This thread is a Safe space to hate the Warriors

[terry]

I hate Draymond Green's excessive celebrating after he dunks or makes a 3... but then is a whiny, cry baby, complainer when things don't go his way, and really should be ejected for it.

I hate when Stephen Curry chews on his mouth guard. Is he trying to look cool or something by doing that?

[Hangtime84]

I can't hate on this team. I love watching them play.

Me too. Funny thread though.

Steph is circa Pistol Pete.

I cannot be mad a team that plays together and shares the ball the way they do.

[hellenicbull]

+1000000 for this thread.

"I have a competition in me. I want no one else to succeed. I hate most (teams)..."

I hate Curry and the Warriors. No great reason, but I've always thought that venting your most base hatred instincts narrowly into sports is healthy and prevents you from hating real life and real people.

I'd like to have someone forcibly remove the ever-dangling mouthpiece.

I don't get the appeal of watching someone jack threes. He is amazing and probably the best scorer in the league, probably a top 2-5 player. But gimme the hated Lebron over Steph any day.

I completely agree. I don't like this team one bit, and they're a bunch of cocky ..... on top of it. Especially Green, and no Draymond you're not the best ever.

There really is no GOAT team if you put it in perspective. Heck not even the 96 Bulls were. But Jordans Bulls, Shack and Kobe's lakers, The showtime lakers, and throw in the bad boy pistons while your at it can beat this team.

I don't enjoy watching the three ball at all. The NBA has become a jack fest with little defense. It is what it is.

Heroes eventually grow old and fade away, and one day the Warriors (Sorry but Dubs is a stupid nickname on top of it) will become angry old men too.

[Shill]

This post is only tangentially related to the thread, but I don't see the ever increasing trend of 3 pointers stopping until new rules are instituted, or more suitably, old rules, such as hand check. The league purposely made it easier to score, especially for perimeter players and wings, and they have achieved, and then over achieved their aim. To the point where everything between the rim and the arc is devalued, outside specialists like LMA or Bosh. But for everyone else, you are considered a low IQ player to opt for 2 pt jumpers outside late shot clock.

Fast forward 5-7 years and I can easily see the majority of great players never operating in the middle areas, much like Steph and Harden rarely ever do. It's simply mathematics, 3 is more than 2, and yet for a generation having grown up specializing the 3, the difficulty to hit them is probably not commensurate with the rewarded points.

Once the % of 3s per team reaches a certain point, if it hasn't already, I think it is actually regressing the aesthetics of the game, as so much interplay is being lost closer in that actually matters.

Amazingly you can now hear a discussion among the intelligentsia if Anthony Davis will ever truly become the impact superstar it was once believed, unless he learns to add a regular 3 pointer to his repertoire. You can debate the merits of that argument but that it is asked at all is a worrying comment on where the game could be headed.

Popovich is even more militant against it. Most would say sour grapes, but I do think the league could be approaching a point soon where Silver and the rules committee have a discussion. Ironic right now, Cleveland is jacking more threes than GS.

"I still hate it," Popovich said. "I'll never embrace it. I don't think it's basketball. I think it's kind of like a circus sort of thing. Why don't we have a 5-point shot? A 7-point shot? You know, where does it stop, that sort of thing. But that's just me, that's just old-school. To a certain degree, you better embrace it or you're going to lose. And every time we've won a championship, the 3-point shot was a big part of it. Because it is so powerful and you've gotta be able to do it. And nobody does it better than Golden State, and you know where they're at. So it's important. You can't ignore it." -CBS

Yeah I'm just not a fan of where the game is going. I can't stand watching players jack AWFUL threes all game long. Back in the day, you'd never see someone who was like 4-19 from three in a game. It's a joke. But I understand it.

[terry]

is it considered hating the Warriors if the reason I want them to lose is because I just like seeing a new/different team win the championship ever year? (if they're not the Bulls)

[nitetrain8603]

I don't hate Stephen. I respect what he does and how he is as a family man as well.

Two things I do hate though are Draymond Green and Rachel Nichols constant bashing of any former player who thinks the Warriors aren't THAT great. She basically calls everyone a sourpuss and delusional if they don't share her opinion.

[HINrichPolice]

I'll bite.

Part of the appeal of Stephen Curry is that he's doing incredible, unbelievable things on the court, and yet, he's not one of these freakish athletes or giants that we're used to seeing. He "looks" like the average sized person that you could find at your local gym - obviously someone that works out, but not someone that's a genetic freak like LeBron or Shaq.

However, viewing Stephen Curry as someone who is "one of us" average citizens is simply not true.

He's influencing a generation of kids to believe that one day, they can be Stephen Curry. The students that I work everyday to believe that they are smart enough and can work hard enough to go to college and get a degree see Stephen Curry on TV and have these grand fantasies that they too can make the NBA.

But my students don't have the incredible advantages growing up that Curry had - growing up in NBA locker rooms, having a plethora of NBA players mentoring him, a supportive dad that happens to be one of the best shooters in the game's history, access to quality basketballs and basketball courts wherever he went as a kid, feeling safe whenever he wanted to practice his jumpshot no matter what time of day. These are incredible advantages, and Stephen Curry had them from the get go.

So no, Stephen Curry is not "one of us". No, my students should not look at him and say "why not me?" as they put aside their school related goals and jack up 3's, fantasizing that one day they too can be Stephen Curry.

They can't. And they shouldn't.

This SEEMS like you borrowed heavily from this article:

http://www.teach4real.com/2015/05/14/dear-steph-curry-now-that-you-are-mvp-please-dont-come-visit-my-high-school/

that was published last year after Steph won his MVP award. You too could also be a teacher who holds the same exact view points on Curry but it doesn't seem that way from the way your wrote it. I know this isn't English Lit but I figure people still care about authenticity.

P.S.

To the orignal poster, I don't hate the dubs but this thread was gold!

I'd be lying if I said that that article hasn't been a topic of discussion among me and my fellow teacher friends and fellow basketball coaches.

I'd also be lying if I said that in general, the idea of advantages growing up (growing up in suburbs vs inner city) hasn't been discussed by me and fellow teachers/coaches long before that article. Most relevant, the discussion I've had many times about suburban basketball teams always shooting significantly better, likely due to having nicer courts, rims, basketballs, as well as plenty of space to do it and to do it from a younger age.

So I take slight offense to the criticism that this argument isn't “authentically” one that I or any other teacher/basketball coach could construct. I do credit that author for spurring that discussion as it pertains specifically to Curry.

[nitetrain8603]

This post is only tangentially related to the thread, but I don't see the ever increasing trend of 3 pointers stopping until new rules are instituted, or more suitably, old rules, such as hand check. The league purposely made it easier to score, especially for perimeter players and wings, and they have achieved, and then over achieved their aim. To the point where everything between the rim and the arc is devalued, outside specialists like LMA or Bosh. But for everyone else, you are considered a low IQ player to opt for 2 pt jumpers outside late shot clock.

Fast forward 5-7 years and I can easily see the majority of great players never operating in the middle areas, much like Steph and Harden rarely ever do. It's simply mathematics, 3 is more than 2, and yet for a generation having grown up specializing the 3, the difficulty to hit them is probably not commensurate with the rewarded points.

Once the % of 3s per team reaches a certain point, if it hasn't already, I think it is actually regressing the aesthetics of the game, as so much interplay is being lost closer in that actually matters.

Amazingly you can now hear a discussion among the intelligentsia if Anthony Davis will ever truly become the impact superstar it was once believed, unless he learns to add a regular 3 pointer to his repertoire. You can debate the merits of that argument but that it is asked at all is a worrying comment on where the game could be headed.

Popovich is even more militant against it. Most would say sour grapes, but I do think the league could be approaching a point soon where Silver and the rules committee have a discussion. Ironic right now, Cleveland is jacking more threes than GS.

"I still hate it," Popovich said. "I'll never embrace it. I don't think it's basketball. I think it's kind of like a circus sort of thing. Why don't we have a 5-point shot? A 7-point shot? You know, where does it stop, that sort of thing. But that's just me, that's just old-school. To a certain degree, you better embrace it or you're going to lose. And every time we've won a championship, the 3-point shot was a big part of it. Because it is so powerful and you've gotta be able to do it. And nobody does it better than Golden State, and you know where they're at. So it's important. You can't ignore it." -CBS

Yeah I'm just not a fan of where the game is going. I can't stand watching players jack AWFUL threes all game long. Back in the day, you'd never see someone who was like 4-19 from three in a game. It's a joke. But I understand it.

I think this year I read something where the average was 28 threes attempted per game which is assinine. As a kid, it looked like fun basketball and all. As an adult, its gotten pretty old to me because almost every team does it. I mean, guys are praised for taking a step back three over taking the open, set shot 2 from the perimeter.

It won't change though until there's a dominant high IQ big man that makes teams constantly pay for playing small or until hand checking comes back.

[alucryts]

I really am not a fan of how stupid strong the 3 pointer is. It's like if home runs were always a grand slam in baseball; you'd start seeing players taking awful swings in an attempt to get that long ball, and the one team with a few who excel at it would just dominate the hell out of the game.

[Mech Engineer]

I think they need to introduce a 4 pt, 5 pt shot to lure guys like Curry to shoot from longer than the 3 pt line. It is more tempting and some coaches/GMs will start targeting the 4 pt shot/5 pt shot and ignore the 3 pt shot like the long 2 . They will obviously miss more shots. That will help the other team to get rebounds, finish faster if athletic on the other end.

The Steph Curry phenomenon is making all unathletic, 6 ft kids dream they can be in the NBA. It does some good because kids will play more basketball and not just cede to the athletic freaks, skill improves, ball sharing improves with young kids.

I have seen too many young kids pretend or play like they are Derrick Rose or Westbrook. That has killed the game more than Curry's impact. I like that impact from Curry. You go watch/coach a junior high league and all you see is the quick PG having no vision and playing like Derrick. That really hurts the whole team thing which you are trying to implement at that age.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I hate Ayesha Curry's slut shaming ways.

I hate Steph Curry's weak response to North Carolina's anti-LGBT law.

I hate Harrison Barnes' wanna-be-diplomat act.

I hate that I was priced out of Oracle tickets two seasons ago.

Other than that, though? I love everything about this team. They're just a lovable group of guys. I can't see it any other way.

[Trm3]

+1000000 for this thread.

"I have a competition in me. I want no one else to succeed. I hate most (teams)..."

I hate Curry and the Warriors. No great reason, but I've always thought that venting your most base hatred instincts narrowly into sports is healthy and prevents you from hating real life and real people.

I'd like to have someone forcibly remove the ever-dangling mouthpiece.

I don't get the appeal of watching someone jack threes. He is amazing and probably the best scorer in the league, probably a top 2-5 player. But gimme the hated Lebron over Steph any day.

I'm f****** so annoyed by that crap! It's a mouthpiece, it goes in ur mouth..not dangle around all game long!

I'm really disliking them a lot..they're a little too cocky, they need to be put in their place. They bump their chests and dance around.

Not to compare to our Dynasty Bulls but MJ nor Pip never danced after big shots. This is why I wish the game was called like it used to be in the 90's..I would love to see these guys get banged around. They wouldn't be winning 70 games let alone 60.

They were fun to watch before they got all cocky. I'm not going to say Stephen Curry isn't good cause what he's doing is amazing. He's making it look so easy from wherever he decides to shoot..his handles are amazing. He's really unreal at times. But the whole team needs to act like they have been there. Their cockiness is making me hate them.

I never thought I'd root for LeBron but if they meet in the Finals I'll be rooting for LeBron to slap the smiles off their faces.

[DuckIII]

The Steph Curry phenomenon is making all unathletic, 6 ft kids dream they can be in the NBA. It does some good because kids will play more basketball and not just cede to the athletic freaks, skill improves, ball sharing improves with young kids.

I have seen too many young kids pretend or play like they are Derrick Rose or Westbrook. That has killed the game more than Curry's impact. I like that impact from Curry. You go watch/coach a junior high league and all you see is the quick PG having no vision and playing like Derrick. That really hurts the whole team thing which you are trying to implement at that age.

Hell yes. Steph Curry is great for youth basketball, in my opinion. He is what he is because he developed his skills and basketball IQ. Not because he could just "out athlete" everyone.

I love it. From a basketball perspective, I can't comprehend the arguments that what Curry does is bad for the game. He's **** great for the game.

[Red Larrivee]

Is it still cockiness it you can back it up? Is it really jacking threes if you're making 45% of them?

I'm enjoying the Warriors. A player like Steph, a backcourt like the Splash Brothers, a team like this...doesn't come around much. I don't understand the disdain for the three-point shot outside of the influence it has on young players.

In Steph's case if you got it, **** flaunt it. They are great for the NBA

[DuckIII]

I'd like to have someone forcibly remove the ever-dangling mouthpiece.

I'm f****** so annoyed by that crap! It's a mouthpiece, it goes in ur mouth..not dangle around all game long!

[Mech Engineer]

The Steph Curry phenomenon is making all unathletic, 6 ft kids dream they can be in the NBA. It does some good because kids will play more basketball and not just cede to the athletic freaks, skill improves, ball sharing improves with young kids.

I have seen too many young kids pretend or play like they are Derrick Rose or Westbrook. That has killed the game more than Curry's impact. I like that impact from Curry. You go watch/coach a junior high league and all you see is the quick PG having no vision and playing like Derrick. That really hurts the whole team thing which you are trying to implement at that age.

Hell yes. Steph Curry is great for youth basketball, in my opinion. He is what he is because he developed his skills and basketball IQ. Not because he could just "out athlete" everyone.

I love it. From a basketball perspective, I can't comprehend the arguments that what Curry does is bad for the game. He's **** great for the game.

Yeah....basketball is not a 100 m sprint or 100 m freestyle swimming event. You need skills plus ability to play with your team. I coached 7th/8th grade kids and got sick of teaching these PG type trying to dominate the wrong way and not understanding the team game or worse ignoring better players who don't have the ball. And, for all the pub Curry gets for his shooting...he runs the system as well as anyone.

Ideally, you want your great PG to run the system for 25-35 minutes and be freaky, iso for a little bit and not the other way around.

Also, look for some innovation in the game because of Steph Curry being in Silicon Valley.

[DuckIII]

The Steph Curry phenomenon is making all unathletic, 6 ft kids dream they can be in the NBA. It does some good because kids will play more basketball and not just cede to the athletic freaks, skill improves, ball sharing improves with young kids.

I have seen too many young kids pretend or play like they are Derrick Rose or Westbrook. That has killed the game more than Curry's impact. I like that impact from Curry. You go watch/coach a junior high league and all you see is the quick PG having no vision and playing like Derrick. That really hurts the whole team thing which you are trying to implement at that age.

Hell yes. Steph Curry is great for youth basketball, in my opinion. He is what he is because he developed his skills and basketball IQ. Not because he could just "out athlete" everyone.

I love it. From a basketball perspective, I can't comprehend the arguments that what Curry does is bad for the game. He's **** great for the game.

Yeah....basketball is not a 100 m sprint or 100 m freestyle swimming event. You need skills plus ability to play with your team. I coached 7th/8th grade kids and got sick of teaching these PG type trying to dominate the wrong way and not understanding the team game or worse ignoring better players who don't have the ball. And, for all the pub Curry gets for his shooting...he runs the system as well as anyone.

And even that doesn't fully cover it. For his career he's averaging 4.5 rebounds per 36, despite having a limited vertical and a slight frame. Contrast that with Rose, who if he wanted to could be a Westbrook like rebounder at his position, who averages 3.8.

Steph Curry is basically the prototype for what you want young basketball players to emulate, regardless of position. He became elite because of on-court effort and off-court hard work and dedication to skill development. Does he have the advantages that HP mentioned? Of course.

But in teaching kids what to focus on, including normal kids and kids blessed with outrageous athleticism and everything in between, he's a model.

I mean, I don't see people bashing Tim Duncan, and he's basically the model at a different position.

[RedBulls23]

I really am not a fan of how stupid strong the 3 pointer is. It's like if home runs were always a grand slam in baseball; you'd start seeing players taking awful swings in an attempt to get that long ball, and the one team with a few who excel at it would just dominate the hell out of the game.

I think that's a very poor comparison. It assumes that it would be easy to get the bases loaded in the first place.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't get why people complain about the volume of 3s being taken. It's a tougher shot than driving to the basket (considering the lower percentage of conversion), but you have a player who is so damn skilled, that he's made it into art with that shot. It's like being mad at MJ for perfecting his fade away.

It would be like when Shaq was dominating and if people complained about him being allowed to just post up in the paint and calling it unfair.

Idk, I just don't get it. To each their own I guess.

[Trm3]

I'd like to have someone forcibly remove the ever-dangling mouthpiece.

I'm f****** so annoyed by that crap! It's a mouthpiece, it goes in ur mouth..not dangle around all game long!

[alucryts]

I really am not a fan of how stupid strong the 3 pointer is. It's like if home runs were always a grand slam in baseball; you'd start seeing players taking awful swings in an attempt to get that long ball, and the one team with a few who excel at it would just dominate the hell out of the game.

I think that's a very poor comparison. It assumes that it would be easy to get the bases loaded in the first place.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't get why people complain about the volume of 3s being taken. It's a tougher shot than driving to the basket (considering the lower percentage of conversion), but you have a player who is so damn killed, that he's made it into art with that shot. It's like being mad at MJ for perfecting his fade away.

It would be like when Shaq was dominating and if people complained about him being allowed to just post up in the paint and calling it unfair.

Idk, I just don't get it. To each their own I guess.

I more meant even a solo home run counted for 4 runs; in other words its so valuable that you start ignoring other parts of the game to go for it.

And my comment was more aimed at the idea that EVERYONE shoots more threes. I feel like the aesthetic of 2 point shots is just much more pleasing personally. I remember the acrobatic layups, or the contested fadeaway, or the nice post moves before I remember even the best threes. Defending a three is pretty much out of your hands; it's too hard to cover that much ground...even a single screen allows enough air room for three point shots. I don't like how defense is basically useless against a three...there seems to be such a low skill floor needed to get open for a three point shot. It's like playing 1v1 at the park against someone who SPRINTS to the rebound, then SPRINTS to the three point line and shoots a 3 every time. Where is the fun in watching that? My defense is limited to being a spectator of rushed shots.

Steph and the warriors just happen to be the best at using this 3 point nirvana to their advantage; no knock on them.