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Re: OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread 

Post#1381 » by knicksrbake » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:37 am

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knicksrbake wrote:For the person bringing up Trump University (lol, as if this is even close to Hillary's email scandal), here you go:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GHBBUrWpf4[/youtube]

http://www.98percentapproval.com/


If you believe that a few happy customers negate a class-action suit then we can stop right there.

The idea was to get "buyers" in the door for a 90-minute seminar, where Trump U. sales associates used high-pressure tactics to try and get prospects to shell out as much as they could — $1,500 for a three-day event, then anywhere from $10,000 to $35,000 for bronze, silver and gold packages


Sworn testimony from a former Trump U. manager said he believed it was a "fraudulent scheme" that "preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money."


Honestly, you can like Trump and not support everything he does. This is a pretty clear case of being a predator. Also going after the ethnic background of the judge is in poor taste.

I mean, the judge clearly has a bias against Trump. The case will likely get thrown out due to a mistrial (the judge released evidence that he wasn't supposed to). Also, "a few happy customers," lol... I linked the website underneath because it has a 98% approval rating. The people who aren't for it (most likely didn't get it or didn't put in the necessary effort) are always going to be more vocal.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread 

Post#1382 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jun 2, 2016 4:51 am

knicksrbake wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:
knicksrbake wrote:For the person bringing up Trump University (lol, as if this is even close to Hillary's email scandal), here you go:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GHBBUrWpf4[/youtube]

http://www.98percentapproval.com/


If you believe that a few happy customers negate a class-action suit then we can stop right there.

The idea was to get "buyers" in the door for a 90-minute seminar, where Trump U. sales associates used high-pressure tactics to try and get prospects to shell out as much as they could — $1,500 for a three-day event, then anywhere from $10,000 to $35,000 for bronze, silver and gold packages


Sworn testimony from a former Trump U. manager said he believed it was a "fraudulent scheme" that "preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money."


Honestly, you can like Trump and not support everything he does. This is a pretty clear case of being a predator. Also going after the ethnic background of the judge is in poor taste.

I mean, the judge clearly has a bias against Trump. The case will likely get thrown out due to a mistrial (the judge released evidence that he wasn't supposed to). Also, "a few happy customers," lol... I linked the website underneath because it has a 98% approval rating. The people who aren't for it (most likely didn't get it or didn't put in the necessary effort) are always going to be more vocal.


Dude .... :roll:
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread 

Post#1383 » by knicksrbake » Thu Jun 2, 2016 5:53 am

Hey, guy who brought up Trump's denial of global warming. What do you think of Hillary's denying of the Armenian genocide?

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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1384 » by mugzi » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:34 pm

Cr0w wrote:lol conspiracy theories.

First you mention he won't be powerful enough to change anything meaningful because the government is bigger than one person then you close by saying you fear a Trump presidency because he will cause massive damage. Which is it?

Talk about flip flopping....

If Trump isn't able to change things it will be because the establishment parties in congress are jamming him up and the next move will be to vote those clowns out as well.

The power players don't want Trump to win. It's been an all out attack by big pockets since the very beginning. Look at people like Jeff Bezos who owns Amazon.com He's been having his news company WashingtonPost slam Trump all day every day.


Theories? History is replete with them because much of what was "theory" at the time was eventually validated with primary sources. I know this because I spent years earning a Bachelors in History from UCLA, when I should've just went and got an MBA.

But back on topic, I never said Trump would cause massive damage. If you actually want to parse through the subtext of what I wrote I said he won't have the ability or power to do so. But I also said if he wins, lets look at some immediate and short term possibilities....

Riots in the streets- I can see that

Economic embargoes- yes....but protectionism never works and won't in a global economy.

War- pick an enemy...Can happen under any regime.

What really needs to happen, is a real Corporate tax holiday IF that money saved is used for multinational corps to invest in factories and jobs HERE, not in Asia, not latin America, not Antartica {hyperbole} but HERE.

If people want "Change to believe in" Or to "Make America great again"

Get the fck off your phones and social media and coalesce and speak with your voices and wallets.

If there was a repatriation holiday at a 10% tax rate instead of35% companies could potently invest over a 100 billion dollars in manufacturing here. We were at our best when the middle class thrived with good jobs that had benefits and one parent could stay at home. Now you have both parents working shyt jobs for shyt pay barely getting by.

I thought Obama was going to FUBAR the country and he did a pretty good job, but he couldn't accomplish everything he wanted to in 8 years.

The loss of freedom, economic prosperity, upward mobility that takes time. It has to be incremental otherwise the unwashed masses might actually notice and try to do something.

Honestly buddy and I say this with all due respect, walk away. You're fighting a battle you won't win, this board is filled with liberals, the mods have their back and you'll eventually say something deemed 'ban worthy.'

Any veteran of this board will tell you, I used to waste countless hours discussing then arguing with them and usually I'd be attacked by 3 to 5 people at a time and I still gave them fits.

That was back when I had too much money and time on my hands.

Like I said, I've never voted, never will, was raised conservative and still lean that way but I just don't give a shht about any of this anymore. It's like watching WWE, it's all a show and we're the ones paying for it.

At the end of the day, if it's life or death and I have to choose, I'm always going to vote for who keeps their hands off my wallet the most. End of discussion.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread 

Post#1385 » by CharlesOakley » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:53 pm

“I have never received such bad publicity for doing such a good job,” Trump said. He added, “The press should be ashamed of themselves.”


This is what Trump said after basically being caught in a lie. For months, he claimed he raised and paid out nearly 6 million for vets. Turns out he mailed the checks last week only after reporters caught him lying. Does Trump apologize? No, he attacks the media for unfair treatment and his followers eat it up.

analysis of legal filings across the United States finds that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades. They range from skirmishes with casino patrons to million-dollar real estate suits to personal defamation lawsuits.


1,300 of these cases he was a defendant. Say what you want, believe what you want, but being involved in over 100 legal cases a year is insane. What does Trump do when someone says or does something that hurts his feelings? He sues. He also uses social media to incite his followers and uses them to harass whomever he feels like.

As for the judge in the Trump University case, Trump called the judge a Mexican. The judge was born in Indiana. His heritage is not relevant and again the comment was used to insight his ignorant followers.

Experts and speakers were supposed to have been "hand picked" by Trump and "one of Donald Trump's top instructors."

But he admitted in a December deposition — in the heat of the GOP primary and before the first votes were cast in Iowa — reported by the Washington Post, that he had not hand-picked them — or even knew them, really. Some of the names sounded "familiar, but it's too many years," he said.


Sales associates were instructed to overcome objections, or "excuses," even if "buyers" were unsure and wanted to talk to their spouses or didn't want to take on more debt


As for the "glowing reviews":

Robert Guillo gave a glowing evaluation to his instructor at Trump University because, he said, the teacher pleaded for the best possible score, warning that without it, “Mr. Trump might not invite me back to teach again.”

Jeffrey Tufenkian offered excellent ratings because his Trump University-assigned mentor refused to leave the room until he did so, standing “right in front of me” as he filled out the evaluation form, he said.

John Brown tried to give his Trump University teacher a poor review — but said he was talked out of it by employees of the program, who called him three times, hounding him to raise his original scores.

“Tired of the continuing phone calls,” he later testified, “I finally gave in.” His dismal marks changed to top scores, Mr. Brown said.


Don't stop believing Trumpiteers. He is an honest guy just doing his best. No red flags at all.

Also, maybe Trump isn't even a billionaire. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-cuban-questions-whether-donald-trump-is-a-billionaire/
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1386 » by Rasho Brezec » Thu Jun 2, 2016 6:32 pm

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LOL, this video is a sales tool for the alarm company. Ingrid's "investigation" involved questioning the sales people there. :lol:

So you're going to tell me there aren't a load of rapes being caused by the rapefugees in Germany and Sweden? Please read up on the sexual assaults in Cologne, Germany, and at the Schlossgrabenfest music festival.



I'm not saying there are not rapes occurring there or anywhere else. People rape. They rape women here in America and everywhere else. Germans rape their own women too. Fact is that we're talking about a very small sliver of the refugees who are doing it. But this is all out of the same playbook which is used to disparage and demonize immigrants here in the U.S.

What horrible excuse. The ratio of immigrants commiting criminal acts is significantly larger than the ratio of citizens commiting criminal acts. The ratio of immigrants commiting sexual assaults is even larger.

Your post is sickening and insulting to all the rape victims and the women who were told by the police to best stay inside at night for their own safety because of these savages who can't control themselves.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread 

Post#1387 » by Rasho Brezec » Thu Jun 2, 2016 6:35 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:I'll tell you what... I like many of his policies, but at this point I'd vote for Trump if only because of how much I despise the entire SJW, "feminist", PC, hippie, soft, whiny, america-hating, white-hating, man-hating, "rape" culture that has polluted this country in recent years. Trump is the epitome of evil to them, and anything to piss them off further is cool with me :lol:. The blowback to their ilk has begun, and it's scaring the dye out of their hair. So bring on The Donald :usa: :wordyo:.

These self-proclaimed progressives who are open and tolerant of everyone are the most hateful, arrogant and judgmental bunch of people in the world.
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Post#1388 » by EricAnderson » Thu Jun 2, 2016 6:35 pm

When a republican confronts a liberal

https://twitter.com/realdrolmo/status/737332998723403776
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Post#1389 » by j4remi » Thu Jun 2, 2016 6:46 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:What horrible excuse. The ratio of immigrants commiting criminal acts is significantly larger than the ratio of citizens commiting criminal acts. The ratio of immigrants commiting sexual assaults is even larger.

Your post is sickening and insulting to all the rape victims and the women who were told by the police to best stay inside at night for their own safety because of these savages who can't control themselves.


Joining the convo late, but I assume you mean in Europe? The statistics in America are that Immigrants commit crime at a drastically lower ratio than those born here.
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Post#1390 » by Rasho Brezec » Thu Jun 2, 2016 6:51 pm

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Rasho Brezec wrote:What horrible excuse. The ratio of immigrants commiting criminal acts is significantly larger than the ratio of citizens commiting criminal acts. The ratio of immigrants commiting sexual assaults is even larger.

Your post is sickening and insulting to all the rape victims and the women who were told by the police to best stay inside at night for their own safety because of these savages who can't control themselves.


Joining the convo late, but I assume you mean in Europe? The statistics in America are that Immigrants commit crime at a drastically lower ratio than those born here.

Well, yeah, that's what the original argument was relating to. Trivializing it by saying "people rape" is disgusting when it was so easily avoided by not letting them in in the first place.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1391 » by j4remi » Thu Jun 2, 2016 6:59 pm

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j4remi wrote:Joining the convo late, but I assume you mean in Europe? The statistics in America are that Immigrants commit crime at a drastically lower ratio than those born here.

Well, yeah, that's what the original argument was relating to. Trivializing it by saying "people rape" is disgusting when it was so easily avoided by not letting them in in the first place.


Yeah, not defending a generalization like that at all. Was just curious about the stats for Europe since I've followed the Immigration stats for America but never researched other regions (too much damned data and too many biased sources to wade through even just for American numbers). Now I'm really curious about what causes such a drastic difference in the crime stats, bout to geek out and see what I can find later.
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Post#1392 » by Rasho Brezec » Thu Jun 2, 2016 7:07 pm

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j4remi wrote:Joining the convo late, but I assume you mean in Europe? The statistics in America are that Immigrants commit crime at a drastically lower ratio than those born here.

Well, yeah, that's what the original argument was relating to. Trivializing it by saying "people rape" is disgusting when it was so easily avoided by not letting them in in the first place.


Yeah, not defending a generalization like that at all. Was just curious about the stats for Europe since I've followed the Immigration stats for America but never researched other regions (too much damned data and too many biased sources to wade through even just for American numbers). Now I'm really curious about what causes such a drastic difference in the crime stats, bout to geek out and see what I can find later.

Different ethnic and religious background of immigrants, different expectations due to political-economic system (welfare state vs. figure it out for yourself), etc.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1393 » by j4remi » Thu Jun 2, 2016 7:31 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
j4remi wrote:Yeah, not defending a generalization like that at all. Was just curious about the stats for Europe since I've followed the Immigration stats for America but never researched other regions (too much damned data and too many biased sources to wade through even just for American numbers). Now I'm really curious about what causes such a drastic difference in the crime stats, bout to geek out and see what I can find later.

Different ethnic and religious background of immigrants, different expectations due to political-economic system (welfare state vs. figure it out for yourself), etc.


Yeah those are all variables that are guaranteed to play roles in it; figuring out which play the biggest roles and why is the fun of it.
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Post#1394 » by CharlesOakley » Thu Jun 2, 2016 9:15 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:These self-proclaimed progressives who are open and tolerant of everyone are the most hateful, arrogant and judgmental bunch of people in the world.


If a progressive is open and tolerant I can't see how they are simultaneously hateful and judgemental. I have no idea where you fall on the whole Trump v. Hillary spectrum and frankly I don't care. You seem intelligent enough to make your own conclusions based on facts which put you lightyears ahead of the average Trump supporter. I have no problems with traditional conservatives in this country. I have a problem with people who hold illogical positions regardless of facts and who regard intelligence and rational thought as snobbishness.

We have the Ted Cruise crowd who see no hypocrisy in trying to legislate their religion on others while simultaneously trying to suppress the religious freedoms of others. We have the Trump crowd who believe in some idealized version of America that never existed. "The good old days" never existed. Somehow being pro-equality is anti-white male. Somehow believing women and minorities should have the same rights as everyone is anti-American.
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Post#1395 » by EricAnderson » Thu Jun 2, 2016 10:03 pm

Anyone see this doozy of Muslims taking about how to "properly beat your wife" that came out a few weeks ago?

https://youtu.be/C9bRjK464Uw

The left was in a panic when it got released..they claim to be for women's rights and for the proper treatment of women except when it comes to Islam

The left will make fun of Christianity and Catholicism till the cows come home but for some reason Islam is off limits and you're islamaphobic if you say anything about Muslims
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Post#1396 » by knicksrbake » Thu Jun 2, 2016 10:15 pm

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Rasho Brezec wrote:Somehow being pro-equality is anti-white male. Somehow believing women and minorities should have the same rights as everyone is anti-American.

What rights do white men have that women and minorities don't? I'll give you a hint: none. Women and minorities have the same rights as everyone else.

As for being pro-equality, just lol. What movements are pro-equality? Third wave feminism is a joke, as is the whole Black Lives Matter movement.
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Post#1397 » by CharlesOakley » Thu Jun 2, 2016 10:33 pm

EricAnderson wrote:Anyone see this doozy of Muslims taking about how to "properly beat your wife" that came out a few weeks ago?

https://youtu.be/C9bRjK464Uw

The left was in a panic when it got released..they claim to be for women's rights and for the proper treatment of women except when it comes to Islam

The left will make fun of Christianity and Catholicism till the cows come home but for some reason Islam is off limits and you're islamaphobic if you say anything about Muslims


Just as there are many versions of Christianity, some completely sane and some completely insane, there are many versions of Islam. Should I go attacking Christianity with the videos from the Westboro Baptist Church? There are millions of Christian liberals in this country. Just because some talking head told you otherwise doesn't make it so. It has been my observation that many conservative Christians don't understand the basic tenant of their religion, namely, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

Many conservatives (rightfully so) don't want their religious freedoms trampled on, but are more than happy to trample of the freedoms of others. We should tolerate the practice of any religion that doesn't break American laws. Do you honestly believe that liberals are pro women's rights but are fine with wives being beaten? This honestly isn't a liberal vs. conservative issue. Any sensible person is against domestic violence in any form. Feel free to post some evidence to any of your outlandish claims.
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Post#1398 » by EricAnderson » Thu Jun 2, 2016 10:58 pm

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EricAnderson wrote:Anyone see this doozy of Muslims taking about how to "properly beat your wife" that came out a few weeks ago?

https://youtu.be/C9bRjK464Uw

The left was in a panic when it got released..they claim to be for women's rights and for the proper treatment of women except when it comes to Islam

The left will make fun of Christianity and Catholicism till the cows come home but for some reason Islam is off limits and you're islamaphobic if you say anything about Muslims


Just as there are many versions of Christianity, some completely sane and some completely insane, there are many versions of Islam. Should I go attacking Christianity with the videos from the Westboro Baptist Church? There are millions of Christian liberals in this country. Just because some talking head told you otherwise doesn't make it so. It has been my observation that many conservative Christians don't understand the basic tenant of their religion, namely, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

Many conservatives (rightfully so) don't want their religious freedoms trampled on, but are more than happy to trample of the freedoms of others. We should tolerate the practice of any religion that doesn't break American laws. Do you honestly believe that liberals are pro women's rights but are fine with wives being beaten? This honestly isn't a liberal vs. conservative issue. Any sensible person is against domestic violence in any form. Feel free to post some evidence to any of your outlandish claims.


You're gonna compare some nut jobs at westboro holding picket signs to beating your wife and using scripture to condone it?

Christianity did have these issues too..about 500 years ago and like most of the world they evolved.. Fundamental Islam not so much
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Post#1399 » by CharlesOakley » Fri Jun 3, 2016 12:48 am

I see no difference between fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist Islam. They are both completely whack. You seem to be under the impression that there is only fundamentalist Islam. Islam, like any religion, tends to reflect the extremism of the society that contains it. In Myanmar Buddhist monks are slaughtering Muslims with machetes, including women and babies. Is Buddhism teaching this? Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, and Senegal are all strong Muslim countries that have elected women Presidents. We have yet to do so in the United States. Just like any religion there is a spectrum of ideologies within Islam. Some should be condemned and some should be commended.
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Post#1400 » by CharlesOakley » Fri Jun 3, 2016 1:06 am

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Rasho Brezec wrote:What rights do white men have that women and minorities don't? I'll give you a hint: none. Women and minorities have the same rights as everyone else.

As for being pro-equality, just lol. What movements are pro-equality? Third wave feminism is a joke, as is the whole Black Lives Matter movement.


While the laws in this country are written to apply equally to all, in practice this is not the case. There are pay gaps between the genders, which increase when race is factored in. Women do not have equal representation in politics (around 20%) or in board rooms (12.5%). Work that is considered "feminine" is lower pay (think teaching and nursing). Women who are married get paid less on average than their single counterparts. I could go on and on...

As for minorities, the story may be worse. Minorities are given harsher prison sentences and are paroled less frequently than their white counterparts (for the same crimes). Their rights are violated by law enforcement and the justice system more frequently than whites. They are subject to unjust laws (think stop and frisk), they have even less government representation. Again, I could go on and on...

The law may be color and gender blind but law enforcement is not. Enjoy life under your rock.

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