Buddy Hield

[robbie84]

The knock on Buddy is that he's 22 years old/4th year player so his 'potential' is all used up.

[No-Man]

The knock on Buddy is that he's 22 years old/4th year player so his 'potential' is all used up.

No, the knock on Buddy is that he is a one dimensional player that is likely not going to be good enough to command those many shots, he is not even that good off-the-ball and plays no defense.
He is basically a prototypical 6m type of gunner, those players have value if they translate, just not so much.

[No-Man]

I'll say it again, Bradley Beal

Bradley is a better athelte, he is not elite by any means but he is smoother and stronger, I think Beal is a more well-rounded offensive player too, as a passer and in terms of reading the game, not as a creator.
I doubt he reaches his level honestly, Beal played better defense as a frosh for Billy D, having to play the SF next to two miniature gunners than Hield did as a Senior.

His absolute ceiling is Redick, and I have my doubts that he gets there, something between Meeks and JJ, he could be a top 6m in the league one day.

[robbie84]

I'll say it again, Bradley Beal

Bradley is a better athelte, he is not elite by any means but he is smoother and stronger, I think Beal is a more well-rounded offensive player too, as a passer and in terms of reading the game, not as a creator.
I doubt he reaches his level honestly, Beal played better defense as a frosh for Billy D, having to play the SF next to two miniature gunners than Hield did as a Senior.

His absolute ceiling is Redick, and I have my doubts that he gets there, something between Meeks and JJ, he could be a top 6m in the league one day.

I'm not sure how his absolute ceiling is Redick yet he has better handles, better athleticism, better dribble drive game and better defense at age 22. Right now Buddy Hield is a better offensive player than JJ Redick and his wingspan is literally 7 inches longer than Redick's at the same height.
To say Buddy Hield is not good at moving off the ball is ridiculous! Have you ever watched him play for 5 minutes? The dude constantly relocates and moves without the ball- it's how he gets off so many of those shot with a combination of his sharp shooter release.
The guy has hall of fame Kobe Bryant/Ray Allen/Jordan work ethic, he has an insane IQ and anticipation/awareness on the floor that the true NBA scorers have. Guys like Meeks and Redick don't have that awareness and that ability to manipulate the defense on the fly like true multi dimensional offensive players can.
The beauty with Hield is that he uses his shooting to control everything on the offensive end. He constantly puts pressure on his defenders by forcing them to pick option A) of guarding too close and overplaying or B) sagging off and letting him have a Buddy Hiled lay up outside the 3 pt line.
A perfect example of this how he makes up for his average NBA athleticism and first step to the basket by attacking the basket side arm of his defender with the dribble and stopping on a dime and putting it behind his back for a lightning quick jumpshot.
You know he's going to become an excellent defender because of his IQ and his work ethic. He'll work on his D for hours and hours and do what's required. He'll be in the gym 3 hours before everyone else working on his ball handling and offensive repertoire.
After 3 season in the NBA and the amount of time he'll have put in, this kid is going to have a shot at becoming one of the best shooting guards in the NBA.

The guy is so much better than you're giving him credit for lol.
His FLOOR is Jodie Meeks and the dudes ceiling is as a top 10 NBA player- a better scoring Jimmy Butler but slightly less skilled defender.
Kobe Bryant said the same thing-that Buddy Hield is a born scorer. Bill Walton said Hield's game is built for the NBA and he'll get even more space to operate in.
You obviously hate him so nothing's going to change your mind, but don't resort to the pettiness of calling him a one dimensional role player.

[No-Man]

Right now Buddy Hield is a better offensive player than JJ Redick.

Sorry but I didnt bother to read longer, I just dont have the time to reply to every point after I got this, we are going to have to agree to disagree

[DrCoach]

I'll say it again, Bradley Beal

Bradley is a better athelte, he is not elite by any means but he is smoother and stronger, I think Beal is a more well-rounded offensive player too, as a passer and in terms of reading the game, not as a creator.
I doubt he reaches his level honestly, Beal played better defense as a frosh for Billy D, having to play the SF next to two miniature gunners than Hield did as a Senior.

His absolute ceiling is Redick, and I have my doubts that he gets there, something between Meeks and JJ, he could be a top 6m in the league one day.

BEAL has a Career PER of 14.3
Reddick has a Career PER of 14.9

Beal is getting severely overrated, he has played 4 years in the NBA now

[SeattleJazzFan]

The knock on Buddy is that he's 22 years old/4th year player so his 'potential' is all used up.

No, the knock on Buddy is that he is a one dimensional player that is likely not going to be good enough to command those many shots, he is not even that good off-the-ball and plays no defense.
He is basically a prototypical 6m type of gunner, those players have value if they translate, just not so much.

You could have said the same thing about McCollum coming out of college.

[reanimator]

This thread reminds me of when the Russell stans were convinced that he was going to come in the league averaging 20 5 and 5 because he had a higher PER than Roy, Curry and Harden in college

[No-Man]

The knock on Buddy is that he's 22 years old/4th year player so his 'potential' is all used up.

No, the knock on Buddy is that he is a one dimensional player that is likely not going to be good enough to command those many shots, he is not even that good off-the-ball and plays no defense.
He is basically a prototypical 6m type of gunner, those players have value if they translate, just not so much.

You could have said the same thing about McCollum coming out of college.

No, not really, first of McCollum proved himself against higher competition the year before he came out, in 2012, this season in comparison has been weak-ass, Hield hasnt faced any NBA-type wing and has not been asked to defend during the whole Big12 conference schedule.
But McCollum also showed craftiness with the ball, and much more developed ability as a handler and more fluidity as a 2Guard.
Still remains unproven if you are better suited with CJ as your starter or as a 6man honestly, he ahs been really good this year but they gave up a ton with him on the floor as well.

[SeattleJazzFan]

No, the knock on Buddy is that he is a one dimensional player that is likely not going to be good enough to command those many shots, he is not even that good off-the-ball and plays no defense.
He is basically a prototypical 6m type of gunner, those players have value if they translate, just not so much.

You could have said the same thing about McCollum coming out of college.

No, not really, first of McCollum proved himself against higher competition the year before he came out, in 2012, this season in comparison has been weak-ass, Hield hasnt faced any NBA-type wing and has not been asked to defend during the whole Big12 conference schedule.
But McCollum also showed craftiness with the ball, and much more developed ability as a handler and more fluidity as a 2Guard.
Still remains unproven if you are better suited with CJ as your starter or as a 6man honestly, he ahs been really good this year but they gave up a ton with him on the floor as well.

McCollum proved himself against higher competition? wait. what? at Lehigh? what am I missing here?

Also, if you notice, I italicized "you" in my comment, meaning you specifically could have said the same thing. that was intentional, because in an effort to diminish Hield you are painting an accurate picture. if you, meaning Fischella, didn't like McCollum, you could have said something similar. The reality is, Hield was excellent off the ball, he was an adequate defender, he scored in a variety of ways inside the three point line, got to the FT line at a solid rate and he averaged 6 rebs, which is good for a SG in college - you're simply wrong to call him one dimensional.

Back to my original point, if you're willing to overlook so many parts of a guy's game in order to call him one dimensional, you could definitely said the same thing about McCollum coming out of college.

[robbie84]

Right now Buddy Hield is a better offensive player than JJ Redick.

Sorry but I didnt bother to read longer, I just dont have the time to reply to every point after I got this, we are going to have to agree to disagree

Right, and selecting and choosing which points to re butt and which to avoid/address is weak sauce.

[robbie84]

JJ Redick, Fredette, McDermott can't do what Hield does in the half court. They also can't play in transition like Hield.
Some non 3 pt shooting offense from about 2 mins on.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47PlSlYs5j0[/youtube]

[HotelVitale]

JJ Redick can't do what Hield does in the half court.

That's true, but I also don't think Hield was the catch-and-shoot guy Redick was. In college, Redick was consistently (every single game) hitting more difficult shots, with greater extension, fading away, etc on a consistent basis. That's partially because he didn't have the budding jukey stepback game that Hield has, but I can also see the bigger, savvier defenders in the NBA taking away a lot of that for the NBA. In other words, Hield isn't as much of a sure thing as a catch-and-shoot killer as Redick, and more of his fate relies on how well he can adapt his floor game to the NBA.

Those that love Hield are probably assuming he can do Gilbert Arenas-like things: quick trigger, range out to 32 feet, some crossover and hesitation that sets up floaters and jumpstop/eurostep finishes. It's hard for me to predict how much of that he'll pull off consistently, but I think he can easily be a pretty good 17ppg type SG, mixing in catch-shoot, transition, and some half-court scoring. Higher volume but likely lower efficiency than Redick. (I also think his natural scoring knack gives him a chance to be much better, wouldn't fault anyone for reaching into the top 5 for him).

[robbie84]

JJ Redick can't do what Hield does in the half court.

That's true, but I also don't think Hield was the catch-and-shoot guy Redick was. In college, Redick was consistently (every single game) hitting more difficult shots, with greater extension, fading away, etc on a consistent basis. That's partially because he didn't have the budding jukey stepback game that Hield has, but I can also see the bigger, savvier defenders in the NBA taking away a lot of that for the NBA. In other words, Hield isn't as much of a sure thing as a catch-and-shoot killer as Redick, and more of his fate relies on how well he can adapt his floor game to the NBA.

Those that love Hield are probably assuming he can do Gilbert Arenas-like things: quick trigger, range out to 32 feet, some crossover and hesitation that sets up floaters and jumpstop/eurostep finishes. It's hard for me to predict how much of that he'll pull off consistently, but I think he can easily be a pretty good 17ppg type SG, mixing in catch-shoot, transition, and some half-court scoring. Higher volume but likely lower efficiency than Redick. (I also think his natural scoring knack gives him a chance to be much better, wouldn't fault anyone for reaching into the top 5 for him).

Those concerns are fair enough.
I think Reddick hit brutally tough shots in college too, but he was also overplayed because of his inability to drive 1v1 or split pick and rolls and get to the line.
I think with Hield's wingspan at 6'10 and his lightning fast release he wont have any issue getting shots off in the NBA .
Hield's jukey moves are all set up because of the defenders anxiety about not letting him get the shot off behind the 3pt line like his dribble drive >step back from 15 feet.
I think if someone like Avery Bradley can get 15ppg as a starting SG then Hield is a very capable 20 point scorer, hopefully evolving into a 25ppg machine (in a perfect world).
It's his work ethic that sets him apart from the rest for me.

[robbie84]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w_DVvCmYAQ&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

[Nebula1]

Hopefully he lands in Milwaukee to play with MAP.

[cksdayoff]

If Hield's work ethic crosses over to the NBA, there is no telling what he can do. Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight are two players who are shorter than Hield and they are both dynamic scorers in the NBA. Hield is taller than those guys, has a longer wingspan than those guys, has great range on his shot, can attack the basket in a lot of different ways. Hield's step back is so silky smooth.

[DrCoach]

If Hield's work ethic crosses over to the NBA, there is no telling what he can do. Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight are two players who are shorter than Hield and they are both dynamic scorers in the NBA. Hield is taller than those guys, has a longer wingspan than those guys, has great range on his shot, can attack the basket in a lot of different ways. Hield's step back is so silky smooth.

But they are PG's who can dribble and create their own shot

[joyeuxnoel]

what the farthest hield could drop to?

minnesota at 5?

[DRK]

If Hield's work ethic crosses over to the NBA, there is no telling what he can do. Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight are two players who are shorter than Hield and they are both dynamic scorers in the NBA. Hield is taller than those guys, has a longer wingspan than those guys, has great range on his shot, can attack the basket in a lot of different ways. Hield's step back is so silky smooth.

But they are PG's who can dribble and create their own shot

But Brandon Knight cant dribble, or shoot.