OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread

[CJackson]

Regulate business? Sounds like Socialism.

governance = regulations. are we going to dumb down everything now?

he was agreeing with you...

ok. i was tone deaf in that instance then

[Rasho Brezec]

issues of allocation of taxation and totalitarianism are not quite the same talking points tho. since you are probably part of the former soviet hegemony, if i say stalinism and maoism was more about colonialism, slavery and terror than about the collective good does that mean i dont understand the historical meaning of "communism"? I dont think so. thats what checks and balances are for.

overly centralized power surely leads to corruption in all political systems so i recognize the frustration about current affairs most people are having even when i dont agree on policy.

i wanted sanders for one reason. he is the only american candidate in a long time who made it one of his primary issues to reform campaign finance law. this attacks the root cause of corruption in our system. and nobody has had the balls to run on that issue and he did. other stuff he said was probably too much for many and i understand why but he really was the only one who proposed the one thing that would produce real change.

and he has already proven you can run for president on small citizen donations so he has made history even if he is not the one who gets elected. that is a very big deal because he has validated the ability to run for office without super pac money. this is why he is such a big threat to established interests, not because of "socialist" ideas

that to me that is about reforming one of the broken rules that make real democratic elections harder

and definitions of socialism is really not the point. how we spend our tax money is

I have no issue with Sanders, he seems like an honest guy, which makes him a unicorn in politics. I just don't like his misuse of the word socialism, because it makes the voters misuse it, too. Nothing about Sanders is socialist and it's a bit stupid of him to keep labeling himself as such.

i have not tracked his usage of the S word but the label is certainly on him

i agree it is not all that relevant to the current situation or even the near future

he does seem like one of the rare honest guys. he would have won the primary if he had adjusted a little bit. not so much more to the center but just by focusing on what people actually think could be accomplished in the first term in the white house. he lost some votes because he did not seem realistic to some

too bad because he had the most real and useful ideas mixed in with some of his bigger stretches. he needed some editing and better managers to help him run with a more refined message. he got a little sloppy and it cost him the game

this is worth reading

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism/471630/

I was the one who pasted that link pages ago exactly because of the misuse of the word socialism.

[CJackson]

I have no issue with Sanders, he seems like an honest guy, which makes him a unicorn in politics. I just don't like his misuse of the word socialism, because it makes the voters misuse it, too. Nothing about Sanders is socialist and it's a bit stupid of him to keep labeling himself as such.

i have not tracked his usage of the S word but the label is certainly on him

i agree it is not all that relevant to the current situation or even the near future

he does seem like one of the rare honest guys. he would have won the primary if he had adjusted a little bit. not so much more to the center but just by focusing on what people actually think could be accomplished in the first term in the white house. he lost some votes because he did not seem realistic to some

too bad because he had the most real and useful ideas mixed in with some of his bigger stretches. he needed some editing and better managers to help him run with a more refined message. he got a little sloppy and it cost him the game

this is worth reading

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism/471630/

I was the one who pasted that link pages ago exactly because of the misuse of the word socialism.

ha ha ok

i probably missed it because i checked out of the thread for a while because it was turning into trump spam

[Cr0w]

This thread is like Trumps rally's in a nutshell. Trump and his people are peacefully talking about how they're going to improve America for all legal citizens and instead of having a rally and celebrating your own candidates you guys come into Trump town with nothing but intentions to get nasty and disruptive.

Meanwhile if a Trumper walked into Hillary or Bernies camp and got disruptive, that person would be pushed as the criminal of century. Worse than Ted Bundy.

[Jeffrey]

I have no issue with Sanders, he seems like an honest guy, which makes him a unicorn in politics. I just don't like his misuse of the word socialism, because it makes the voters misuse it, too. Nothing about Sanders is socialist and it's a bit stupid of him to keep labeling himself as such.

i have not tracked his usage of the S word but the label is certainly on him

i agree it is not all that relevant to the current situation or even the near future

he does seem like one of the rare honest guys. he would have won the primary if he had adjusted a little bit. not so much more to the center but just by focusing on what people actually think could be accomplished in the first term in the white house. he lost some votes because he did not seem realistic to some

too bad because he had the most real and useful ideas mixed in with some of his bigger stretches. he needed some editing and better managers to help him run with a more refined message. he got a little sloppy and it cost him the game

this is worth reading

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism/471630/

I was the one who pasted that link pages ago exactly because of the misuse of the word socialism.

Americans are dumb, they are easily fooled. Thanks to media, GOP lumping communism and socialism together... now America freaks out the same rate whenever they hear socialism.

[Rasho Brezec]

i have not tracked his usage of the S word but the label is certainly on him

i agree it is not all that relevant to the current situation or even the near future

he does seem like one of the rare honest guys. he would have won the primary if he had adjusted a little bit. not so much more to the center but just by focusing on what people actually think could be accomplished in the first term in the white house. he lost some votes because he did not seem realistic to some

too bad because he had the most real and useful ideas mixed in with some of his bigger stretches. he needed some editing and better managers to help him run with a more refined message. he got a little sloppy and it cost him the game

this is worth reading

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism/471630/

I was the one who pasted that link pages ago exactly because of the misuse of the word socialism.

Americans are dumb, they are easily fooled. Thanks to media, GOP lumping communism and socialism together... now America freaks out the same rate whenever they hear socialism.

Socialism is just early stages of communism. Both are bad for the well-being of the people.

[Cr0w]

I was the one who pasted that link pages ago exactly because of the misuse of the word socialism.

Americans are dumb, they are easily fooled. Thanks to media, GOP lumping communism and socialism together... now America freaks out the same rate whenever they hear socialism.

Socialism is just early stages of communism. Both are bad for the well-being of the people.

Not to mention it goes against what America stands for at its most basic level. The more America adopts socialistic policies the less this country has a national identity rooted in its past and construction.

Like if you want to push for socialism, I have to ask if you understand the history of America and how it was founded.

[Jeffrey]

I was the one who pasted that link pages ago exactly because of the misuse of the word socialism.

Americans are dumb, they are easily fooled. Thanks to media, GOP lumping communism and socialism together... now America freaks out the same rate whenever they hear socialism.

Socialism is just early stages of communism. Both are bad for the well-being of the people.

Liberalism is the early stages of communism. Are we "bad"? Republicans are the early stages of anarchy. Is that good? There is a fine line to everything. But to make socialism such a dirty word is mind boggling. Almost every country is a hybrid of something.

[Rasho Brezec]

Americans are dumb, they are easily fooled. Thanks to media, GOP lumping communism and socialism together... now America freaks out the same rate whenever they hear socialism.

Socialism is just early stages of communism. Both are bad for the well-being of the people.

Not to mention it goes against what America stands for at its most basic level. The more America adopts socialistic policies the less this country has a national identity rooted in its past and construction.

Like if you want to push for socialism, I have to ask if you understand the history of America and how it was founded.

America has quite a few socialistic tendencies like government size and government regulation burden, as explained in the above article.

[Rasho Brezec]

Americans are dumb, they are easily fooled. Thanks to media, GOP lumping communism and socialism together... now America freaks out the same rate whenever they hear socialism.

Socialism is just early stages of communism. Both are bad for the well-being of the people.

Liberalism is the early stages of communism. Are we "bad"? Republicans are the early stages of anarchy. Is that good? There is a fine line to everything. But to make socialism such a dirty word is mind boggling. Almost every country is a hybrid of something.

You'll have to explain your connection of liberalism to communism because there is none.

Yes, socialism is bad. It should be a dirty word. State controlling means of production goes against democratic principles. It failed everywhere and it failed with human casualties, not just economic collapse.

[HarthorneWingo]

I was the one who pasted that link pages ago exactly because of the misuse of the word socialism.

Americans are dumb, they are easily fooled. Thanks to media, GOP lumping communism and socialism together... now America freaks out the same rate whenever they hear socialism.

Socialism is just early stages of communism. Both are bad for the well-being of the people.

But since Sanders in not a "socialist," nothing to be concerned about.

[Cr0w]

Socialism is just early stages of communism. Both are bad for the well-being of the people.

Liberalism is the early stages of communism. Are we "bad"? Republicans are the early stages of anarchy. Is that good? There is a fine line to everything. But to make socialism such a dirty word is mind boggling. Almost every country is a hybrid of something.

You'll have to explain your connection of liberalism to communism because there is none.

Yes, socialism is bad. It should be a dirty word. State controlling means of production goes against democratic principles. It failed everywhere and it failed with human casualties, not just economic collapse.

How could you not see the link between western liberalism and socialism? Many western liberals have begun to self identify as socialists over the last 8 year period. That doesn't happen by coincidence.

[Rasho Brezec]

Liberalism is the early stages of communism. Are we "bad"? Republicans are the early stages of anarchy. Is that good? There is a fine line to everything. But to make socialism such a dirty word is mind boggling. Almost every country is a hybrid of something.

You'll have to explain your connection of liberalism to communism because there is none.

Yes, socialism is bad. It should be a dirty word. State controlling means of production goes against democratic principles. It failed everywhere and it failed with human casualties, not just economic collapse.

How could you not see the link between western liberalism and socialism? Many western liberals have begun to self identify as socialists over the last 8 year period. That doesn't happen by coincidence.

Liberalism and socialism are two conflicting ideologies, former being based on the political philosophy of individualism, latter on collectivism. You're probably thinking of progressivism which has similar tendencies of intensive government involvement.

[aq_ua]

Socialism is just early stages of communism. Both are bad for the well-being of the people.

Liberalism is the early stages of communism. Are we "bad"? Republicans are the early stages of anarchy. Is that good? There is a fine line to everything. But to make socialism such a dirty word is mind boggling. Almost every country is a hybrid of something.

You'll have to explain your connection of liberalism to communism because there is none.

Yes, socialism is bad. It should be a dirty word. State controlling means of production goes against democratic principles. It failed everywhere and it failed with human casualties, not just economic collapse.

I'm not familiar with any successful purely capitalist states, especially in a democratic context. Please help me understand what you are driving at.

[CharlesOakley]

Leadership:

http://time.com/4351330/trump-california-no-drought/

[HarthorneWingo]

Socialism is just early stages of communism. Both are bad for the well-being of the people.

Not to mention it goes against what America stands for at its most basic level. The more America adopts socialistic policies the less this country has a national identity rooted in its past and construction.

Like if you want to push for socialism, I have to ask if you understand the history of America and how it was founded.

America has quite a few socialistic tendencies like government size and government regulation burden, as explained in the above article.

Just so I have a complete picture of where you're coming from, then where do you see America located on this continuum?

[robillionaire]

This thread is like Trumps rally's in a nutshell. Trump and his people are peacefully talking about how they're going to improve America for all legal citizens and instead of having a rally and celebrating your own candidates you guys come into Trump town with nothing but intentions to get nasty and disruptive.

Meanwhile if a Trumper walked into Hillary or Bernies camp and got disruptive, that person would be pushed as the criminal of century. Worse than Ted Bundy.

what's the matter, baby need a safe space?

[Johnny Hoops]

This thread is like Trumps rally's in a nutshell. Trump and his people are peacefully talking about how they're going to improve America for all legal citizens and instead of having a rally and celebrating your own candidates you guys come into Trump town with nothing but intentions to get nasty and disruptive.

Meanwhile if a Trumper walked into Hillary or Bernies camp and got disruptive, that person would be pushed as the criminal of century. Worse than Ted Bundy.

what's the matter, baby need a safe space?

LOLat guys clinging to Hillary's dusty old va-j-j --- they never expected any race at all and now they are so scared **** they just spew mindless bull. Hillary can't even take out a socialist -- she missed the boat when Obama kicked her ass last time around.

The fear from Dems is so **** palpable they are so desperate it's laughable and meanwhile on the Trump side folks laugh/enjoy the moment.

[HarthorneWingo]

This thread is like Trumps rally's in a nutshell. Trump and his people are peacefully talking about how they're going to improve America for all legal citizens and instead of having a rally and celebrating your own candidates you guys come into Trump town with nothing but intentions to get nasty and disruptive.

Meanwhile if a Trumper walked into Hillary or Bernies camp and got disruptive, that person would be pushed as the criminal of century. Worse than Ted Bundy.

what's the matter, baby need a safe space?

LOLat guys clinging to Hillary's dusty old va-j-j --- they never expected any race at all and now they are so scared **** they just spew mindless bull. Hillary can't even take out a socialist -- she missed the boat when Obama kicked her ass last time around.

The fear from Dems is so **** palpable they are so desperate it's laughable and meanwhile on the Trump side folks laugh/enjoy the moment.

Dude, the fear of a Trump presidency comes not only from Dems but also from your fellow republicans AND world leaders around the globe. And for very good reason ... he's whacked.

By the way, you should be too.

[knicksrbake]

what's the matter, baby need a safe space?

LOLat guys clinging to Hillary's dusty old va-j-j --- they never expected any race at all and now they are so scared **** they just spew mindless bull. Hillary can't even take out a socialist -- she missed the boat when Obama kicked her ass last time around.

The fear from Dems is so **** palpable they are so desperate it's laughable and meanwhile on the Trump side folks laugh/enjoy the moment.

Dude, the fear of a Trump presidency comes not only from Dems but also from your fellow republicans AND world leaders around the globe. And for very good reason ... he's whacked.

By the way, you should be too.

I'd rather have Trump in office than Hillary. I don't know how people can actually sit there, with full knowledge of her war crimes and seeing how the only thing she's consistent with is lying, and still support her. It's actually mind-boggling.