Team Canada Basketball Thread

[aminiaturebuddha]

I tried reading Wolstat and Yanawhateveropolous tweets. Wolstat mentioned last week he thought Stauskas was out but it was unconfirmed. He isnt saying much. Yanawhateveropolous tweeted last week he heard Wiggins, Stauskas, Bennett, Nichoslon, Powell are rumored to be out (but unconfirmed). Neither seems to know much at all. One of them thought KO was playing no less than two weeks ago. I thought this was their job. There doesn't seem to be any decent sources of info out there.

Good piece on Ejim today by Vice Sports - at least someone in the media cares.
https://sports.vice.com/ca/article/melvin-ejims-breakout-year-has-put-nba-national-team-on-notice?utm_source=vicesportstwitterca

Supposedly there was to be a media event tomorrow - but it has been postponed. No new date/time set. This isnt going to end well is it?

It's astounding how little information there is. North Pole Hoops even had a podcast interview with Stauskas that ended with them talking about the National Team, and somehow they didn't even bother to ask him about this summer.

http://northpolehoops.com/2016/05/31/nph-introduces-the-scores-table-canadas-new-basketball-podcast/

[Mirotic12]

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Pangos has Greek nationality. So that means he would have a much higher chance of getting a contract from a Greek League team.

There are recent reports that the Greek team Panathinaikos has offered him a contract. Since he has Greek citizenship, and is a young player, I would think that they would want to keep him for many years. They also have a much bigger budget than those Spanish clubs (Malaga and Baskonia) that were mentioned earlier. So he could get way more money from Panathinaikos also.

The number I see is €800,000 euros net income. That means he would pocket that much money, it would be the amount earned after all taxes and agent fees. Plus, the club will pay for his taxes and agent fees, and for a car, housing, and all living expenses, as is standard.

Taking that, plus the fact NBA contracts lose union and retirement fees, that means that is something like a $1.8 million NBA contract, without even counting the bonuses like the car, house, and living expenses being paid.

The only drawback for Pangos with such a move like this is the owner of Panathinaikos. The guy is absolutely the worst club owner in all of world sports. For a guy like Pangos, that owner would be something he is totally unprepared for.

[mojo13]

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Pangos has Greek nationality. So that means he would have a much higher chance of getting a contract from a Greek League team.

There are recent reports that the Greek team Panathinaikos has offered him a contract. Since he has Greek citizenship, and is a young player, I would think that they would want to keep him for many years. They also have a much bigger budget than those Spanish clubs (Malaga and Baskonia) that were mentioned earlier. So he could get way more money from Panathinaikos also.

The number I see is €800,000 euros net income. That means he would pocket that much money, it would be the amount earned after all taxes and agent fees. Plus, the club will pay for his taxes and agent fees, and for a car, housing, and all living expenses, as is standard.

Taking that, plus the fact NBA contracts lose union and retirement fees, that means that is something like a $1.8 million NBA contract, without even counting the bonuses like the car, house, and living expenses being paid.

The only drawback for Pangos with such a move like this is the owner of Panathinaikos. The guy is absolutely the worst club owner in all of world sports. For a guy like Pangos, that owner would be something he is totally unprepared for.

I am fairly certain he is not Greek (officially). He has a Slovenian passport...I know that for a fact. He is playing off of that. Yes that is a Greek name and I know Greeks like to consider foreign players Greek if they have even the loosest connection to Greece. (Hello Tyler Dorsey!). Anyways...great for him if he can get a contract like that for such a high level team (despite the crazy owner). I'd like to see it happen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkGQdVdWUAAzuqs.jpg:large

Looking at Pangos's Twitter - pretty sure he wont be with Team Canada.


Looks like Unicaja is offering as well:
http://www.eurobasket.com/Spain/news/449332/Kevin-Pangos-may-agree-terms-with-Unicaja

[Mirotic12]

I am fairly certain he is not Greek (officially). He has a Slovenian passport...I know that for a fact. He is playing off of that. Yes that is a Greek name and I know Greeks like to consider foreign players Greek if they have even the loosest connection to Greece. (Hello Tyler Dorsey!). Anyways...great for him if he can get a contract like that for such a high level team (despite the crazy owner). I'd like to see it happen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkGQdVdWUAAzuqs.jpg:large

Looking at Pangos's Twitter - pretty sure he wont be with Team Canada.


Looks like Unicaja is offering as well:
http://www.eurobasket.com/Spain/news/449332/Kevin-Pangos-may-agree-terms-with-Unicaja

He is a Greek citizen. Greece has the same exact nationality laws as the USA does. That means that upon birth, Pangos, and also Tyler Dorsey that you mentioned, were automatically Greek citizens. They are Greek citizens at birth, through natural born birth citizenship rights.

Maybe Canada has different laws, but Greece has the same exact kind of citizenship laws as the USA and many other countries do. If one of your parents is Greek, then you are automatically a full Greek citizen at birth. You can call this a loose connection all you want, but having natural born birth citizenship through a parent is a very common nationality law for many countries.

Again, I don't know how Canada does it, but Greece has the same exact nationality laws as the USA and many other countries. There is nothing at all strange or unusual about it. Many countries have the same exact law.

[frumble]

I tried reading Wolstat and Yanawhateveropolous tweets. Wolstat mentioned last week he thought Stauskas was out but it was unconfirmed. He isnt saying much. Yanawhateveropolous tweeted last week he heard Wiggins, Stauskas, Bennett, Nichoslon, Powell are rumored to be out (but unconfirmed). Neither seems to know much at all. One of them thought KO was playing no less than two weeks ago. I thought this was their job. There doesn't seem to be any decent sources of info out there.

I have a feeling Yannoupoulos is right on Wiggins, Stauskas, Nicholson and Powell. I still hold out some hope re Bennett.
I am doubtful re Thompson.

I think the team may look something like:

Birch
Lyles
Doornekamp
Joseph
Ennis

Ejim
Anthony
Bhullar or Bachynski
Brooks or Pierre
Heslip
Scrubb
Hanlan


But, yeah, the lack of information or even interest is pretty disheartening.

Go to a Leafs message board at any time of year and there will be plenty of posts about who is likely to make Canada's roster at the next Olympics, World Championships, or World Cup. There will likely even be speculation about other countries' rosters.

[mojo13]

I am fairly certain he is not Greek (officially). He has a Slovenian passport...I know that for a fact. He is playing off of that. Yes that is a Greek name and I know Greeks like to consider foreign players Greek if they have even the loosest connection to Greece. (Hello Tyler Dorsey!). Anyways...great for him if he can get a contract like that for such a high level team (despite the crazy owner). I'd like to see it happen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkGQdVdWUAAzuqs.jpg:large

Looking at Pangos's Twitter - pretty sure he wont be with Team Canada.


Looks like Unicaja is offering as well:
http://www.eurobasket.com/Spain/news/449332/Kevin-Pangos-may-agree-terms-with-Unicaja

He is a Greek citizen. Greece has the same exact nationality laws as the USA does. That means that upon birth, Pangos, and also Tyler Dorsey that you mentioned, were automatically Greek citizens. They are Greek citizens at birth, through natural born birth citizenship rights.

Maybe Canada has different laws, but Greece has the same exact kind of citizenship laws as the USA and many other countries do. If one of your parents is Greek, then you are automatically a full Greek citizen at birth. You can call this a loose connection all you want, but having natural born birth citizenship through a parent is a very common nationality law for many countries.

Again, I don't know how Canada does it, but Greece has the same exact nationality laws as the USA and many other countries. There is nothing at all strange or unusual about it. Many countries have the same exact law.

I should let this die, but do you have any support for him or his parents being Greek? I thought both his parents were born and raised in Canada. In a world of global migration a name is a name. You really want to pull players that maybe had a great (or great, great) grandparent that immigrated from Greece 150 years ago? Ignore that question - this is not a discussion for here. But I am curious to know if his parent are Greek citizens as you suggest.

There has to be some limit right? As a multi-generation Canadian I am curious. My father was able to acquire a passport from the UK because his grandfather was born there. Great tool for working internationally. I however am pretty sure I am not eligible - one too many generations removed (at least for the UK). I live in the US now and if I had kids here they would automatically get Canadian citizenship. But would their children (my grandchildren) if born in the US as well?

I understand the one generation removed, but two or three gets pretty desperate in my opinion (sports speaking).

I get that Greece has been a net-emigration country for a couple centuries whereas North America has been a immigration destination. I would expect the countries losing citizens are apt to be more loose with granting citizenship to diaspora, where the counties gaining population are going to be tighter. It is ok to admit that...

[frumble]

He is a Greek citizen. Greece has the same exact nationality laws as the USA does. That means that upon birth, Pangos, and also Tyler Dorsey that you mentioned, were automatically Greek citizens. They are Greek citizens at birth, through natural born birth citizenship rights.

Maybe Canada has different laws, but Greece has the same exact kind of citizenship laws as the USA and many other countries do. If one of your parents is Greek, then you are automatically a full Greek citizen at birth. You can call this a loose connection all you want, but having natural born birth citizenship through a parent is a very common nationality law for many countries.

Again, I don't know how Canada does it, but Greece has the same exact nationality laws as the USA and many other countries. There is nothing at all strange or unusual about it. Many countries have the same exact law.

The United States does not have such a law. Just because one of your parents is a US citizen does not mean you are automatically a US citizen. It depends on how many years the US citizen parent was physically present in the US (and how many years after age 14).

My kids were all born in the US and are US citizens. They moved to Canada before age 14. If they marry and have kids with non-US citizens, and aren't physically present in the US for at least two years before those kids are born, those kids will not be US citizens.

As a result, those kids would be not be US citizens despite having an American grandparent.

Was Bill Pangos physically present in Greece for at least two years after the age of 14? If not, then Kevin Pangos would not be an automatic Greek citizen if Greece has the same rules as the US.

I suspect the Greek nationality laws are looser, which is the loose connection Mojo was referring to.

[PoundTown]

I'll be pretty disapointed if a group of them don't show up, especially Wiggins. I know Cory will be there, and he played deep into the season and is a lock every year to play. He is their second best perimeter player, maybe 2nd best player overall. I really wish they qualified last year, but they didn't. Stauskas atleast has a little bit of reason, he is at a very important junction of his career and if it's strength or skill development or whatever, than I guess that is his perogative. Olynyk's injury is obviously holding him back. And if Thompson has any lingering issues, okay. I'd really like to see Lyles, Powell, Ennis, Wiggins there. Add Thompson and Stauskas and you have a team to be excited about.

[Undefeated]

I could be wrong but I heard Wiggins will be working out with his trainer in June-July which conflicts with the Qualifiers. Not sure how reliable my info is.

[mojo13]

I'll be pretty disapointed if a group of them don't show up, especially Wiggins. I know Cory will be there, and he played deep into the season and is a lock every year to play. He is their second best perimeter player, maybe 2nd best player overall. I really wish they qualified last year, but they didn't. Stauskas atleast has a little bit of reason, he is at a very important junction of his career and if it's strength or skill development or whatever, than I guess that is his perogative. Olynyk's injury is obviously holding him back. And if Thompson has any lingering issues, okay. I'd really like to see Lyles, Powell, Ennis, Wiggins there. Add Thompson and Stauskas and you have a team to be excited about.

I just can't see Powell being there as a RFA and people talking he is in line for $4-8M per year. He isnt going to risk it.
The rest you mention should be there....but it sounds like the alarm bells are ringing for Wiggins, Stauskas and Thompson at least.
But I agree...still hopeful...

[Mirotic12]

Greece has one the stricter nationality laws in Europe, so by no means in any way does it have loose citizen laws. The laws also to play in its national team (like Tyler Dorsey) are much stricter, one of the strictest in the world, and way more strict than USA for example. Actually, only a few countries have such strict rules to qualify for a national team, as Greece does.

Pangos qualifies to play in the Greek League as a domestic player because his father is a Greek diaspora person, therefore he qualifies. Greece has a diaspora law, like the USA (the law I am talking about), and like many other countries. Pangos' father is a Greek diaspora, therefore Pangos is a Greek diaspora, and therefore he qualifies for Greek citizenship. Greece does not have loose citizenship laws. It's definitely one of the hardest countries in Europe to get citizenship from.

Anyway, Pangos can be very thankful that he qualifies for this, otherwise he would not be getting offered that contract by Panathinaikos (without a Greek status, he would not be in their plans). He stands to become a millionaire due to those laws, so I am sure he is happy about it, especially since that means the amount of money he can earn in Europe is much higher, since a big team like Panathinaikos would then have a reason to invest in him.

Back on topic please guys.

[Risk101]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WolstatSun/status/741100494827839488[/tweet]

[RaptorsLife]

Melvin Ejam, oliver hanlan have great shots now to make it

[mojo13]

Greece has one the stricter nationality laws in Europe, so by no means in any way does it have loose citizen laws. The laws also to play in its national team (like Tyler Dorsey) are much stricter, one of the strictest in the world, and way more strict than USA for example. Actually, only a few countries have such strict rules to qualify for a national team, as Greece does.

Pangos qualifies to play in the Greek League as a domestic player because his father is a Greek diaspora person, therefore he qualifies. Greece has a diaspora law, like the USA (the law I am talking about), and like many other countries. Pangos' father is a Greek diaspora, therefore Pangos is a Greek diaspora, and therefore he qualifies for Greek citizenship. Greece does not have loose citizenship laws. It's definitely one of the hardest countries in Europe to get citizenship from.

Anyway, Pangos can be very thankful that he qualifies for this, otherwise he would not be getting offered that contract by Panathinaikos (without a Greek status, he would not be in their plans). He stands to become a millionaire due to those laws, so I am sure he is happy about it, especially since that means the amount of money he can earn in Europe is much higher, since a big team like Panathinaikos would then have a reason to invest in him.

Back on topic please guys.

Last comment and I am done. Looked it up, you can get Greek citizenship if your parents or grandparents where born in Greece.
http://livingingreece.gr/2007/07/09/acquiring-greek-citizenship-by-foreign-nationals-of-greek-origin/
In Canada or the US it is only true with parents and there are residency rules regarding the parents around that. Sorry you are wrong and that part. Re Pangos his parent or grandparents would need to have been born in Greece, no one has proven this true as of now. But yes, back on topic.

Stauskas out as the rumors have indicated.

[bozothepope]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WolstatSun/status/741100494827839488[/tweet]

The nightmare begins...

[PoundTown]

I would like to see Dillon Brooks on the team if Stauskas isn't suiting up.

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I would like to see Dillon Brooks on the team if Stauskas isn't suiting up.

I think Brooks will be competing with Pierre for the back up 3 spot (to Doornekamp, assuming no Wiggins). Slim chance they take all 3 (Brooks, Pierre, and Doornekamp) with Doornekamp seeing some time as a 4.

For Stauskas' spot, I think Joseph will likely see significant time at the 2 (with Ennis at PG). With Heslip, Scrubb, and Hanlan as the likely other guards, it leaves us a bit undersized at the 2.

[Pooh_Jeter]

At this rate not only is Doornekamp going to be on the team, he is going to be starting. I don't know if I can handle another international event watching him.

[SHFT]

I look forward to the day we can match up with the US....10 years, 20 years....whatever... I'll be waiting and will be super pumped

[Mattd97]

At this rate not only is Doornekamp going to be on the team, he is going to be starting. I don't know if I can handle another international event watching him.

seriously. this team is very underwhelming offensively if wiggins isnt there. no nicholson, TT or olynyk either likely. were going to need our backcourt to be lights out for 4 straight games. and its not as if doornekamp brings anything defensively either


also the bit about greece having crazy hard citizenship rules is hilarious. if were talking about pangos - a guy who as far as i can tell following him for -- what, almost a decade now -- has never said a word about the country can get citizenship its not hard. i know people who have never been there and got citizenship. maybe the rest of europe is even easier, i have no idea, although i know UK/Ireland it can come from a grandparent, but no one should use the word "difficult" when talking about getting citizenship when you and your parents dont ever have to have even seen the country