Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[phiphan]

Durant at UT -- 225 (now 240)
Tayshaun Prince at UK -- 215 (now 216)
Ingram -- 195

Can Ingram even get to 215? What happens when a physical NBA wing gets up into him?

[Sixersftw]

wouldn't he have to have a 46" vert? 156"(13 ft backboard top) - 110" (9'2 standing reach)?

I like Ingram but that seems a little off.

[05PhillyAI]

If we draft Simmons and then get the 3rd or 4th pick, I would take Jamal Murray over Dunn....Murray fits much better with Simmons...more of a shooter...doesn't dominate the ball

Once again, people here and even the guys on sports radio, you all are going to be very disappointed if you're dead red on the Sixers taking Simmons. Better at least entertain the idea that they take Ingram 1

Not happening. It's done. It's Simmons. Why would you entertain drafting a lesser prospect? I could understand if it were between Towns and Simmons but it's Ingram.

Simmons is not on some level that's higher than Ingram! Simmons's flaws prevent that from happening. And if he was, the overwhelming majority of scouts would be saying so. The fact that scouts and analysts are split on the two only backs up what I'm saying.

[Unbreakable99]

Once again, people here and even the guys on sports radio, you all are going to be very disappointed if you're dead red on the Sixers taking Simmons. Better at least entertain the idea that they take Ingram 1

Not happening. It's done. It's Simmons. Why would you entertain drafting a lesser prospect? I could understand if it were between Towns and Simmons but it's Ingram.

Simmons is not on some level that's higher than Ingram! Simmons's flaws prevent that from happening. And if he was, the overwhelming majority of scouts would be saying so. The fact that scouts and analysts are split on the two only backs up what I'm saying.

Most scouts and analysts do prefer Simmons. And there is not one team that would take Ingram over Simmons if they were picking first. The overwhelming majority say it's Simmons. It's not that close. It's some media people who try to make it close.

[Winejk]

It is not the reason to draft Simmons...more like a by product if Philly drafts Simmons.

By all accounts Simmons should make an impact from day 1. Ingram might take a while to make the adjustment to the NBA. Philly has the Lakers' top-3 protected pick next draft. The longer Ingram takes adjusting to the NBA, the worse the Lakers' record will be and better off Philly will be. Whereas if Philly took Ingram and LA took Simmons, I would guess the Lakers record would be better.

[Ericb5]

Once again, people here and even the guys on sports radio, you all are going to be very disappointed if you're dead red on the Sixers taking Simmons. Better at least entertain the idea that they take Ingram 1

Not happening. It's done. It's Simmons. Why would you entertain drafting a lesser prospect? I could understand if it were between Towns and Simmons but it's Ingram.

Simmons is not on some level that's higher than Ingram! Simmons's flaws prevent that from happening. And if he was, the overwhelming majority of scouts would be saying so. The fact that scouts and analysts are split on the two only backs up what I'm saying.

It isn't overwhelming that Simmons should be the choice, but it is pretty overwhelming that he has the higher potential for becoming a superstar.

He is the more naturally gifted player because he is elite in things that are premiums and can't be taught. He has flaws for sure, but he looks like a superstar.

A lot of Ingram fans would draft him over Charles Barkley if he were in this draft and argue up and down how a 6-5 power forward won't be able to be great in the NBA. You can't argue skills over talent at the top of the draft. It just makes no sense historically.

Ingram is a terrific prospect. He can be penciled in as a quality starter on many teams. If we had the 2nd pick I would be thrilled that we were going to get him.

I just think Simmons is a tier 1 prospect, and Ingram is tier 2, and that is all I need to know about who to select.

[Unbreakable99]

Not happening. It's done. It's Simmons. Why would you entertain drafting a lesser prospect? I could understand if it were between Towns and Simmons but it's Ingram.

Simmons is not on some level that's higher than Ingram! Simmons's flaws prevent that from happening. And if he was, the overwhelming majority of scouts would be saying so. The fact that scouts and analysts are split on the two only backs up what I'm saying.

It isn't overwhelming that Simmons should be the choice, but it is pretty overwhelming that he has the higher potential for becoming a superstar.

He is the more naturally gifted player because he is elite in things that are premiums and can't be taught. He has flaws for sure, but he looks like a superstar.

A lot of Ingram fans would draft him over Charles Barkley if he were in this draft and argue up and down how a 6-5 power forward won't be able to be great in the NBA. You can't argue skills over talent at the top of the draft. It just makes no sense historically.

Ingram is a terrific prospect. He can be penciled in as a quality starter on many teams. If we had the 2nd pick I would be thrilled that we were going to get him.

I just think Simmons is a tier 1 prospect, and Ingram is tier 2, and that is all I need to know about who to select.

Yeah. I would have been very happy with Ingram at 2. I have nothing against him. I really do like him but he doesn't compare to Simmons. We have the first pick. Simmons or bust.

[05PhillyAI]

Years from now, When Simmons becomes Lamar Odom sans crack cocaine and Ingram is leading his team to the NBA finals, I along with many others will say "I told you so".

[bedjawII]

Once again, people here and even the guys on sports radio, you all are going to be very disappointed if you're dead red on the Sixers taking Simmons. Better at least entertain the idea that they take Ingram 1

Not happening. It's done. It's Simmons. Why would you entertain drafting a lesser prospect? I could understand if it were between Towns and Simmons but it's Ingram.

Simmons is not on some level that's higher than Ingram! Simmons's flaws prevent that from happening. And if he was, the overwhelming majority of scouts would be saying so. The fact that scouts and analysts are split on the two only backs up what I'm saying.

In what world are they split? There are only a few who say Ingram but that happens every year. Simmons is clearly the better prospect. Will he bea better player? Who knows because Ingram is a very good player. But BS is exceptional.

[Mik317]

Years from now, When Simmons becomes Lamar Odom sans crack cocaine and Ingram is leading his team to the NBA finals, I along with many others will say "I told you so".

the fact that you probably wish for this to happen instead of Simmons being good says more about you than anything. I swear people would rather be right on the internet than their team having actual success.

[05PhillyAI]

Years from now, When Simmons becomes Lamar Odom sans crack cocaine and Ingram is leading his team to the NBA finals, I along with many others will say "I told you so".

the fact that you probably wish for this to happen instead of Simmons being good says more about you than anything. I swear people would rather be right on the internet than their team having actual success.

I'll add to my post...if I'm wrong about Ingram v Simmons, I'll most certainly eat a big plate of crow.

I personally don't believe in passing on a guy who could lead the league in scoring one day.

[Mik317]

also Odom WITH Crack Cocaine won two chips as an important piece. Odom with his head on straight is a player that can help you win. Simmons probably won't be option number one for us. But I don't think that's Ingram's role either longterm. Embiid or whoever we draft next year probably better fills the alpha dog role.

This idea that we are going to start contending asap is a dream. Even if Colangelo goes out and get a bunch of guys, the pick swap, the Lakers pick and our general youth probably means we are sitting in the lottery next year anyway. Its weird that people are in such a hurry to build the perfect roster ASAP. We won 10 games. Our best prospect currently hasn't played in 2 years and may never be what we thought he was. All this talk about fit and team building is rather pointless in the face of that. Yes having a more structured roster is better for all but that doesn't mean you make short sighted choices to get there.

Also all of this talk about how Simmons doesn't fit in the Neo NBA is hogwash. Yes, he needs to become passable shooter and more locked in defender. I don't think that is up for debate. He needs that to reach his potential. However, many of the "best" sets in basketball has a guy stand at the top of the key and make crisp passes to cutters and shooters. Its often not the PG actually. Bogut and Green do this for the Warriors. Bron and Love do this for the Cavs. Duncan did it for the Spurs for years. We run a lot of those sets...but with Noel. It fails because Noel's lack of jumper but also the fact that he doesn't (or can't...I think he can at times...he is just awkward) take dudes off the bounce and our **** ass movement. Simmons will now take that role. He lacks the jumper and it will suck for a bit but the threat of the drive is actually there. Hell, even with Noel it worked because of Noel's sneaky good passing (this is where the poor movement comes into play and that will need to be fixed with better players hopefully). These are basic sets that work in the playoffs especially. The Neo NBA isn't just about shooting...its about ball movement. yes you need both to be great...but one guy doesn't need to give you all of that by himself either. Yes Ingram can fill this role too. But he isn't the passer, driver or finisher Simmons is.

again. I have spent a lot of time defending Simmons honor. So I imagine it looks like I hate Ingram...i don't. I think he's going to be really good and if he is the choice, I won't be a twatlord and whine when he struggles (as rookies tend to do). I fear Simmons going to LA and learning how to shoot and yet again the Sixers **** up (although the jerk in me might relish this as a big FU to Jerry and Harris...but that would be a short lived "win"). Like I get why everyone is high on Ingram. I even understand some of the issues people have with Simmons. I get the fear of his lack of shot being permanent. But it feels like the Pro Ingram crowd is going too hard in the paint and are exaggerating a lot of things to prove their point.

[Ericb5]

Years from now, When Simmons becomes Lamar Odom sans crack cocaine and Ingram is leading his team to the NBA finals, I along with many others will say "I told you so".

the fact that you probably wish for this to happen instead of Simmons being good says more about you than anything. I swear people would rather be right on the internet than their team having actual success.

I'll add to my post...if I'm wrong about Ingram v Simmons, I'll most certainly eat a big plate of crow.

I personally don't believe in passing on a guy who could lead the league in scoring one day.

Oh come on. Ingram isn't going to lead the league in scoring!

Is he as good of a scorer as Melo? No. Melo never led the league in scoring either.

[JordanMars]

Simmons is going to be the pick, Colangelo loves the kid from what i hear.

[Eyeamok]

Years from now, When Simmons becomes Lamar Odom sans crack cocaine and Ingram is leading his team to the NBA finals, I along with many others will say "I told you so".

Ingram could very well be leading his team to the NBA finals and you can say "I told you so " but what good would it do when the team he is facing is lead by Embiid and Simmions. Your " told you so" becomes moot !!

And if Simmons becomes the Star and Ingram does not and we draft Ingram. What can we trade your "told you so" for?

[Negrodamus]

I'm curious what we will do when Simmons is on the bench?

Will Saric step and run a similar role?

[Mik317]

I'm curious what we will do when Simmons is on the bench?

Will Saric step and run a similar role?

That would be neat. and if Saric's newfound shot is for real...he and Simmons could play in some weird ass small ball lineups too.

[Ericb5]

I'm curious what we will do when Simmons is on the bench?

Will Saric step and run a similar role?

That would be neat. and if Saric's newfound shot is for real...he and Simmons could play in some weird ass small ball lineups too.

Saric and Simmons should be very interesting together. If Saric come off the bench then it will be great to have a point forward type on the floor at all times.

[PhilasFinest]

Years from now, When Simmons becomes Lamar Odom sans crack cocaine and Ingram is leading his team to the NBA finals, I along with many others will say "I told you so".

[PhilasFinest]

I'm curious what we will do when Simmons is on the bench?

Will Saric step and run a similar role?

Would make sense. I guess with their versatility/size you could use them in so many ways and styles. Really gives Brown and the coaching staff a lot of options.