Official Rap/Hip Hop Thread IV

[Greenie]

So that guy Desiigner can actually rap...

Link? Kind of sad when I found out he was from NYC.

Look up the lyrics to Panda...
The sh*t is witty.

You would never know it though...

[Sixteen]

So that guy Desiigner can actually rap...

Link? Kind of sad when I found out he was from NYC.

Look up the lyrics to Panda...
The sh*t is witty.

You would never know it though...

Felt like I was reading Meek Mill lyrics. Good enough, but nothing spectacular.

[Mecca]

So that guy Desiigner can actually rap...

Link? Kind of sad when I found out he was from NYC.

Look up the lyrics to Panda...
The sh*t is witty.

You would never know it though...

Witty? Lmao chyll. I gotta stop talking rap on a basketball message board.

[Sixteen]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giXydT26mo8[/youtube]


One of the many Pandas

[JBreezeNY]

Panda is witty on a really basic level.

It's the type of bars that if you're not a deep hip-hop fan you could be oh sh*t he's lyrical.

[Greenie]

Panda is witty on a really basic level.

It's the type of bars that if you're not a deep hip-hop fan you could be oh sh*t he's lyrical.

Have you noticed the ages of people who find dudes Skippa da Flippa, Migos and so on lyrical? They are young. You can't hate on them. It doesn't mean they are not a "deep" hip hop fan. Older people love sh*tting on what hot with the youngin's.

This Panda dude is far from a great artist but the song makes much more since when I can understand what the hell he's saying, that's all.

[Greenie]

"Choppers go Oscar for Grammy" is a tad bit slick. I'm just saying. I use it as a bop. Sounds good in the car.

[JBreezeNY]

Panda is witty on a really basic level.

It's the type of bars that if you're not a deep hip-hop fan you could be oh sh*t he's lyrical.

Have you noticed the ages of people who find dudes Skippa da Flippa, Migos and so on lyrical? They are young. You can't hate on them. It doesn't mean they are not a "deep" hip hop fan. Older people love sh*tting on what hot with the youngin's.

This Panda dude is far from a great artist but the song makes much more since when I can understand what the hell he's saying, that's all.

Yeah exactly I got what you were referring to.

The best thing I can really say on it, is compared to a lot of artists that spit really, really, REALLY ABC lines, Panda does stand out from that.

I would be lying if I didn't say

"Know some killas pull off and they in the Wraith
CTD, pull up in the killa Bape
Call up Phillip-Phillip, gon' fill the bank
N*ggas up in the bank, we gon' drill the bank
Fu*k we gon' kill the bank, get it"

or

"Whole bunch of lavish sh*t
They be askin' 'round town who be clappin' sh*t
I be pullin' up stuff in the Phantom ship
I got plenty of stuff of Bugatti whip look how I drive this sh*t"

didn't make me go "hmm, not bad"

He's good with syllables because he can ride the beat.

[Greenie]

Panda is witty on a really basic level.

It's the type of bars that if you're not a deep hip-hop fan you could be oh sh*t he's lyrical.

Have you noticed the ages of people who find dudes Skippa da Flippa, Migos and so on lyrical? They are young. You can't hate on them. It doesn't mean they are not a "deep" hip hop fan. Older people love sh*tting on what hot with the youngin's.

This Panda dude is far from a great artist but the song makes much more since when I can understand what the hell he's saying, that's all.

Yeah exactly I got what you were referring to.

The best thing I can really say on it, is compared to a lot of artists that spit really, really, REALLY ABC lines, Panda does stand out from that.

I would be lying if I didn't say

"Know some killas pull off and they in the Wraith
CTD, pull up in the killa Bape
Call up Phillip-Phillip, gon' fill the bank
N*ggas up in the bank, we gon' drill the bank
Fu*k we gon' kill the bank, get it"

or

"Whole bunch of lavish sh*t
They be askin' 'round town who be clappin' sh*t
I be pullin' up stuff in the Phantom ship
I got plenty of stuff of Bugatti whip look how I drive this sh*t"

didn't make me go "hmm, not bad"

He's good with syllables because he can ride the beat.

Exactly

[SelbyCobra]

What is everyone's opinion of that white suburban high school kid with the fun lyricism? I mean, he's not spitting anything deep obviously, but I got a kick out of his lyrical ability when I saw someone link this video on Youtube:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCGyGCFI9hk[/youtube]

[IllmaticHandler]

Its not about age as much as its about reasoning ability these days. People don't want to admit it, but the youth are dumbed down a lot compared to just 15 years ago. IQ levels are dropping drastically. Its why most people only want to party nowadays. They are contaminating Black Neighborhoods with lead in the water which stunts learning and processing ability ALOT. There are all kinds of environmental factors here why rhyming has become so basic, or even nothing but mumbling on face value.



Where in a time where a NAS rhyme on Illmatic would be to much to comprehend for mad youth. Look at Athletes today compared to the 90's... Most can't even talk with any Ability. You would never see a 90's athlete as poor a speaker as these cats these days. You have to remember that cats like Rakim, Biggie, Nas, Prodigy and mad others were TEENAGERS when they Blew up. They were the same ages as these cats but with MUCH HIGHER intellect. They did not give a **** about school just like the youth today, but they still had high IQ's.

Migos, Chief Keef and Songs like Panda are showing how America is becoming dumb. We in an era where Music that is not even audible really is rulling the air ways. Its not simple cause its modern, its simple cause in many ways cats lack the ability to be complex.


Look at Rihanna Song Work. Its a poorly written song, yet it was number one. 15 years ago, a song that poorly written would never be such a huge smash. Its the same reason why as popular as Kendrick Lamar is, all the accolades he gets, he not rulling the radio. Its to much for the average listener. There was a time when the average listener was able to breakdown lyrics of that type of skill set.

Its more than it Just being a modern style(simplicity)...its also about how cats are becoming dumber. The rapper and the Fan.


Most youth don't like older hip hop, not cause its dated, but because of the mental capacity to even understand what they are saying, they lack. AT 17 I understood Nas. For Many of todays youth they can't comprehend the lyrics like that. Its that simple, and that Real.


I live in Brownsville BK. I am around this everyday.

[j4remi]

Simplified rhyme schemes and short bars limit what an emcee can honestly get away with. It's incredibly difficult to lace even 16 bars without a forced rhyme or reaching; technically the goal is to come off as naturally as possible with the language. Short bars and rapid flows make that damn near impossible. You can't sound natural, but you can still use conventions and tricks to make your verse hit on different levels. The rapid flow cats do a lot of imagery ish that lets them get away with what old school considered reaches.

That Panda track, I actually like every stop and go before the Oscar to Grammy bar more. Sellin' bars, Candy...clear double entendre; Pockets swole, Danny...hated it until I heard that it's a callback to another of his songs; I'm Macho like Randy...clear simile; Then you got the choppa goes Oscar for Grammy...It's a clever wordplay but the surface context is lacking a bit. So that's four lyrical techniques though. Double entendre, a callback for his fans, Simile, Category Wordplay...all squeezed into four short bars. It's impressive enough to give a pass on the simple scheme and I don't mind that it doesn't read naturally in the context of the delivery.

Migos are the absolute best at this stuff. They manage to sneak stories and images into that short bar format that few if any other emcees have managed to do. But then some really corny ish stands out more because the simplified rhymes make the bad bars stand out. One of 'em on Finesser starts a verse with an "on a hill like jack and jill" bar which is so lame you'll risk missing an actual story he tells in the next few bars because you eye rolled and shut down on it. It's a rapid fire, mini story about a kid who was so hungry for money he tried to scam the drug game and got killed...I felt it, I like the verse, but I can't play that damned song without cats cutting it off before we get to a payoff in lyricism.

Straight up, I don't think you can make a strong concept track with that style. But I don't think you can make a radio friendly super hit with overly complicated concepts and writing (Jay-Z with the "Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense...but I did 5 mil...I ain't been rhymin' like Common Sense). This ish has been a pretty common belief throughout eras; you can be lyrical or you can sell big...but achieving both is damn near impossible.

[Phish Tank]

i read Desiigner's annotations to his lyrics in Panda.... very witty and clever. No wonder Kanye West & Pusha T were huge fans of him.

[IllmaticHandler]

I recently saw a video that NAS said he was only SIXTEEN WHEN HE WROTE THIS.


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta3srWr4sJQ[/youtube]

[IllmaticHandler]

Im not even a fan of Kendrick like that, but respect his Skill Set. Sun was only 16 when he wrote this. This was a common skill set in many ways for mad cats back then. How many at 16 can handle the mic like this now a days.... very few


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-puc5M-K8Kc[/youtube]

[IllmaticHandler]

Im only 19 but my mind is old.



[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoYZf-lBF_U[/youtube]

[j4remi]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwNtdNfXUIw[/youtube]

These cats were teens when this dropped too,
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxAkiCQ2ujo[/youtube]

[IllmaticHandler]

Rugged Brooklyn Youth...


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-eVgV4PzX8[/youtube]

[j4remi]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/06/tech/pop-music-study-hip-hop-the-beatles/

Scientists are saying hip hop has influenced music more than any other genre in a long time.

Forget The Beatles and The Rolling Stones, the most important development in pop music in the past half century is hip-hop.
That's not an opinion, it's fact -- backed up by hard data, says a team of researchers from two London universities.

In a study published Wednesday in the journal Royal Society Open Science, the researchers say they threw out "musical lore and aesthetic judgment" in favor of scientific rigor.
"We had a sense that lots of people have opinions about popular music, but nobody has any objective evidence," said Armand Leroi, one of the study's authors.

[Woods Son]

Some of my favorites
Brother Ali
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ[/youtube]

The great KRS One
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_HWLslfmJI[/youtube]

Jedi Mind Tricks
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ4L-kCeQto[/youtube]