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Post#401 » by fafan » Mon May 2, 2016 10:11 pm

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Based on what? Give me any piece of tangible information that backs this up.


For Hornets,will put Batum, Marvin, Lee and a starting C (maybe DH) ahead of Lin for sure. For Lin, other teams who can give him starting position like 76ers or Nets will be more attractive.


Two biggest **** teams in the league will be more attractive because fafan says so everybody. It's official, the Lin-Hornets partnership is over.


Calm down, I just said "if" and Lin did mention he want to become a starter. Yes, these 2 teams are tanking for long time, same as Lakers. But everything will change if have the right coach and players. Hornets hasn't been playoff for many years and just made this year.
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Post#402 » by fatlever » Mon May 2, 2016 10:12 pm

cw3k wrote:I think most people here are being unrealistic. They are expecting a player, in this case, Lin to take another minimum wage contract so Hornets can be signed everyone else at market value or at a premium? Beside, if he is valuable to the team, then why ask him to take a pay cut? Just because he is a super minority in the NBA that doesn't mean he should be paid like a minority.


Time for a timeout

First you made a post saying you wanted him to sign with X Y Z immediately after I laid out the groundwork for what would not be tolerated. Then you make this post bringing up race as a reason why people think Lin should get paid less. Derailing threads - today here as well as the game thread yesterday, baiting comments about race, these things are not acceptable.
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Post#403 » by Flip Murray » Mon May 2, 2016 10:12 pm

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For Hornets,will put Batum, Marvin, Lee and a starting C (maybe DH) ahead of Lin for sure. For Lin, other teams who can give him starting position like 76ers or Nets will be more attractive.


Two biggest **** teams in the league will be more attractive because fafan says so everybody. It's official, the Lin-Hornets partnership is over.


Calm down, I just said "if" and Lin did mention he want to become a starter. Yes, these 2 teams are tanking for long team, same as Lakers. But everything will change if have the right coach and players. Hornets hasn't been playoff for many years and just made this year.


Actually you didn't say if. You said "For, Lin other teams who can give him starting positions like the 76ers or Nets will be more attractive"
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Post#404 » by Vae Victus » Mon May 2, 2016 10:13 pm

Unless Lin wants to take another shot at stealing Kemba's job, he really should go to whoever is willing to offer him the best role and the most money he can possibly get. This playoff run has really helped him in showcasing that he's a bigtime player who wont shrink the vast majority of the time. If people wanna harp on his game 6, then wtf happened to someone like Marvin Williams. Same with Lee who disappeared a few games as well and who alot of people around think they ought to get money in the 10-14 mil range. While Lin should be HAPPY with 6 mil? An utter joke.

If Lin wants to be a starter, then he needs to goto somewhere that will hand him the reins and give him good money (at least 8 mil) as guarantee that he wont be so easily tossed aside. Lin pretty much maxed out what he can do with the Hornets (6th man), so why stick around unless theyre willing to pay a premium. If Lin wants to take the next step as a solid starter then he needs to go somewhere where he will get alot of starting mins and sink or swim from there. As i said many times before, he fails as a starter, there's no shame in being a top notch 6th man as he's ably proven so far in his career, if he succeeds, then great Lin was smart to put himself in that situation in the 1st place to show everyone what he can do. I'm sorry, unless Kemba goes down with serious injury or he reverts back to old Kemba, whats the point of Lin sticking around as a 6th man? While its great he's having fun and all that, he'll have MORE fun as a starter on a team that believes in him as a starter and not just a 6th man.

I highly doubt Lin wants to look back after his career is over and think, "man what if i had taken so and so team's offer to be their starter, would my career have gone better than keeping myself as a backup?" Obviously he owes it to himself to do whats best for him so why not go forth and take the chance at being something greater than what he already has. Whats he got to lose? He's already playing with house money in making it as far as he has already.

Personally i hope he goes to Dallas. I LOVE Carlise as a coach and i think he'd do alot in bringing the best out of Lin as well. He's an elite coach hardass who takes no bull from his players and i think he'd develop an excellent system to take advantage of Lin's strengths and minimize his weaknesses.
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Post#405 » by ChokeFasncists » Mon May 2, 2016 10:13 pm

13th Man wrote:This was an up and down year for Lin but overall it was a positive experience for him, so much better than his stint in L.A. and time in Houston imo. He had one bad game in this series but it was good for him to pick up this type of experience, it'll only improve his comfort level for the future.

Indeed. This is definitely the best playoffs performance he's had, since he didn't play in the first one, got injured quick in the second, played fine in the third, played great in most games for the fourth, I'm pretty sure it's only gonna get better! :nod:
I'm hoping that he can get a new shooting coach in the off-season because whatever he did last off-season didn't end up working. His 3 pt shot is totally broken.

Well, TBF his shooting form change wasn't to improve his shooting per se. It's really difficult to do that after so many years of repetition. There shouldn't be any doubt that after a season of getting used to and another offseason of intense drilling it will be fine next season. (gradually?)
Charlotte was a good place for him this year, great teammates, fair coach. As for next year it's too early for me to tell what would be best for him, will all depend on what type of offers he gets.

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Post#406 » by fafan » Mon May 2, 2016 10:16 pm

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Two biggest **** teams in the league will be more attractive because fafan says so everybody. It's official, the Lin-Hornets partnership is over.


Calm down, I just said "if" and Lin did mention he want to become a starter. Yes, these 2 teams are tanking for long team, same as Lakers. But everything will change if have the right coach and players. Hornets hasn't been playoff for many years and just made this year.


Actually you didn't say if. You said "For, Lin other teams who can give him starting positions like the 76ers or Nets will be more attractive"


You are right, Did miss the "if", but "starting position will be more attractive" is what I meant.
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Post#407 » by Flip Murray » Mon May 2, 2016 10:17 pm

Vae Victus wrote:Unless Lin wants to take another shot at stealing Kemba's job, he really should go to whoever is willing to offer him the best role and the most money he can possibly get. This playoff run has really helped him in showcasing that he's a bigtime player who wont shrink the vast majority of the time. If people wanna harp on his game 6, then wtf happened to someone like Marvin Williams. Same with Lee who disappeared a few games as well and who alot of people around think they ought to get money in the 10-14 mil range. While Lin should be HAPPY with 6 mil? An utter joke.

If Lin wants to be a starter, then he needs to goto somewhere that will hand him the reins and give him good money (at least 8 mil) as guarantee that he wont be so easily tossed aside. Lin pretty much maxed out what he can do with the Hornets (6th man), so why stick around unless theyre willing to pay a premium. If Lin wants to take the next step as a solid starter then he needs to go somewhere where he will get alot of starting mins and sink or swim from there. As i said many times before, he fails as a starter, there's no shame in being a top notch 6th man as he's ably proven so far in his career, if he succeeds, then great Lin was smart to put himself in that situation in the 1st place to show everyone what he can do. I'm sorry, unless Kemba goes down with serious injury or he reverts back to old Kemba, whats the point of Lin sticking around as a 6th man? While its great he's having fun and all that, he'll have MORE fun as a starter on a team that believes in him as a starter and not just a 6th man.

I highly doubt Lin wants to look back after his career is over and think, "man what if i had taken so and so team's offer to be their starter, would my career have gone better than keeping myself as a backup?" Obviously he owes it to himself to do whats best for him so why not go forth and take the chance at being something greater than what he already has. Whats he got to lose? He's already playing with house money in making it as far as he has already.

Personally i hope he goes to Dallas. I LOVE Carlise as a coach and i think he'd do alot in bringing the best out of Lin as well. He's an elite coach hardass who takes no bull from his players and i think he'd develop an excellent system to take advantage of Lin's strengths and minimize his weaknesses.



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Post#408 » by ChokeFasncists » Mon May 2, 2016 10:19 pm

JohnStockton wrote:I thought Jeremy had a great performance today. Played to his best abilities in the limited opportunities he was given. Looked to attack on every possession when he got the opportunity to initiate at the top of the key. Jumper actually looked good today.

Wasn't bad at all. Could have been a bit better sure but it was fine. Let Dragic score a bit in the first half but in the second half it was waterproof.

DWade slamming a screen into his back during the 4th was technically dirty--but a sign of respect IMO--since there's no reason for Wade to do that on someone he thinks is a scrub. It was a hard message to dissuade Jeremy from potentially going off--and also probably a message of bad blood from all the calls Jeremy has drawn on the Heat this series. Either way, it was a message that an opponent only gives if there's been damage done to them. Somewhere in the action is respect, and it was nice to see Jeremy not back down after the scuffle. Actually wished Courtney would've let them keep jawing. I was thoroughly entertained and wanted to see what would be coming next. :lol:

He has arrived! :nod:
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Post#409 » by fatlever » Mon May 2, 2016 10:20 pm

fafan wrote:
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Based on what? Give me any piece of tangible information that backs this up.


For Hornets,will put Batum, Marvin, Lee and a starting C (maybe DH) ahead of Lin for sure. For Lin, other teams who can give him starting position like 76ers or Nets will be more attractive.


NBA Rumors: Chicago Bulls To Start Jeremy Lin, Jimmy Butler Next Season Possible

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Post#410 » by bws94 » Mon May 2, 2016 10:20 pm

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Roy Tarpley wrote:I'm not sure what the point is about speculating what Lin will do. It's clear that he likes playing for the Hornets and his teammates. It's also clear that he would like to be a starter or maximize his playing time (as any 27-year old NBA player would prefer). So the bottom line is that it will be a tough decision for Jeremy based on a set of factors that have not materialized yet, including what types of other offers he gets (starting role, salary, location, coach, teammates, etc.) and what personnel moves the Hornets make during the off-season (e.g., waive Al, sign certain players for less than expected, sign a Horford or Howard, etc.).

The free agency moratorium ends on July 7 so I'm sure there will be a lot of fun chatter and rumors in June through the middle of July.


Where is it clear that he wants to be a starter? It seems it is clear he wants to play with guys that for the most part get along and that he wants to have fun. That's the theme I hear repeatedly. Haven't heard much about starting.

Lin, like most players, would prefer to start. But I haven't heard any clear declarations that would be his priority going into FA.

Yes, some factors haven't materialized yet and he's still coming off of the emotion and focus of being in the playoffs. That could impact him. Right now I'd say Lin is heavily leaning towards a favorable continuation with the Hornets.


I mean he cares about minutes. It's not clearly black and white (starter versus bench) but I think being in a high impact role is important to him. In a video interview a couple of weeks ago, he talked about how well the team is doing and that he is glad to "sacrifice" for the team and play his role. There isn't any confusion to me that he views limited role and limited minutes as a con.



MInutes and starter are two different things. Minutes, I agree, he wants enough minutes to feel he can impact the team and fairly consistently. A starter is a whole different thing and I guess it would be PG and he may not like the teams that would offer him such a position. I think Lin loves winning and playing in the playoffs and wants to go back there next season.
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Post#411 » by fatlever » Mon May 2, 2016 10:24 pm

Vae Victus wrote:Unless Lin wants to take another shot at stealing Kemba's job, he really should go to whoever is willing to offer him the best role and the most money he can possibly get. This playoff run has really helped him in showcasing that he's a bigtime player who wont shrink the vast majority of the time. If people wanna harp on his game 6, then wtf happened to someone like Marvin Williams. Same with Lee who disappeared a few games as well and who alot of people around think they ought to get money in the 10-14 mil range. While Lin should be HAPPY with 6 mil? An utter joke.

If Lin wants to be a starter, then he needs to goto somewhere that will hand him the reins and give him good money (at least 8 mil) as guarantee that he wont be so easily tossed aside. Lin pretty much maxed out what he can do with the Hornets (6th man), so why stick around unless theyre willing to pay a premium. If Lin wants to take the next step as a solid starter then he needs to go somewhere where he will get alot of starting mins and sink or swim from there. As i said many times before, he fails as a starter, there's no shame in being a top notch 6th man as he's ably proven so far in his career, if he succeeds, then great Lin was smart to put himself in that situation in the 1st place to show everyone what he can do. I'm sorry, unless Kemba goes down with serious injury or he reverts back to old Kemba, whats the point of Lin sticking around as a 6th man? While its great he's having fun and all that, he'll have MORE fun as a starter on a team that believes in him as a starter and not just a 6th man.

I highly doubt Lin wants to look back after his career is over and think, "man what if i had taken so and so team's offer to be their starter, would my career have gone better than keeping myself as a backup?" Obviously he owes it to himself to do whats best for him so why not go forth and take the chance at being something greater than what he already has. Whats he got to lose? He's already playing with house money in making it as far as he has already.

Personally i hope he goes to Dallas. I LOVE Carlise as a coach and i think he'd do alot in bringing the best out of Lin as well. He's an elite coach hardass who takes no bull from his players and i think he'd develop an excellent system to take advantage of Lin's strengths and minimize his weaknesses.


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Post#412 » by ChokeFasncists » Mon May 2, 2016 10:27 pm

JohnStockton wrote:The Heat should have run a Dragic/Whiteside PnR every single play after Clifford adjusted to put Jefferson in the starting lineup in Game 3.

In Dragic, you have an elite driving guard--and in Whiteside, an elite rolling big. Pair that combination and then send them off to battle against... Al Jefferson, and it should've been a massacre. It was such a glaring mismatch that I kept expecting the Heat to exploit it, but they never really did. Even posted on the Heat board about it, but alas, they kept running the majority of their offense through Wade, and occasionally Johnson.

Today, they finally abused Al the way they should've, not really because of scheme--but just because Dragic got hot, and so they FINALLY decided to let him initiate. Well, that move eventually just let things unfold naturally, and Al got roasted. You could blame Al for getting roasted, but let's be honest, he couldn't do anything about it even at his best. His shortcomings are what they are. He's slow and can't jump.

Whether Dragic could have actually been contained on PnR when the Heat played him as the initiating guard on the PnR is another question--and straight up--I think the answer is that he can't be contained off the first few dribbles unless you trap him--so whether Kemba or Lin were on him on the PnR, Dragic would be guaranteed to always get good separation after the first few dribbles (3-4 steps).

After those initial steps, Dragic would still be pretty open all the way up until the rim (that's why he had a bunch of pull-up Js in this series regardless of who guarded him). As for where his shots in this series changed, his shot selection was heavily based directly on the size of his defender, because if Dragic was going to the rim against Walker (and his lack of size), then Kemba regularly had no chance to stop or contest Goran if he got deep. Lin, on the other hand, gave up the same open baby J's as Walker, but due to his better straight-line speed, he could recover quicker when beat off the screen, and his size allowed for good late contests against Dragic for the majority of the series. Off the top of my head, I'd say that Lin would get a good contest on Dragic drives about 65% of the time or so--while Kemba could hardly contest at the rim at all. The 65 is a decent rate for just man-on-man recovery--but obviously not ideal overall--but that's why there's help defense.

My guess is that, Spo doesn't trust Whiteside enough to scheme for his offense. It makes sense since his assist number is so bad.

I thought towards the end of the series, they were doing a lot of what the Hornets were regularly doing: fake three, drive, kick, fake three etc. It was especially effective with Deng and Frank cuz Deng was so hot and Frank is a bit slower. It worked very well. Don't know if Spo took something from Cliff's playbook while watching film and scouting?
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Post#413 » by yosemiteben » Mon May 2, 2016 10:32 pm

It's pretty simple guys. If during the course of your post you find yourself typing, "I hope Lin goes to [Team X]", and Team X is not Charlotte, you're probably gonna get banned. We have a quick trigger finger on this. There have been more than adequate warnings.
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Post#414 » by 2k15 » Mon May 2, 2016 10:34 pm

Vae Victus wrote:Unless Lin wants to take another shot at stealing Kemba's job, he really should go to whoever is willing to offer him the best role and the most money he can possibly get. This playoff run has really helped him in showcasing that he's a bigtime player who wont shrink the vast majority of the time. If people wanna harp on his game 6, then wtf happened to someone like Marvin Williams. Same with Lee who disappeared a few games as well and who alot of people around think they ought to get money in the 10-14 mil range. While Lin should be HAPPY with 6 mil? An utter joke.

If Lin wants to be a starter, then he needs to goto somewhere that will hand him the reins and give him good money (at least 8 mil) as guarantee that he wont be so easily tossed aside. Lin pretty much maxed out what he can do with the Hornets (6th man), so why stick around unless theyre willing to pay a premium. If Lin wants to take the next step as a solid starter then he needs to go somewhere where he will get alot of starting mins and sink or swim from there. As i said many times before, he fails as a starter, there's no shame in being a top notch 6th man as he's ably proven so far in his career, if he succeeds, then great Lin was smart to put himself in that situation in the 1st place to show everyone what he can do. I'm sorry, unless Kemba goes down with serious injury or he reverts back to old Kemba, whats the point of Lin sticking around as a 6th man? While its great he's having fun and all that, he'll have MORE fun as a starter on a team that believes in him as a starter and not just a 6th man.

I highly doubt Lin wants to look back after his career is over and think, "man what if i had taken so and so team's offer to be their starter, would my career have gone better than keeping myself as a backup?" Obviously he owes it to himself to do whats best for him so why not go forth and take the chance at being something greater than what he already has. Whats he got to lose? He's already playing with house money in making it as far as he has already.

Personally i hope he goes to Dallas. I LOVE Carlise as a coach and i think he'd do alot in bringing the best out of Lin as well. He's an elite coach hardass who takes no bull from his players and i think he'd develop an excellent system to take advantage of Lin's strengths and minimize his weaknesses.



The difference separating Lee and Marvin's paychecks and Lin's is just a couple of inches really. Versatile wings are crazy in demand right now whereas PGs are much lesser so. I think Lin could fetch 9-11 mm but that would be an outlier offer. I think the market is probably around 7-9mm.
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Post#415 » by rallydurham » Mon May 2, 2016 10:39 pm

Marvin is just a more important piece than Lin. He's a starting level PF who shoots from range, protects the rim, rebounds, rotates defensively. These are just more valuable skills and in much more limited supply in the nba.

No one is debating that marvin had a terrible shooting series but he still spaces the floor and does all those other things. And i think everyone agrees he harmed his value slightly this postseason.

The bottom line is marvin will sign for more money than Lin because he's more valuable than him. He's got skills and positional versatility that literally almost every team in the league will be interested in. I guarantee nearly every GM with cap space will entertain the thought of offering marvin.

Lin on the other hand probably has 5-6 suitors who are mostly teams in our situation like dallas, indy, etc.
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Post#416 » by TinmanZBoy » Mon May 2, 2016 10:44 pm

rallydurham wrote:Marvin is just a more important piece than Lin. He's a starting level PF who shoots from range, protects the rim, rebounds, rotates defensively. These are just more valuable skills and in much more limited supply in the nba.

No one is debating that marvin had a terrible shooting series but he still spaces the floor and does all those other things. And i think everyone agrees he harmed his value slightly this postseason.

The bottom line is marvin will sign for more money than Lin because he's more valuable than him. He's got skills and positional versatility that literally almost every team in the league will be interested in. I guarantee nearly every GM with cap space will entertain the thought of offering marvin.

Lin on the other hand probably has 5-6 suitors who are mostly teams in our situation like dallas, indy, etc.


If what u said is true, basically Marvin is gone...a player market value has a lot to do with demands on the market....I can't see the hornets sign both batam and Marvin....
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Post#417 » by TinmanZBoy » Mon May 2, 2016 10:50 pm

I am calling it now, lin either takes the MLE or gone...I just don't see how hornets can pay lin above that...
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Post#418 » by bws94 » Mon May 2, 2016 10:56 pm

rallydurham wrote:Marvin is just a more important piece than Lin. He's a starting level PF who shoots from range, protects the rim, rebounds, rotates defensively. These are just more valuable skills and in much more limited supply in the nba.

No one is debating that marvin had a terrible shooting series but he still spaces the floor and does all those other things. And i think everyone agrees he harmed his value slightly this postseason.

The bottom line is marvin will sign for more money than Lin because he's more valuable than him. He's got skills and positional versatility that literally almost every team in the league will be interested in. I guarantee nearly every GM with cap space will entertain the thought of offering marvin.

Lin on the other hand probably has 5-6 suitors who are mostly teams in our situation like dallas, indy, etc.


Big MEH. The 3 games we won Lin was a huge part of all of them. Marv played big in 1 of them. Lin led us to victories subbing for Kemba and Batum, the 2 best players on the team. Marvin and LIn serve different functions, but MEH to all of your trying to put down Lin's impact and big role in the team.
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Post#419 » by bws94 » Mon May 2, 2016 11:00 pm

Both Marv and Lin right now, together, two guys who are very close to each other, both I think will take less money than they could get elsewhere to keep the team together. I hope we can keep them and I really don't care who gets more or not. The point is, they are saying, let's stay together. And both are valuable for the team in different ways (as the team is presently constructed).
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Post#420 » by PG13 » Mon May 2, 2016 11:13 pm

Some people got all excited, one way or the other, over a few tweets taken out of context. I would provide you with a verbatim of his exit interview but I have some round 2 games to watch. I suggest that you go watch the interview in full.

Another thing to bear in mind is, every year Lin seemed to land somewhere that no one, not even him, thought he would. You cannot outthink the Man above.

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