never thought of it like that before.

[fafan]

Be honest, Hornets won't put Lin on the top of list and Lin also won't put Hornets on the top of list. That's a very small chance Lin will stay, but never say never.

Based on what? Give me any piece of tangible information that backs this up.

For Hornets,will put Batum, Marvin, Lee and a starting C (maybe DH) ahead of Lin for sure. For Lin, other teams who can give him starting position like 76ers or Nets will be more attractive.

[fafan]

Be honest, Hornets won't put Lin on the top of list and Lin also won't put Hornets on the top of list. That's a very small chance Lin will stay, but never say never.

Based on what? Give me any piece of tangible information that backs this up.

For Hornets,will put Batum, Marvin, Lee and a starting C (maybe DH) ahead of Lin for sure. For Lin, other teams who can give him starting position like 76ers or Nets will be more attractive.

NBA Rumors: Chicago Bulls To Start Jeremy Lin, Jimmy Butler Next Season Possible

Read more: http://en.yibada.com/articles/120639/20160502/nba-rumors-chicago-bulls-start-jeremy-lin-jimmy-butler-next.htm#ixzz47XSurjsy

[Flip Murray]

Be honest, Hornets won't put Lin on the top of list and Lin also won't put Hornets on the top of list. That's a very small chance Lin will stay, but never say never.

Based on what? Give me any piece of tangible information that backs this up.

For Hornets,will put Batum, Marvin, Lee and a starting C (maybe DH) ahead of Lin for sure. For Lin, other teams who can give him starting position like 76ers or Nets will be more attractive.

Two biggest shithouse teams in the league will be more attractive because fafan says so everybody. It's official, the Lin-Hornets partnership is over.

[rallydurham]

Ultimately, he seemed happy here. But his role has very little upside with kemba, batum, and lamb in the fold.

Teams like the mavericks will probably be interested and it's tough to take less money to stay here when a much bigger market, no state income taxes, and more upside in your role comes calling.

Or Brooklyn with a clear role and the potential new York allure.

The issue from the Hornets perspective is that we don't have a lot to offer lin and we don't really rely on his services so there's no reason to up our offer. We gladly qtook him this year because he offered a lot of value on a cheap deal. Once he's expensive it just doesn't make as much sense for a team like us who has such a tight budget.

So while I may place him as a group 2 "40-70%" type free agent where he says all the right things... it's clear this situation probably isn't optimal for his likelihood of returning. But no reason for him to say something dumb and rule it out. Plus if he trashes charlotte after he had a pretty clearly defined role that just makes him look bad to other GMs

[Flip Murray]

Based on what? Give me any piece of tangible information that backs this up.

For Hornets,will put Batum, Marvin, Lee and a starting C (maybe DH) ahead of Lin for sure. For Lin, other teams who can give him starting position like 76ers or Nets will be more attractive.

NBA Rumors: Chicago Bulls To Start Jeremy Lin, Jimmy Butler Next Season Possible

Read more: http://en.yibada.com/articles/120639/20160502/nba-rumors-chicago-bulls-start-jeremy-lin-jimmy-butler-next.htm#ixzz47XSurjsy

I see nothing legitimate in that article.

It says - ESPN insiders say that Batum will be priority for Charlotte

It goes on - Bill simmons has proposed theory that Rose will be traded.

And the coup de grace - Lin will go to Bulls for 12 million (this piece of article was pure speculation)\

In fact, the final piece isn't even a rumor. They made it up out of **** thin air.