The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2)

[Basileus777]

Also this is the 2nd game Kyrie has outplayed him in

Kyrie didn't outplay anyone, he was garbage and was getting destroyed on defense for most of his minutes.

[therealbig3]

Its time to stop blaming his offensive playoff woes on injuries. Its like ive always said on here he simply is not a dynamic enough ball handler, playmaker and decision maker off the pickandroll. His ability to let his team play 4 on 3 alot is valuable but traditional aspects that historically dominant Pgs brought on offense isnt there with Steph and that seems to hurt his game in the playoffs def his consistency

Struggles against 13 Spurs, 14 Clips, hurt 15 Grizz/Cavs team, 16 Okc. Hes clearly one of the alltime great offensive forces but simply isnt the offensive Goat ppl were hoping for. Hes already had more shaky and inconsistent offensive series than Mj had in his career. Also this is the 2nd game Kyrie has outplayed him in

I would say he played well in pretty much every one of those series, and that overall numbers tend to get skewed a lot more in small sample sizes. So a bad game or two will make the series look worse than it really was.

13 Spurs, he got hurt in the middle of that series, he was DESTROYING them up until that point.

14 Clippers...I thought he played a great series.

15 Cavs, he pretty much destroyed them except for one REALLY bad game (game 2).

16 Thunder...again, I thought he played a great series with only one really bad game (game 4), and 3 fantastic games to close out that series.

Kyrie outplaying him isn't true either...he was chucking like crazy and played awful defense.

[therealbig3]

Nobody can see the season that Curry had and say ANYBODY was much better than he was. Even in the playoffs, when he's played, he's generally been great. A few bad games, and people go nuts. And then ignore the great games he had.

its not aboud having a good game or a bad game man


im pretty sure steph will drop 30 plus in the next game


you're missing the point

anyways forget it

but man, this golden state team is fun to watch!

The ONLY reason you're here talking about this is because he had a bad game. It clearly is about good games or bad games to you.

[GSP]

Struggles against 13 Spurs, 14 Clips, hurt 15 Grizz/Cavs team, 16 Okc. Hes clearly one of the alltime great offensive forces but simply isnt the offensive Goat ppl were hoping for. Hes already had more shaky and inconsistent offensive series than Mj had in his career. Also this is the 2nd game Kyrie has outplayed him in

13 Spurs - Ankle issues, 2nd ever playoff series, Spurs gameplanned exclusively for him.
14 Clips - Terrible matchup for the Warriors, Lee sucked against length and Curry had not developed a consistent way of avoiding traps. Don't forget Jackson ball.
15 Grizz/Cavs - Struggled 1/2 games each series, otherwise fine. 26/5/6 in the Finals when drawing a 4 on 3 every play is GOAT like impact if you ask me, but agree to disagree here.
16 OKC - games 5 to 7 were great, if not dominant games. Wasn't great from 1-4 at all, but down the stretch he was back to business.

and lol at Kyrie outplaying him. Curry could have went 0/20 and outplayed him because of his gravity and unselfishness.

Its the inconsistency im alarmed about. His Goat level shooting produces some great games but he has some Woat level games sprinkled in there too (game 2 memphis, game 2 cavs, game 5 spurs, game 3/4 Okc)

[ppedro123]

he destroyed the cavs in 15'?

come on man, he had one huge game.

one terrible game and the rest were mediocre/above average (for a superstar) games at best. GSW was too stacked for cleveland and the cavs had no bodies on the bench.



Curry's a fantastic player, one of the best scorers i've seen but calm down...he didnt even break a sweat and his team dominated the cavs

[Peregrine01]

Its time to stop blaming his offensive playoff woes on injuries. Its like ive always said on here he simply is not a dynamic enough ball handler, playmaker and decision maker off the pickandroll. His ability to let his team play 4 on 3 alot is valuable but traditional aspects that historically dominant Pgs brought on offense isnt there with Steph and that seems to hurt his game in the playoffs def his consistency

Struggles against 13 Spurs, 14 Clips, hurt 15 Grizz/Cavs team, 16 Okc. Hes clearly one of the alltime great offensive forces but simply isnt the offensive Goat ppl were hoping for. Hes already had more shaky and inconsistent offensive series than Mj had in his career. Also this is the 2nd game Kyrie has outplayed him in

Hahahaha. GSW repeatedly got lay ups and open 3s because they were over-helping on Curry. It's laughable to think that Kyrie outplayed him just cause he scored more points.

[Doctor MJ]

I notice that when a team is really a great team, the stars seem less necessary and the dime-a-dozen guys look special. This causes the former to get underrated and the latter to get overrated.

In the broadcast when they were crediting Myer for the amazing job he did acquiring...Leandro Barbosa, I groaned. A cycle is always running:

Guy does unexpectedly well in healthy context
Guy gets paid more to leave context to go elsewhere
Guy ceases to perform so well in the new context

[DreDay]

Struggles against 13 Spurs, 14 Clips, hurt 15 Grizz/Cavs team, 16 Okc. Hes clearly one of the alltime great offensive forces but simply isnt the offensive Goat ppl were hoping for. Hes already had more shaky and inconsistent offensive series than Mj had in his career. Also this is the 2nd game Kyrie has outplayed him in

13 Spurs - Ankle issues, 2nd ever playoff series, Spurs gameplanned exclusively for him.
14 Clips - Terrible matchup for the Warriors, Lee sucked against length and Curry had not developed a consistent way of avoiding traps. Don't forget Jackson ball.
15 Grizz/Cavs - Struggled 1/2 games each series, otherwise fine. 26/5/6 in the Finals when drawing a 4 on 3 every play is GOAT like impact if you ask me, but agree to disagree here.
16 OKC - games 5 to 7 were great, if not dominant games. Wasn't great from 1-4 at all, but down the stretch he was back to business.

and lol at Kyrie outplaying him. Curry could have went 0/20 and outplayed him because of his gravity and unselfishness.

Its the inconsistency im alarmed about. His Goat level shooting produces some great games but he has some Woat level games sprinkled in there too (game 2 memphis, game 2 cavs, game 5 spurs, game 3/4 Okc)

He has his inconsistent games yes, but the playoffs are a 7 game series. Curry might not be on every game, but chances are he'll give you an amazing game 4-6 times every series in terms of box score numbers. Combine that with his GOAT like gravity and yes, that's more than enough to win any series in my book. It hasn't hurt the Warriors either; Warriors have won every series they've been favoured in so far, and each time they've been an underdog they've performed better than expectations (13 Nuggets/Spurs, 14 Clippers).

[Peregrine01]

Also this is the 2nd game Kyrie has outplayed him in

Kyrie didn't outplay anyone, he was garbage and was getting destroyed on defense for most of his minutes.

Kyrie's d was utterly horrid. Repeatedly getting beat or lost on off ball cuts.

Though he led the team in scoring, I thought he was detrimental to the Cavs offense by going iso ball again and again.

[Clyde Frazier]

The twisting of narratives here after 1 game is just hilarious. I don't even know what to say. You'd think game 7 a few days ago never even happened.

[te887848]

The casual eye doesn't understand the monstrous impact Curry had on today's game in the form of garnering attention that very few, if any, players have ever seen. Cleveland's fear of Curry's 3 resulted in them making it their life's mission to switch on every screen involving getting Curry open and running him out to the 3-point line, freeing up space for every other Warriors player. The Cavs' unconscious switching on every Curry screen (which I don't even believe is a bad idea anyway, as it's better than giving Curry a decent look at a 3) leads to huge size mismatches where taller Warriors players are matched up with smaller Cavs players. Non box score impact at its finest on display.

[Rerisen]

The casual eye doesn't understand the monstrous impact Curry had on today's game in the form of garnering attention that very few, if any, players have ever seen. Cleveland's fear of Curry's 3 resulted in them making it their life's mission to switch on every screen involving getting Curry open and running him out to the 3-point line, freeing up space for every other Warriors player. The Cavs' unconscious switching on every Curry screen (which I don't even believe is a bad idea anyway, as it's better than giving Curry a decent look at a 3) leads to huge size mismatches where taller Warriors players are matched up with smaller Cavs players. Non box score impact at its finest on display.

In general of course those points are all true, but Curry was -1 on floor tonight. So obviously his team didn't need his gravity, going +16 with him on the bench.

[te887848]

You can replace Curry with Lowry and I think they still beat the Cavs if his supporting casts play up to their talent.

Thanks for the laugh.

The Warriors would get slaughtered by the Thunder with Lowry in place of Curry and wouldn't even be in a position to beat the Cavs as they'd never make the Finals.

Warriors are a great team, maybe the greatest ever... and they have awesome depth and all-around balance surrounding Curry, but they clearly don't sniff a single title or even Finals appearance with anyone replacing Curry.

[JulesWinnfield]

If Steph Curry didn't return in game 4 against Portland and go absolutely nuts late in that game the Warriors find themselves in a 2-2 death fight against a mediocre Blazer team which was only in round 2 because of injury. Of course Curry has a great cast, you don't win 73 games without one. But his great cast is a round 2 ouster without him in this conference if all teams are healthy. With him they are GOAT level. There's no denying his crazy impact. Aberrations like tonight happen, it's not at all indicative of a common night at Oracle. Nobody is carrying Steph curry anywhere

I do think he needs to grab this finals mvp though or it's a bad look after not getting it last year (I thought he should have won it last year)

[Alphabet]

16 Thunder...again, I thought he played a great series with only one really bad game (game 4), and 3 fantastic games to close out that series.

Kyrie outplaying him isn't true either...he was chucking like crazy and played awful defense.

Personally speaking I don't think he played that well in Games 5 and 6; I think his box score numbers aren't a good indication of that just at his poor box score numbers don't say anything about how his presence opened the game up for his teammates to score as the Cavs were relentlessly trying to double him. Like Doc MJ says, this overrates the bench players (though I will say the Warriors supporting cast is great in terms of Iggy, Draymond, Klay, and Livingston, but clearly not Barbosa) and gets them overpaid in the summer. Case in point: Baynes and Joseph all got huge contracts leaving the Spurs that I thought they did not deserve.

Still, he COULD have shot better today, not that the results really matter. Only if he really cares about winning that Finals MVP award. Kyrie did not outplay Curry today, Livingston outplayed Kyrie.

[ppedro123]

The casual eye doesn't understand the monstrous impact Curry had on today's game in the form of garnering attention that very few, if any, players have ever seen. Cleveland's fear of Curry's 3 resulted in them making it their life's mission to switch on every screen involving getting Curry open and running him out to the 3-point line, freeing up space for every other Warriors player. The Cavs' unconscious switching on every Curry screen (which I don't even believe is a bad idea anyway, as it's better than giving Curry a decent look at a 3) leads to huge size mismatches where taller Warriors players are matched up with smaller Cavs players. Non box score impact at its finest on display.

you have got to be kidding me


Curry's always going to have an impact because of his shooting (Klay too)



but the Warriors went on a 16-1 run, with Livingston going Jordan and Steph/Klay drinking vodka on the freaking bench.


Golden State's team work and unselfishness is the best i've seen. A truly dominant team.

[therealbig3]

The casual eye doesn't understand the monstrous impact Curry had on today's game in the form of garnering attention that very few, if any, players have ever seen. Cleveland's fear of Curry's 3 resulted in them making it their life's mission to switch on every screen involving getting Curry open and running him out to the 3-point line, freeing up space for every other Warriors player. The Cavs' unconscious switching on every Curry screen (which I don't even believe is a bad idea anyway, as it's better than giving Curry a decent look at a 3) leads to huge size mismatches where taller Warriors players are matched up with smaller Cavs players. Non box score impact at its finest on display.

In general of course those points are all true, but Curry was -1 on floor tonight. So obviously his team didn't need his gravity, going +16 with him on the bench.

Well, that was more on the Cavs playing awful defense. They were having trouble with Barbosa and Livingston.

[therealbig3]

16 Thunder...again, I thought he played a great series with only one really bad game (game 4), and 3 fantastic games to close out that series.

Kyrie outplaying him isn't true either...he was chucking like crazy and played awful defense.

Personally speaking I don't think he played that well in Games 5 and 6; I think his box score numbers aren't a good indication of that just at his poor box score numbers don't say anything about how his presence opened the game up for his teammates to score as the Cavs were relentlessly trying to double him. Like Doc MJ says, this overrates the bench players (though I will say the Warriors supporting cast is great in terms of Iggy, Draymond, Klay, and Livingston, but clearly not Barbosa) and gets them overpaid in the summer. Case in point: Baynes and Joseph all got huge contracts leaving the Spurs that I thought they did not deserve.

Still, he COULD have shot better today, not that the results really matter. Only if he really cares about winning that Finals MVP award. Kyrie did not outplay Curry today, Livingston outplayed Kyrie.

What was wrong with games 5 and 6?

[Krodis]

There's no way Kyrie outplayed Curry last night. I outplayed Kyrie last night, by virtue of doing literally nothing.

[bigboi]

Jeez, you guys are ridiculous with some of the things you're saying.

Meh, whatever. I DON'T have him as the GOAT peak either, but Jordan and LeBron carried teams to titles, while Curry is getting carried to a title? LeBron and Jordan imposed their will on games and Curry doesn't? Curry didn't shoot well in game 6 and wasn't one of the biggest reasons they won?

We get it, you guys don't think Curry is in the conversation of GOAT peak...you don't have to come here and incessantly whine about it every time he has an off game. And it would hold a lot more weight if you guys did it after he played well, instead of only after he plays poorly. Again, NOBODY was here saying anything during those last 3 games against OKC. And I guarantee that nobody would be here saying anything if he happened to shoot well today.

Did Curry shoot well game 6, yes or no?