Lakers 2016 NBA draft #2 pick discussion

[The Skyhook]

This was also before the lottery when Jim and Mitch said they weren't considering a top 3 pick as part of their roster/assets because it's bad karma. I think if you can add Simmons or Ingram to the roster and move Clarksin to the bench then Lou should no longer be considered part of the core.

I hope we trade Lou. Having said that I'm not that hopeful considering there was not a single rumor or discussion about him around the trade deadline last year.

Didn't Jim name Lou as part of their core?

[AcecardZ]

What kind of value does Clarkson have?

For instance, say Mitch really wants Simmons and Philly likes Ingram as much as Simmons. Would offering Clarkson to Philly perhaps be enough to get Philly to swap picks so the Lakers can make sure to get they player they desire?

Clarkson's D is so suspect I'm not sure many GM's would seriously consider him a legit asset. Or am I way off?

[HartfordWhalers]

What kind of value does Clarkson have?

For instance, say Mitch really wants Simmons and Philly likes Ingram as much as Simmons. Would offering Clarkson to Philly perhaps be enough to get Philly to swap picks?

Clarkson's D is so suspect I'm not sure many GM's would seriously consider him a legit asset. Or am I way off?

Clarkson is a free agent, and would need to agree to a sign and trade. And any such agreement would be on or after July 1st.

[AcecardZ]

What kind of value does Clarkson have?

For instance, say Mitch really wants Simmons and Philly likes Ingram as much as Simmons. Would offering Clarkson to Philly perhaps be enough to get Philly to swap picks?

Clarkson's D is so suspect I'm not sure many GM's would seriously consider him a legit asset. Or am I way off?

Clarkson is a free agent, and would need to agree to a sign and trade. And any such agreement would be on or after July 1st.

Argh! Thanks... I'm woefully behind on what's going on. Other than watching Kobe play his final game as a Laker I stayed away from most of last season and am now in catch up mode.

Future looks much more promising now. Thank God!

[TyCobb]

If we get Ingram, a scorer, then I would hope the Lakers trade Clarkson.

Something tells me the Lakers are going to cash him in at the trade deadline next year.

Move him to the bench where he belongs and trade Lou. Addition by subtraction both to team morale and performance.

Depending on Clarkson's price, that is one expensive bench player...

I think Jordan is a starter in this league, but I would move him for a Center all day long if we could get our hands on a young one.

[Slava]

Something tells me the Lakers are going to cash him in at the trade deadline next year.

Move him to the bench where he belongs and trade Lou. Addition by subtraction both to team morale and performance.

Depending on Clarkson's price, that is one expensive bench player...

I think Jordan is a starter in this league, but I would move him for a Center all day long if we could get our hands on a young one.

Quality 6th men have good value for any team. Lou is quite bad when he is not foul baiting from the refs and his attitude of joking with the opponents, being an ass to Russell etc are just not good.

Clarkson is someone who can finish around the rim, shoot and act as a primary or secondary ball handler, that kind of guy is a superior player. The fact that he's been brought through the organization makes him more valuable to us.

We're not paying any of Russell/Randle/#2 pick for another 2-3 years so it makes sense to hold on to him longer and use him + Randle in a bigger trade when both amplify their value.

[TyCobb]

I guess that's where I believe Clarkson's value ends though. He's value right now, as a 2nd round pick + 2nd round contract. His value doesn't get higher than now. Gotta cash that in.

[Slava]

I guess that's where I believe Clarkson's value ends though. He's value right now, as a 2nd round pick + 2nd round contract. His value doesn't get higher than now. Gotta cash that in.

We can't trade him on a second round contract anymore so that time has passed. We just make sure that he receives a sensible contract so that he doesn't become untradeable but Mitch and Jim have given out some terrible deals (Nick Young anyone?) so I don't expect that to work out well.

[dipstick]

Seems like we're not even talking about the pick on this #2 pick thread anymore, but about trading Randle, Clarkson and Lou...

To put this back into topic (or attempt to), Serena Winters tweeted that BS said that the debate for last year's #2 was between DLo and Porzingis and not Okafor. Minus points for Porzingis for coming in out of shape.

With reports coming out that Bender is supposedly more Advanced than Porzingis, would not be completely unthinkable that Mitch also take a close look at other guys such as Bender for the #2 pick.

[Gus McCrae]

^^
I listen to the the Bill Simmons podcast pretty obsessively and two things I notice are A) he is extremely subjective when discussing the Lakers to the point I think he makes things up and B) he comes up with cringeworthy trade ideas that would make the realgm General board cringe.

Saw someone say earlier in this thread they didn't hear about us trying to flip Lou last year, I don't know if we did or didn't buy BS says we were actively shopping him for a late first rounder and nobody would bite

[dipstick]

^^
I listen to the the Bill Simmons podcast pretty obsessively and two things I notice are A) he is extremely subjective when discussing the Lakers to the point I think he makes things up and B) he comes up with cringeworthy trade ideas that would make the realgm General board cringe.

Saw someone say earlier in this thread they didn't hear about us trying to flip Lou last year, I don't know if we did or didn't buy BS says we were actively shopping him for a late first rounder and nobody would bite

The BS I was referring to was Byron Scott not Bill Simmons.

[Slava]

Seems like we're not even talking about the pick on this #2 pick thread anymore, but about trading Randle, Clarkson and Lou...

To put this back into topic (or attempt to), Serena Winters tweeted that BS said that the debate for last year's #2 was between DLo and Porzingis and not Okafor. Minus points for Porzingis for coming in out of shape.

With reports coming out that Bender is supposedly more Advanced than Porzingis, would not be completely unthinkable that Mitch also take a close look at other guys such as Bender for the #2 pick.

That makes sense, Lakers have also scouted Bender more than any other team so I'm sure they know what they have there. I just don't see the top 2 changing though, both are amazing players to walk away from.

[Spens1]

So Randle and Clarkson are on the board

Unless someone really comes in with a good offer i hope we don't deal them, i mean if we got Simmons and then traded those two for a young star (i.e. Wiggins, DMC, Paul George etc) i would be pretty happy, but no point just dealing them for a win now piece (like Melo, that would be horrible)

[Slava]

So Randle and Clarkson are on the board

Unless someone really comes in with a good offer i hope we don't deal them, i mean if we got Simmons and then traded those two for a young star (i.e. Wiggins, DMC, Paul George etc) i would be pretty happy, but no point just dealing them for a win now piece (like Melo, that would be horrible)

Source?

[Spens1]

So Randle and Clarkson are on the board

Unless someone really comes in with a good offer i hope we don't deal them, i mean if we got Simmons and then traded those two for a young star (i.e. Wiggins, DMC, Paul George etc) i would be pretty happy, but no point just dealing them for a win now piece (like Melo, that would be horrible)

Source?

nah just looking here at this thread. i really hope they aren't unless Sacramento come in and offer DMC or Indiana Paul George (which would be as big of a steal as getting pau from memphis)

[ak7]

What kind of value does Clarkson have?

For instance, say Mitch really wants Simmons and Philly likes Ingram as much as Simmons. Would offering Clarkson to Philly perhaps be enough to get Philly to swap picks so the Lakers can make sure to get they player they desire?

Clarkson's D is so suspect I'm not sure many GM's would seriously consider him a legit asset. Or am I way off?

Any GM trading for Clarkson understands that his athleticism and work ethic paired with the right coach will help him come a long way defensively. Clarkson's issues defensively stem not from a lack of athleticism or instinct but simply a lack of understanding and fundamentals.

Give him a coach like Brad Stevens who can teach Clarkson positioning, rotations, and the small nuances of a perimeter defender in the NBA and you'd see a much better player in Clarkson. At my arguments most simplistic state - you can't react correctly if you don't know how you should react.

He shows flashes of being a great on-ball defender and can play the passing lanes exceptionally well already. An NBA GM sees this - outside of attempting to milk trade value he is definitely a legitimate asset and one that I personally hope the Lakers do not trade abruptly until they see the fruition of his defensive growth.

There is no chance that the Lakers would use Clarkson to move up to #1, unless they are getting adequate value back.

[iamworthy]

For the record I'm Team Ingram. His length is just ridiculous and I know people hate on this comment but yes, I see him as baby Duranth or greek the freak. He's 18 years old....If we get BS I wont be mad but Ingram currently fits better with the lakers. We are currently in a leage that needs shot makers. I believe Ingram is a shot maker and will fill the lane nicely when DLO is running the point.

[tugs]

What kind of value does Clarkson have?

For instance, say Mitch really wants Simmons and Philly likes Ingram as much as Simmons. Would offering Clarkson to Philly perhaps be enough to get Philly to swap picks so the Lakers can make sure to get they player they desire?

Clarkson's D is so suspect I'm not sure many GM's would seriously consider him a legit asset. Or am I way off?

Any GM trading for Clarkson understands that his athleticism and work ethic paired with the right coach will help him come a long way defensively. Clarkson's issues defensively stem not from a lack of athleticism or instinct but simply a lack of understanding and fundamentals.

Give him a coach like Brad Stevens who can teach Clarkson positioning, rotations, and the small nuances of a perimeter defender in the NBA and you'd see a much better player in Clarkson. At my arguments most simplistic state - you can't react correctly if you don't know how you should react.

He shows flashes of being a great on-ball defender and can play the passing lanes exceptionally well already. An NBA GM sees this - outside of attempting to milk trade value he is definitely a legitimate asset and one that I personally hope the Lakers do not trade abruptly until they see the fruition of his defensive growth.

There is no chance that the Lakers would use Clarkson to move up to #1, unless they are getting adequate value back.

Yes, thank you.

Going back, I like Ingram better,but I'll welcome Simmons with open arms if he falls to us. Whoever's concerned with his jumpshot, just remember Tony Allen is now making 3's, Larry Nance Jr. and JC improved their mechanics during the off season.

[TyCobb]

For the record I'm Team Ingram. His length is just ridiculous and I know people hate on this comment but yes, I see him as baby Duranth or greek the freak. He's 18 years old....If we get BS I wont be mad but Ingram currently fits better with the lakers. We are currently in a leage that needs shot makers. I believe Ingram is a shot maker and will fill the lane nicely when DLO is running the point.

Simmons can contribute right away due to his size, strength, speed, athleticism, rebounding skills, and his ability to dribble with both hands effectively while running down the court. Hate on this comment but if Ingram is baby Durant then Simmons is Aussie Lebron. He is the perfect compliment for Russell. Russell is a scorer. Simmons is a rebound and push guy. He's get layups, dunks, and assists. I would package whatever it took to pair the two up. The egos, the familiarity, the playing styles, it compliments the Lakers and Hollywood too perfectly.

[iamworthy]

For the record I'm Team Ingram. His length is just ridiculous and I know people hate on this comment but yes, I see him as baby Duranth or greek the freak. He's 18 years old....If we get BS I wont be mad but Ingram currently fits better with the lakers. We are currently in a leage that needs shot makers. I believe Ingram is a shot maker and will fill the lane nicely when DLO is running the point.

Simmons can contribute right away due to his size, strength, speed, athleticism, rebounding skills, and his ability to dribble with both hands effectively while running down the court. Hate on this comment but if Ingram is baby Durant then Simmons is Aussie Lebron. He is the perfect compliment for Russell. Russell is a scorer. Simmons is a rebound and push guy. He's get layups, dunks, and assists. I would package whatever it took to pair the two up. The egos, the familiarity, the playing styles, it compliments the Lakers and Hollywood too perfectly.

I can do nothing but respect your opinion because I know you watch more college than me