Rondo

[DeRoma]

Hey guys Nets fan here coming in peace with a few question. We've been having debate, in our board, for about a month now talking about who would you rather sign in FA Rondo or Lin. The board is split between the two. Anyway the intervention is that Rondo is the better player and fits like a glove in our team basketball wise. However, his attitude is the problem. Lin on the other hand, has some bit of an upside and will give us some flexibility in the future. But, there are way too many question if he can even carry a team. You guys, have been watching Rondo all season so you guys should have the better judgement. Anyway, I just want to know why don't you guys want to sign him? Is his attitude really that bad? Can you give me a review of his past season? What was his strength and weaknesses this year? I just want to know the overall outlook of Rondo from a Kings fan perspective.

[City of Trees]

1. Strength: Racking up assists

Weakness: Killing ball movement trying to rack up assists



2. Strength: Good rebounding PG

Weakness: Doesn't get out well in transition D because he'd rather get a rebound on the stat sheet.



3. Strength: Improved 3 pt shooter. Actually respectable #'s this year

Weakness: No midrange game. Defense sags off.



4. Strength: Smartest player on the team.

Weakness: Ignores coaches orders at times because he thinks he's smarter than the coach.



5. Strength: Provided leadership on and off the court. Showed Cousins how to prepare for games, watching film, ect.

Weakness: None. From a fans perspective attitude wise Rondo was a true professional towards the team and coaches. As for what happened behind closed doors I can't answer.
*EDIT*
I forgot Rondo got in trouble for using a homophobic slur towards a ref.



With Rondo you take the good with the bad. His goal is to fill the stat sheet every night. Sometimes he is the reason you win and other nights he kills any type of rhythm with his selfish assists. Physically he's no longer the great defender he once was. Don't expect him to D up anyone. He can play the passing lanes and tends to be vocal on Defense which is no surprise given his high IQ. Offensively he can still take it to the basket and finish around the rim. No midrange. Respectable 3pt%.

If you ask me out of Rondo or Lin I take Lin.

Sent from my Z970 using Tapatalk

[SactoKingsFan]

I watched a lot of Kings games this season and wasn't all that impressed with Rondo. He's clearly lost some of his athleticism. Rondo had a pretty poor defensive season and still doesn't improve spacing with his shot. His 3PT % (36.5) might look good but that's inflated by making almost 45% of his corner 3s. Still crap from 3-10 and mid-range. Also doesn't draw many fouls and has been a sub 60% FT shooter over last couple seasons.

I'm obviously not a fan of the post prime version of Rondo but he's a good rebounder for a PG and he can run a offense without having much of an offensive system to work with. However, the problem with letting Rondo do his thing with a offense is that he can be prone to over dribbling and assist padding.



Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

[SacKingZZZ]

For being ball dominant Rondo isn't really a ball movement killer IMO. His spot 3 point shot is better, but yes, defenses let him shoot all night. That corner 3 is where it's at for him.

His biggest weakness by far was his defense, but it's almost hard to judge any King last year with the abomination of a system Karl put out there. He will most likely never be a good defender, but I don't think he's as bad as he looked last year. Part of that was the system I'm sure.

I think he'd be a great pickup for a team like the Nets. Lopez is a better pick and roll player than Cuz so there is a guaranteed go to play right there.

Right now the Nets need creators and talent so I'd think Rondo would be a much better option than Lin who is more of a role player/scorer type. Rondo can run your offense.

Lin would be a better option for the Kings, but if the Kings didn't have Cousins and Gay I would take Rondo all day over Lin straight up.

[MrDollarBills]

Hi Kings fans, Nets fan here thanks for taking time to chime in. We have a divide on our board as to this guy's merits vs. what he can do for a team in our position. I personally don't want anything to do with him because of his attitude, how was he, as far as you guys could tell, as a teammate and a locker room guy for the Kings?

[SacKingZZZ]

The worst thing about Rondo not coming back would be missing his leadership. He was probably the most professional King last year. Outside of that incident with Kennedy of course.

I don't know where Cousins stands now, but he was fairly vocal about Rondo being re-signed about mid way through last season.

[MrDollarBills]

The worst thing about Rondo not coming back would be missing his leadership. He was probably the most professional King last year. Outside of that incident with Kennedy of course.

I don't know where Cousins stands now, but he was fairly vocal about Rondo being re-signed about mid way through last season.

So you'd think he's done a complete 360 from his behavior that got him kicked out of Dallas? My main concern about us signing him would be his attitude, after what we went through with Deron Williams I'm wary of guys with questionable attitudes.

[SacKingZZZ]

The worst thing about Rondo not coming back would be missing his leadership. He was probably the most professional King last year. Outside of that incident with Kennedy of course.

I don't know where Cousins stands now, but he was fairly vocal about Rondo being re-signed about mid way through last season.

So you'd think he's done a complete 360 from his behavior that got him kicked out of Dallas? My main concern about us signing him would be his attitude, after what we went through with Deron Williams I'm wary of guys with questionable attitudes.

I don't know what the deal was in Dallas. They did a piece on him and they showed his teammates from Dallas talking about him and they all seemed to really like the guy. Dirk had some glowing things to say about him. I'm sure he can be a douche but in the NBA I'm sure you learn to deal with those fairly early on in your career. Even Carlisle said something about how part of that problem was on him too. Of course you have to factor in his contract status last year but I don't recall a peep about Rondo causing any major problems behind the scenes.

[KF10]

I actually like Rondo and if the price is right, I would be inclined to bringing him in again. I think the Kings likes him too but it's previously reported that they will not get into a bidding war to get him back if the water becomes too murky. (disclaimer: this report was before the Collison's dv thing, so who knows if the priority of retaining Rondo has changed or not).

[MrDollarBills]

Interesting stuff here guys. Thanks for your opinions.

[teerfour+40LG]

Hey guys Nets fan here coming in peace with a few question. We've been having debate, in our board, for about a month now talking about who would you rather sign in FA Rondo or Lin. The board is split between the two. Anyway the intervention is that Rondo is the better player and fits like a glove in our team basketball wise. However, his attitude is the problem. Lin on the other hand, has some bit of an upside and will give us some flexibility in the future. But, there are way too many question if he can even carry a team. You guys, have been watching Rondo all season so you guys should have the better judgement. Anyway, I just want to know why don't you guys want to sign him? Is his attitude really that bad? Can you give me a review of his past season? What was his strength and weaknesses this year? I just want to know the overall outlook of Rondo from a Kings fan perspective.

His attitude wasn't a problem. He was a positive for the team terms of leadership and all that.

On the court, he was mostly positive except for a few death lineups such as this one

which I am not surprised Koufos is a part of.

I was a little concerned about the effect Rondo may have had on Gay. Gay has usually been really good with around 4-5 assists per 100p, but this year he sank to 2.4 and had a negative assist to turnover ratio. That could be a reason why the team may not want to outbid themselves on Rondo.

Another factor is that Rondo was a big George Karl supporter because George Karl let him do whatever he wanted. I don't know what Dave Joerger's style is or if he'd let Rondo have enough free reign to be happy. The Kings probably have a better idea of that.

So you'd think he's done a complete 360 from his behavior that got him kicked out of Dallas? My main concern about us signing him would be his attitude, after what we went through with Deron Williams I'm wary of guys with questionable attitudes.

Rondo's Dallas problem was completely related to Carlisle. Carlisle didn't want to give Rondo any control of the offense and that made him mad. Here in SAC, George Karl gave Rondo free reign, so Rondo was happy. If you want to predict Rondo's attitude on your team, just think about how much freedom your coach would be willing to give him.

[SacKingZZZ]

Hey guys Nets fan here coming in peace with a few question. We've been having debate, in our board, for about a month now talking about who would you rather sign in FA Rondo or Lin. The board is split between the two. Anyway the intervention is that Rondo is the better player and fits like a glove in our team basketball wise. However, his attitude is the problem. Lin on the other hand, has some bit of an upside and will give us some flexibility in the future. But, there are way too many question if he can even carry a team. You guys, have been watching Rondo all season so you guys should have the better judgement. Anyway, I just want to know why don't you guys want to sign him? Is his attitude really that bad? Can you give me a review of his past season? What was his strength and weaknesses this year? I just want to know the overall outlook of Rondo from a Kings fan perspective.

His attitude wasn't a problem. He was a positive for the team terms of leadership and all that.

On the court, he was mostly positive except for a few death lineups such as this one

which I am not surprised Koufos is a part of.

I was a little concerned about the effect Rondo may have had on Gay. Gay has usually been really good with around 4-5 assists per 100p, but this year he sank to 2.4 and had a negative assist to turnover ratio. That could be a reason why the team may not want to outbid themselves on Rondo.

Another factor is that Rondo was a big George Karl supporter because George Karl let him do whatever he wanted. I don't know what Dave Joerger's style is or if he'd let Rondo have enough free reign to be happy. The Kings probably have a better idea of that.

So you'd think he's done a complete 360 from his behavior that got him kicked out of Dallas? My main concern about us signing him would be his attitude, after what we went through with Deron Williams I'm wary of guys with questionable attitudes.

Rondo's Dallas problem was completely related to Carlisle. Carlisle didn't want to give Rondo any control of the offense and that made him mad. Here in SAC, George Karl gave Rondo free reign, so Rondo was happy. If you want to predict Rondo's attitude on your team, just think about how much freedom your coach would be willing to give him.

And that last bit is really the point and why bringing Rondo back or not should be solely tied to needs. I think with a team like the Nets he would have free reign because the pieces they have could easily play off of him. I'm still not sold on him being a good fit for the Kings although he's not a terrible one either.

[blind prophet]

I actually like Rondo and if the price is right, I would be inclined to bringing him in again. I think the Kings likes him too but it's previously reported that they will not get into a bidding war to get him back if the water becomes too murky. (disclaimer: this report was before the Collison's dv thing, so who knows if the priority of retaining Rondo has changed or not).

I'd like him back too if the finances work out.

I think he works well with WCS especially.

I'm going to also say his D was in part due to Karl's oddball schemes as well.

[shakendfries]

Thanks for the responses. Would it be fair to compare post-ACL Rondo's impact to that of Ricky Rubio?
-Passes well, not a great jump shooter and won't move the needle much on defense

[SactoKingsFan]

Thanks for the responses. Would it be fair to compare post-ACL Rondo's impact to that of Ricky Rubio?
-Passes well, not a great jump shooter and won't move the needle much on defense

No, I don't see that as a fair comparison. Rubio's a top 10 point guard. He's a superior playmaker, one of the top defensive point guards and way better at drawing fouls while being 80+% FT shooter.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

[City of Trees]

Thanks for the responses. Would it be fair to compare post-ACL Rondo's impact to that of Ricky Rubio?
-Passes well, not a great jump shooter and won't move the needle much on defense

No, I don't see that as a fair comparison. Rubio's a top 10 point guard. He's a superior playmaker, one of the top defensive point guards and way better at drawing fouls while being 80+% FT shooter.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

Eye test says Rubio can get blown by on a nightly basis.

Sent from my Z970 using Tapatalk

[SactoKingsFan]

Thanks for the responses. Would it be fair to compare post-ACL Rondo's impact to that of Ricky Rubio?
-Passes well, not a great jump shooter and won't move the needle much on defense

No, I don't see that as a fair comparison. Rubio's a top 10 point guard. He's a superior playmaker, one of the top defensive point guards and way better at drawing fouls while being 80+% FT shooter.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

Eye test says Rubio can get blown by on a nightly basis.

Sent from my Z970 using Tapatalk

Pretty much every PG gets blown by every game. Rubio is great at defending PnR, can switch on bigger players without getting abused and is very good at forcing turnovers.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

[c3j3h]

The worst thing about Rondo not coming back would be missing his leadership. He was probably the most professional King last year. Outside of that incident with Kennedy of course.

I don't know where Cousins stands now, but he was fairly vocal about Rondo being re-signed about mid way through last season.

So you'd think he's done a complete 360 from his behavior that got him kicked out of Dallas? My main concern about us signing him would be his attitude, after what we went through with Deron Williams I'm wary of guys with questionable attitudes.

It seems like Rondo's issue in Dallas was the fact that Rick Carlisle dominates his offense. If you watch Mavs games, Carlisle calls out pretty much every play from the sideline and expects his PG to follow suit. Rondo doesn't like that. Rondo did so well with Karl (and I use the term well about as loosely as possible here) because Karl didn't give a **** about what anybody did on the court. He pretty much let Rondo do whatever the hell he wanted, which is exactly what Rondo wants.

So whether or not Rondo is right of the Nets is dependent upon how Atkinson will run that offense. Is he going to have a strict playbook and expect his PG to run every play he calls? Then you should probably look for a different PG. Is he going to have a free-flowing offense where the PG can run the show as he sees fit? The maybe Rondo is your guy.

I will say that if the Nets run it back net season with Lopez/Young/RHJ then Rondo will be a terrible choice. None of those guys are 3p threats at all. Unless you acquire a smooth-shooting SG that can bury the long ball at 40%+, that team isn't going to score.

Either way, I just hope the Kings don't being Rondo back. He's fun to watch, but I'm not interested in him running the show anymore.

[Resistance]

Atkinson has worked with Mike D'Antoni and Mike Budenholzer (Spurs background).

I would expect Atkinson to borrow from those two coaches to form a philosophy - style on offense and Rondo may or may not not fit in well in with that. Rondo would probably enjoy the passing required with a ball & player movement offense, but the extra dribbling and ball dominance would be discouraged.

[Kings2013]

In the article on wiretap Rajon pointed to the lack of cohesion and felt like at times his work rate wasn't matched by his teammates, which is a bit odd since his lack of interest on defense this last season is one of the reasons I personally don't want him back