Kris Dunn

[SelfishPlayer]

There are too many Westbrook and Wade comparisons for such an older player that didn't dominate college basketball. I see a stronger possibility of him having a Keyon Dooling or Smush Parker career.

Westbrook's final season at UCLA: 12.7 ppg., 4.3 apg., 3.9 rpg., 1.6 spg.
Wade's final season at Marquette: 21.5 ppg., 4.4 apg., 6.6 rpg., 2.2 spg.

Dunn's junior year at Providence: 15.6 ppg., 7.5 apg., 5.5 rpg., 2.7 spg.
Dunn's final season at Providence: 16.4 ppg., 6.2 apg., 5.3 rpg., 2.5 spg.

Dunn's numbers the last 2 years compare pretty favorably to Wade's and are much better than Westbrook's best season. Please try again.

Westbrook was 20 years old when he was drafted. Dunn is 22 with a college degree... Why don't you try comparing their stats at the same age? What was Westbrook doing at 22 years of age against NBA competition?
Smush Parker's stats, well I'll just provide his steals since secretly that's what Dunn's fans are infatuated with besides his body type... 2.3 spg...

[Cammo101]

There are too many Westbrook and Wade comparisons for such an older player that didn't dominate college basketball. I see a stronger possibility of him having a Keyon Dooling or Smush Parker career.

Westbrook's final season at UCLA: 12.7 ppg., 4.3 apg., 3.9 rpg., 1.6 spg.
Wade's final season at Marquette: 21.5 ppg., 4.4 apg., 6.6 rpg., 2.2 spg.

Dunn's junior year at Providence: 15.6 ppg., 7.5 apg., 5.5 rpg., 2.7 spg.
Dunn's final season at Providence: 16.4 ppg., 6.2 apg., 5.3 rpg., 2.5 spg.

Dunn's numbers the last 2 years compare pretty favorably to Wade's and are much better than Westbrook's best season. Please try again.

Westbrook was 20 years old when he was drafted. Dunn is 22 with a college degree... Why don't you try comparing their stats at the same age? What was Westbrook doing at 22 years of age against NBA competition?
Smush Parker's stats, well I'll just provide his steals since secretly that's what Dunn's fans are infatuated with besides his body type... 2.3 spg...

Dunn at 21, without that degree was putting up even gaudier numbers. This idea that Westbrook and Wade were somehow light years better college players is just false. I'm not saying Dunn will be as good as those guys in the NBA, but your logic here is faulty.

[SelfishPlayer]

Westbrook's final season at UCLA: 12.7 ppg., 4.3 apg., 3.9 rpg., 1.6 spg.
Wade's final season at Marquette: 21.5 ppg., 4.4 apg., 6.6 rpg., 2.2 spg.

Dunn's junior year at Providence: 15.6 ppg., 7.5 apg., 5.5 rpg., 2.7 spg.
Dunn's final season at Providence: 16.4 ppg., 6.2 apg., 5.3 rpg., 2.5 spg.

Dunn's numbers the last 2 years compare pretty favorably to Wade's and are much better than Westbrook's best season. Please try again.

Westbrook was 20 years old when he was drafted. Dunn is 22 with a college degree... Why don't you try comparing their stats at the same age? What was Westbrook doing at 22 years of age against NBA competition?
Smush Parker's stats, well I'll just provide his steals since secretly that's what Dunn's fans are infatuated with besides his body type... 2.3 spg...

Dunn at 21, without that degree was putting up even gaudier numbers. This idea that Westbrook and Wade were somehow light years better college players is just false. I'm not saying Dunn will be as good as those guys in the NBA, but your logic here is faulty.

Dunn has never produced gaudy numbers.
Marcus Smart and Iman Shumpert are two more combo guard types that stole the ball alot and had a strong cult following.
This fixation upon comparing Dunn to Westbrook and Wade is beyond lazy.

[Cammo101]

Marcus Smart and Iman Shumpert are two more combo guard types that stole the ball alot and had a strong cult following. This fixation upon comparing Dunn to Westbrook and Wade is beyond lazy.

I'm not the one who made the comparisons, but numbers wise they aren't far off. I think Westbrook doesn't work as a comparison because he is an uber-freak athlete. Wade makes some sense though, they play very similar styles of play. That's not to say he will be as good as Wade, but style wise it makes a ton of sense. Guys like Smart and Shumpert never had Dunn's offensive game and ability with the ball in their hands. Those are just as way off as Westbrook is as far as comparisons go.

[SelfishPlayer]

Marcus Smart and Iman Shumpert are two more combo guard types that stole the ball alot and had a strong cult following. This fixation upon comparing Dunn to Westbrook and Wade is beyond lazy.

Those are just as way off as Westbrook is as far as comparisons go.

I disagree. Smush Parker had AND1 style dribble moves (NYC playground legend) but none of that made him a D Wade in the NBA. Shumpert and Dunn have equal dribble breakdown ability.
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[MemphisX]

Marcus Smart and Iman Shumpert are two more combo guard types that stole the ball alot and had a strong cult following. This fixation upon comparing Dunn to Westbrook and Wade is beyond lazy.

I'm not the one who made the comparisons, but numbers wise they aren't far off. I think Westbrook doesn't work as a comparison because he is an uber-freak athlete. Wade makes some sense though, they play very similar styles of play. That's not to say he will be as good as Wade, but style wise it makes a ton of sense. Guys like Smart and Shumpert never had Dunn's offensive game and ability with the ball in their hands. Those are just as way off as Westbrook is as far as comparisons go.

Wade was an uber-freak athlete also.

[Cammo101]

Marcus Smart and Iman Shumpert are two more combo guard types that stole the ball alot and had a strong cult following. This fixation upon comparing Dunn to Westbrook and Wade is beyond lazy.

I'm not the one who made the comparisons, but numbers wise they aren't far off. I think Westbrook doesn't work as a comparison because he is an uber-freak athlete. Wade makes some sense though, they play very similar styles of play. That's not to say he will be as good as Wade, but style wise it makes a ton of sense. Guys like Smart and Shumpert never had Dunn's offensive game and ability with the ball in their hands. Those are just as way off as Westbrook is as far as comparisons go.

Wade was an uber-freak athlete also.

Not like Westbrook.

[Klomp]

Dunn is quickly becoming my favorite potential draft pick for the Timberwolves. I think he would be a perfect match for a Tom Thibodeau-coached team.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Dunn is quickly becoming my favorite potential draft pick for the Timberwolves. I think he would be a perfect match for a Tom Thibodeau-coached team.

Bulls fan here. I don't know where you found that avi, but it's magnificent.

[Klomp]

Bulls fan here. I don't know where you found that avi, but it's magnificent.

Somewhere on Google.

[SelfishPlayer]

Antonio Daniels is a name that I want to add to the list of similar players that I have seen. He also had a high amount of steals his last year in college at 2.3 per game. He too was a senior...
Keyon Dooling 1.4 spg
Smush Parker 2.3 spg
Marcus Smart 2.9 spg
Iman Shumpert 2.7 spg

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

The Glove 2.0? Big, big fan of Dunn. I think he's a great fit in Minnesota or New Orleans.

[Cammo101]

Antonio Daniels is a name that I want to add to the list of similar players that I have seen. He also had a high amount of steals his last year in college at 2.3 per game. He too was a senior...
Keyon Dooling 1.4 spg
Smush Parker 2.3 spg
Marcus Smart 2.9 spg
Iman Shumpert 2.7 spg

Daniels makes some sense, as he was a big time prospect coming out of college.

[moss_is_1]

He looks like a mix of Wall and Wade. He has the big size for a PG, with the big wingspan(about the same as Wall, little smaller than Wade), and the shaky jumpshot, even though he is probably the best shooter of the 3(and the worst athlete). I think the 76ers should definitely try and come out of this draft with Dunn and Ingram or Simmons(I'd prefer Ingram).

Dunn - Covington - Ingram - ? - Noel is a good starting point, and then still have Embiid/Saric to play with. I'm assuming they'd have to move Okafor for #3.

[Dr Positivity]

I think he's a generational defensive prospect at PG. But when 10 ORPMs rate higher than the #1 DRPM it means defense alone doesn't cut it. He has to translate good slashing, passing and acceptable shooting.

[HotelVitale]

Antonio Daniels is a name that I want to add to the list of similar players that I have seen. He also had a high amount of steals his last year in college at 2.3 per game. He too was a senior...
Keyon Dooling 1.4 spg
Smush Parker 2.3 spg
Marcus Smart 2.9 spg
Iman Shumpert 2.7 spg

Daniels makes some sense, as he was a big time prospect coming out of college.

We talked about the Daniels comp quite a bit a while back, can't recall if it was in this thread or another. It's a thought-provoking comp in a lot of ways, but there were some conclusions I remember: Daniels wasn't nearly the creator Dunn is; don't look at assists per game but at assist%--Dunn's was 1st in the NCAA last year, 2nd behind Kay Felder this year. Daniels was more like an athlete who could sort of handle the rock rather than a real point guard. And Daniels was also playing against pretty weak MAC competition to get his #s at Bowling Green (he also played a ton of minutes).

That said, I think that some of the things that held Daniels form being very good could cause problems for Dunn. Dunn can juke guys but what then? Not money on pull-ups, not a terrific finisher, not exceptionally crafty in the lane. I've seen all the tap there is on Dunn, and I don't know enough to guess how good he'll be making those lightning quick decisions and adjusting to huge athletic guys guarding him every night.

[SelfishPlayer]

Antonio Daniels is a name that I want to add to the list of similar players that I have seen. He also had a high amount of steals his last year in college at 2.3 per game. He too was a senior...
Keyon Dooling 1.4 spg
Smush Parker 2.3 spg
Marcus Smart 2.9 spg
Iman Shumpert 2.7 spg

Daniels makes some sense, as he was a big time prospect coming out of college.

Daniels wasn't nearly the creator Dunn is; don't look at assists per game but at assist%--Dunn's was 1st in the NCAA last year, 2nd behind Kay Felder this year. Daniels was more like an athlete who could sort of handle the rock rather than a real point guard.

Why not look at assists? Asst% can be manipulated by the head coach by simply initiating set plays with the same guy. Dunn dominated the basketball for Providence and had a high scoring forward in Ben Bentil averaging 21ppg that he could give the ball to on set plays. Other than that Dunn was a turnover machine averaging 3.5 turnovers per game to his paltry 6.2 assists. Asst% doesn't account for turnover ratio, which Dunn didn't even have a 2 to 1 turnover ratio in college even with another NBA player on his team. Dunn reminds me of another 22 year old turnover machine out of Providence that was simply allowed to "do his thing," MarShon Brooks. People thought that MarShon Brooks would be a much better pro than Klay Thompson.

[Mustinjo]

I just don't see him becoming very good offensive player. His jumpshot is suspect and his decision making is really poor. To me he is more like Reggie Jackson with better defense.

[SelfishPlayer]

Reggie Jackson is another great name to add to the list of players that resemble Dunn without the lazy superstar comparisons of Wade and Westbrook.

Reggie Jackson 1.1 spg
Antonio Daniels 2.3 spg
Keyon Dooling 1.4 spg
Smush Parker 2.3 spg
Marcus Smart 2.9 spg
Iman Shumpert 2.7 spg

[HotelVitale]

Why not look at assists? Asst% can be manipulated by the head coach by simply initiating set plays with the same guy. Dunn dominated the basketball for Providence and had a high scoring forward in Ben Bentil averaging 21ppg that he could give the ball to on set plays.. Dunn reminds me of another 22 year old turnover machine out of Providence that was simply allowed to "do his thing," MarShon Brooks. People thought that MarShon Brooks would be a much better pro than Klay Thompson.

Sorry, if you think Dunn was allowed to 'do his thing' at PU, you simply didn't watch the team last year. Very structured offense, with Dunn sharing the ball on the perimeter with two other ball-handlers/initiators, and almost no room for Dunn to just grab the ball and attack (aside from transition). He played along with that too much, and it's probably the biggest reason why it's hard to get a confident read on him now.

I don't like Dunn that much, think he'll have a hard time scoring in the NBA. But I don't understand how reasons that are this poorly though-out can lead you to any conclusion. Your points here are:
--that Dunn's coach attempted to inflate his assist rate by running set plays for him, and apparently otherwise not letting him handle the ball (which would've brought his assist rate down). Though you also insist Dunn dominated the ball.
--that Marshon Brooks, who plays a different position than Dunn and played under a totally different coach with different players, is very relevant for evaluating Kris Dunn's future because they both averaged about the same amount of TOs (and because some people overrated him coming out of college)