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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#921 » by aq_ua » Mon May 9, 2016 2:05 am

captvict wrote:Lol thinking the Clinton Trump race will be close. Trump in a landslide especially after he announces (my guess) condoleezza rice as his VP Won't even be close. The democrats owed the Clintons this one and they are hyping her up like some powerhouse.... But it is all smoke and mirrors....she won't get anywhere close....mark it down and book it....just my thoughts

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and others have suggested former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, as a potential vice president for Trump. But her chief of staff, Georgia Godfrey, tells PEOPLE, "She is not interested. She's happy at Stanford and plans to stay."
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#922 » by Smash3 » Mon May 9, 2016 2:10 am

No surprise the Don was going for Rice, he would check of the woman and black vote all at once, what a strategic genius. Pulling the strings with his little hands.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#923 » by captvict » Mon May 9, 2016 2:14 am

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captvict wrote:Lol thinking the Clinton Trump race will be close. Trump in a landslide especially after he announces (my guess) condoleezza rice as his VP Won't even be close. The democrats owed the Clintons this one and they are hyping her up like some powerhouse.... But it is all smoke and mirrors....she won't get anywhere close....mark it down and book it....just my thoughts

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and others have suggested former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, as a potential vice president for Trump. But her chief of staff, Georgia Godfrey, tells PEOPLE, "She is not interested. She's happy at Stanford and plans to stay."


That's sad news. She would have made him a lock for sure.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#924 » by aq_ua » Mon May 9, 2016 2:16 am

captvict wrote:
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captvict wrote:Lol thinking the Clinton Trump race will be close. Trump in a landslide especially after he announces (my guess) condoleezza rice as his VP Won't even be close. The democrats owed the Clintons this one and they are hyping her up like some powerhouse.... But it is all smoke and mirrors....she won't get anywhere close....mark it down and book it....just my thoughts

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and others have suggested former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, as a potential vice president for Trump. But her chief of staff, Georgia Godfrey, tells PEOPLE, "She is not interested. She's happy at Stanford and plans to stay."


That's sad news. She would have made him a lock for sure.

Marco Rubio after a sex change operation would be best choice, Rice would've been good as well. From all the murmurs, sounds like Trump will go establishment for the VP position, I expect the choice to be boring.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#925 » by captvict » Mon May 9, 2016 2:20 am

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That's sad news. She would have made him a lock for sure.

Marco Rubio after a sex change operation would be best choice, Rice would've been good as well. From all the murmurs, sounds like Trump will go establishment for the VP position, I expect the choice to be boring.

Lol. Donny burned too many bridges with Little Marco. Can't see it happening. I would go with Ben Carson at this point.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#926 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Mon May 9, 2016 2:27 am

captvict wrote:Lol thinking the Clinton Trump race will be close. Trump in a landslide especially after he announces (my guess) condoleezza rice as his VP Won't even be close. The democrats owed the Clintons this one and they are hyping her up like some powerhouse.... But it is all smoke and mirrors....she won't get anywhere close....mark it down and book it....just my thoughts


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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#927 » by CJackson » Mon May 9, 2016 4:00 am

Juggynaut wrote:I'll rather Trump than Hilary LOL. It will be glorious to see the world's reaction when Trump is president.


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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#928 » by CJackson » Mon May 9, 2016 4:04 am

captvict wrote:Lol thinking the Clinton Trump race will be close. Trump in a landslide especially after he announces (my guess) condoleezza rice as his VP Won't even be close. The democrats owed the Clintons this one and they are hyping her up like some powerhouse.... But it is all smoke and mirrors....she won't get anywhere close....mark it down and book it....just my thoughts


what are you laffing about exactly?

are you just sports betting here or are you saying you want trump as president?
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#929 » by postcall » Mon May 9, 2016 4:13 am

Now that Trump has the nomination I cant wait for the old flip flop on every issue. He is going to be more democratic than Hilary till the elections. Gun Laws, Campaign financing, Black people in prison, higher taxes, more unions and of course higher minimum wage and workers rights. Its going to be crazy and confuse the hell out of everything.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#930 » by KnicksGadfly » Mon May 9, 2016 12:17 pm

postcall wrote:Now that Trump has the nomination I cant wait for the old flip flop on every issue. He is going to be more democratic than Hilary till the elections. Gun Laws, Campaign financing, Black people in prison, higher taxes, more unions and of course higher minimum wage and workers rights. Its going to be crazy and confuse the hell out of everything.


This is gonna be an ugly race. Hillary's past is gonna dug up over and over and it's not gonna be pretty. And Donald...damn...well we all know he doesn't really care. Dude didn't even refute the KKK.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#931 » by Phish Tank » Mon May 9, 2016 2:31 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-national-debt-strategy/index.html

"People said I want to go and buy debt and default on debt, and I mean, these people are crazy. This is the United States government," Trump told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day." "First of all, you never have to default because you print the money, I hate to tell you, OK?"


Come on Chris Cuomo, you have to call out stupidity. Man up

Also, this is who is running for president, folks. Basically hoodwinking the stupid.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#932 » by GONYK » Mon May 9, 2016 5:09 pm

How is Trump supposed to be competitive if he's despised by pretty much every minority group?

I don't understand his path demographically in a general election.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#933 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon May 9, 2016 5:28 pm

GONYK wrote:How is Trump supposed to be competitive if he's despised by pretty much every minority group?

I don't understand his path demographically in a general election.


Minorities generally don't turnout as much as whites. It's a chitty way to win an election but, in general it's still much more important to get white people on your side then minorities. Obama kind of bucked this trend but, I don't think Hilary can get minorities as excited for her as Barry O did. Trump is pretty much trying to dominate the white vote while hoping that some of the rich minorities go against popular trends and protect their own interests by voting Republican even if it means Trump
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Re: Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#934 » by GONYK » Mon May 9, 2016 5:32 pm

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GONYK wrote:How is Trump supposed to be competitive if he's despised by pretty much every minority group?

I don't understand his path demographically in a general election.


Minorities generally don't turnout as much as whites. It's a chitty way to win an election but, in general it's still much more important to get white people on your side then minorities. Obama kind of bucked this trend but, I don't think Hilary can get minorities as excited for her as Barry O did. Trump is pretty much trying to dominate the white vote while hoping that some of the rich minorities go against popular trends and protect their own interests by voting Republican even if it means Trump

Perhaps, but I don't think there are enough white males to wipe out blacks, Hispanics, and women though. Especially since Hillary will be looking to pad her numbers with these groups, and it will be very easy to animate them against Trump.

Isn't that essentially what Romney tried?
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Re: Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#935 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon May 9, 2016 5:39 pm

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GONYK wrote:How is Trump supposed to be competitive if he's despised by pretty much every minority group?

I don't understand his path demographically in a general election.


Minorities generally don't turnout as much as whites. It's a chitty way to win an election but, in general it's still much more important to get white people on your side then minorities. Obama kind of bucked this trend but, I don't think Hilary can get minorities as excited for her as Barry O did. Trump is pretty much trying to dominate the white vote while hoping that some of the rich minorities go against popular trends and protect their own interests by voting Republican even if it means Trump

Perhaps, but I don't think there are enough white males to wipe out blacks, Hispanics, and women though. Especially since Hillary will be looking to pad her numbers with these groups, and it will be very easy to animate them against Trump.

Isn't that essentially what Romney tried?


Kind of but, Mitt's a little more moderate than Trump problem was Obama was a buzzsaw. Nobody was beating Obama in 2008 or 2012 especially someone who wasn't really willing to attack him at all in debates which Mitt certainly was not willing to do. Thing with Obama is he was always going to relate with minorities because he obviously is one and he's from a city like Chicago and he's an elegant speaker while also seeming like the dude you could just go to the park and shoot around with. He really was the best of both worlds as a candidate.

Hillary on the other hand has some really shady past dealings and wears a different hat every day. She's more "politiciany" than Obama was and this turns people off. She's just not really genuine... Things like the Hot Sauce comment and her working for a campaign that didn't support civil rights can really hurt just as much as Trump's supporters can hurt him IMO and I;m sure Donald will be pointing all of that stuff out and he already has by constantly referring to her as "Crooked Hilary".
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Re: Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#936 » by GONYK » Mon May 9, 2016 5:46 pm

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Minorities generally don't turnout as much as whites. It's a chitty way to win an election but, in general it's still much more important to get white people on your side then minorities. Obama kind of bucked this trend but, I don't think Hilary can get minorities as excited for her as Barry O did. Trump is pretty much trying to dominate the white vote while hoping that some of the rich minorities go against popular trends and protect their own interests by voting Republican even if it means Trump

Perhaps, but I don't think there are enough white males to wipe out blacks, Hispanics, and women though. Especially since Hillary will be looking to pad her numbers with these groups, and it will be very easy to animate them against Trump.

Isn't that essentially what Romney tried?


Kind of but, Mitt's a little more moderate than Trump problem was Obama was a buzzsaw. Nobody was beating Obama in 2008 or 2012 especially someone who wasn't really willing to attack him at all in debates which Mitt certainly was not willing to do. Thing with Obama is he was always going to relate with minorities because he obviously is one and he's from a city like Chicago and he's an elegant speaker while also seeming like the dude you could just go to the park and shoot around with. He really was the best of both worlds as a candidate.

Hillary on the other hand has some really shady past dealings and wears a different hat every day. She's more "politiciany" than Obama was and this turns people off. She's just not really genuine... Things like the Hot Sauce comment and her working for a campaign that didn't support civil rights can really hurt just as much as Trump's supporters can hurt him IMO and I;m sure Donald will be pointing all of that stuff out and he already has by constantly referring to her as "Crooked Hilary".


All good points, but I feel like both of the candidates "brand" is fairly cemented at this point, especially to those minority groups.

Calling her "Crooked Hillary" won't make people who hate Trump and know about Hillary think about her differently if the only other alternative is Donald Trump.

It may cause people to sit at home, but not swing votes to his side. I guess that is a path to victory in its own way.

I just don't see it, especially since she has had more votes than Trump during the primary process and Bernie will eventually fall in line.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#937 » by Rasho Brezec » Mon May 9, 2016 6:31 pm

I love how he's able to change his stance at every part of the campaign and not lose support in the polls. The guy's made of teflon.
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Post#938 » by j4remi » Mon May 9, 2016 6:55 pm

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Kind of but, Mitt's a little more moderate than Trump problem was Obama was a buzzsaw. Nobody was beating Obama in 2008 or 2012 especially someone who wasn't really willing to attack him at all in debates which Mitt certainly was not willing to do. Thing with Obama is he was always going to relate with minorities because he obviously is one and he's from a city like Chicago and he's an elegant speaker while also seeming like the dude you could just go to the park and shoot around with. He really was the best of both worlds as a candidate.

Hillary on the other hand has some really shady past dealings and wears a different hat every day. She's more "politiciany" than Obama was and this turns people off. She's just not really genuine... Things like the Hot Sauce comment and her working for a campaign that didn't support civil rights can really hurt just as much as Trump's supporters can hurt him IMO and I;m sure Donald will be pointing all of that stuff out and he already has by constantly referring to her as "Crooked Hilary".


Barring the FBI investigation turning up something major; Trump's not winning. You'll see a record turn out for Spanish voters and they'll be voting against him as much or moreso than voting for Hillary. His numbers with women are overwhelmingly bad as well. He'd have to practically shut her out on independents to even be close and I don't even think that will happen. The other thing is as we get closer to actual presidential ballots, he's gonna have to speak more about policy and you'll hear more cluelessness all the way through. That won't hurt with the voters he's accrued so far, but I can't picture many people hearing his recent comments about bonds and then printing money to close the deficit (as if inflation doesn't exist) coming to the conclusion that this man is equipped to run a country.

Most of the intelligent and connected Republicans I know are already settling on a loss and pushing Gary Johnson hard. They're hoping that if he gets enough early attention he'll fulfill the needs to get on the debate stage with those two, total pipedream but tells me enough about how traditional conservatives will handle this election. Dude is gonna be cooked, catchphrases and nicknames won't save him when the entirety of the country is paying attention.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#939 » by seren » Mon May 9, 2016 7:05 pm

Trump is less polarizing than Romney to the republican base. Unlike Romney, he is actually a populist and sounds just fine to the base. Despite running against and incumbent and someone who was more popular than Clinton, Romney still got 47% of the votes. As much as I do not enjoy it (not that I would care for Clinton either), I think Trump is the next president.
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Post#940 » by Capn'O » Mon May 9, 2016 7:14 pm

j4remi wrote:The other thing is as we get closer to actual presidential ballots, he's gonna have to speak more about policy and you'll hear more cluelessness all the way through. That won't hurt with the voters he's accrued so far, but I can't picture many people hearing his recent comments about bonds and then printing money to close the deficit (as if inflation doesn't exist) coming to the conclusion that this man is equipped to run a country.


This +1000. I hope the substantive battles are fought as hard, if not harder, than the ideological ones. He will get annihilated over the details.
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