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With #1 Philly should select

Simmons. I was always on the Simmons bandwagon.
46
35%
Simmons. I wasn't sure before, but I am now.
35
27%
Simmons. I was on the Ingram bandwagon, but have switched.
14
11%
Simmons. But I am still not totally sure.
10
8%
Entirely undecided still.
3
2%
Ingram. But I am still not totally sure.
7
5%
Ingram. I was on the Simmons bandwagon, but have switched.
5
4%
Ingram. I wasn't sure before, but I am now.
2
2%
Ingram. I was always on the Ingram bandwagon.
7
5%
Other: _________
1
1%
 
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Re: Re: Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#181 » by XtremeDunkz » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:15 am

76ciology wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I don't know what is going to surprise people more: the fact that Ben Simmons is not a big or the fact that he's a damn good defender.

Either way, I'll be looking forward to these statements in next year's game thread:

"Wait a second, I thought Ben Simmons was Julius Randle. I can't believe he's operating from the perimeter like a typical SF!"

"Damn, Ben Simmons with another steal. But those handful of 8 second clips lead me to believe he was a matador!"


Yup, wasn't sold that he can play SF until I watched tapes of his games pre-LSU.


LSU was just a terrible decision all around.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#182 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:28 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:Usually do my rounds on the other team's forums and supposedly Ingram didn't impress portions of the Lakers' staff with his range or skills. It was only a single work out so its not as if it matters and really they'd be drafting him for what he could eventually be, but I thought that was interesting.

Hopefully we'll hear about how he does for us, too.

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Re: Re: Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#183 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:32 am

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76ciology wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I don't know what is going to surprise people more: the fact that Ben Simmons is not a big or the fact that he's a damn good defender.

Either way, I'll be looking forward to these statements in next year's game thread:

"Wait a second, I thought Ben Simmons was Julius Randle. I can't believe he's operating from the perimeter like a typical SF!"

"Damn, Ben Simmons with another steal. But those handful of 8 second clips lead me to believe he was a matador!"


Yup, wasn't sold that he can play SF until I watched tapes of his games pre-LSU.


LSU was just a terrible decision all around.


Seems like the coach misused him on halfcourt setting for some stretch and he just never wanted to play at LSU.
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Re: Re: Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#184 » by the_process » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:08 am

76ciology wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Yup, wasn't sold that he can play SF until I watched tapes of his games pre-LSU.


LSU was just a terrible decision all around.


Seems like the coach misused him on halfcourt setting for some stretch and he just never wanted to play at LSU.


If this is true, and Simmons will be a 3... is it the opinion of the board that he can play with Saric, or that they need to get a purer shooter at the 4? Because if he can play with Saric, Okafor is definitely the odd man out.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#185 » by tk76 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:23 am

Saric has been a 50/40/90 guy (55/40/94 to be exact) over the past year (one of only 4 guys in Euroleague.) And closer to 50/50/90 over his last 20 games. I'm sure he'll need a while to adapt to the NBA and the longer 3pt line... but I think his shooting will be sufficient as long as Simmons can shoot at least a little bit.
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Re: Re: Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#186 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:45 am

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76ciology wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:
LSU was just a terrible decision all around.


Seems like the coach misused him on halfcourt setting for some stretch and he just never wanted to play at LSU.


If this is true, and Simmons will be a 3... is it the opinion of the board that he can play with Saric, or that they need to get a purer shooter at the 4? Because if he can play with Saric, Okafor is definitely the odd man out.


I still believe building a competitive team nowadays revolves around the concept of stacking great scorers with complimentary players that can collectively play good team defense. You need great offensive firepower to be run with the big boys while defense nowadays is more of a collective game with heavy on rotations+challenging shot efficiency. Focusing too much on chemistry over talent would lead you to second tier teams like the Celtics or Hawks. The great coaches are there to implement the right system for the talent to work. Such were the case when Spurs acquired LMA and turned him into a plus defender, Heat's evolution with LBJ, KLove turning into a plus defender prior to finals (looking based on DRPM) or OKC's acquisition of Kanter and Waiters.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#187 » by Unbreakable99 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:48 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:Usually do my rounds on the other team's forums/boards and supposedly Ingram didn't impress portions of the Lakers' staff with his range or skills. It was only a single work out so its not as if it matters and really they'd be drafting him for what he could eventually be, but I thought that was interesting.

Hopefully we'll hear about how he does for us, too.


Do you have a link of where they say this?
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#188 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:53 am

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CoreyGallagher wrote:Usually do my rounds on the other team's forums/boards and supposedly Ingram didn't impress portions of the Lakers' staff with his range or skills. It was only a single work out so its not as if it matters and really they'd be drafting him for what he could eventually be, but I thought that was interesting.

Hopefully we'll hear about how he does for us, too.


Do you have a link of where they say this?


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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#189 » by CoreyGallagher » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:55 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Do you have a link of where they say this?

Posted on the Lakers' board, he PM'd a few posters there his source upon request. Based on their reaction to the message and what was posted it seems there's some skepticism, but possible legitimacy to it.

I didn't want to quote the original post to not bring unsolicited attention to it, but that doesn't seem to have worked lol.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#190 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:57 am

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Unbreakable99 wrote:Do you have a link of where they say this?

Posted on the Lakers' board, he PM'd a few posters there his source. Based on their reaction and what was posted it seems there's some skepticism, but possible legitimacy to it.

I didn't want to quote the original post to not bring unsolicited attention to it, but that doesn't seem to have worked lol.


DOn't have an insider so I wasn't able to read this content. but it might have some legs..

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16084867/chad-ford-latest-intel-brandon-ingram-jamal-murray-ben-simmons-more-2016-nba-draft
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#191 » by Unbreakable99 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:59 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Do you have a link of where they say this?

Posted on the Lakers' board, he PM'd a few posters there his source upon request. Based on their reaction to the message and what was posted it seems there's some skepticism, but possible legitimacy to it.

I didn't want to quote the original post to not bring unsolicited attention to it, but that doesn't seem to have worked lol.


A poster on the lakers board has a source within the lakers organization?
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#192 » by CoreyGallagher » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:03 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:A poster on the lakers board has a source within the lakers organization?

Idk, he didn't privately message me. I don't like discussing other forum's/board's discussions which is why I just alluded to it, suggest reading it for yourself.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#193 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:12 am

76ciology wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Do you have a link of where they say this?

Posted on the Lakers' board, he PM'd a few posters there his source. Based on their reaction and what was posted it seems there's some skepticism, but possible legitimacy to it.

I didn't want to quote the original post to not bring unsolicited attention to it, but that doesn't seem to have worked lol.


DOn't have an insider so I wasn't able to read this content. but it might have some legs..

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16084867/chad-ford-latest-intel-brandon-ingram-jamal-murray-ben-simmons-more-2016-nba-draft


Here are some of the quotes I've been given this week:
"The Lakers should take Marquese Chriss at No. 2."
First Kevin Pelton says the Lakers should take Dragan Bender at No. 2. Now this?
Chriss was at No. 8 on our Big Board for quite a while, and moved up to No. 6 in our latest Big Board. We are currently projecting him to go No. 4 to the Suns in our latest mock draft.
But No. 2? Over Brandon Ingram? Is the hype going overboard?
Chriss' elite athleticism, combined with size, length and the ability to both stretch the floor and protect the rim make him a unique prospect. Few players have a similar combination of physical tools and basketball skills.
In the past few weeks I've heard comparisons to Shawn Marion and Shawn Kemp. As we've been saying in this space for a while, he has highest ceiling in the draft after Ben Simmons and Ingram.
But does he have a higher ceiling than Ingram? Perhaps. He's a better athlete, and given his body type, he might be a better defender (if he can learn how to stay out of foul trouble).
That said, he's not the shooter Ingram is and his floor is also much lower. Ingram is more of a sure thing. Chriss is much more raw, and while he is clearly competitive, his decision-making on the court is a lot further behind compared to Ingram.
Talking to Lakers sources, I think Ingram is the pick for L.A. at No. 2. He has similar upside to Chriss without the risks.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#194 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:05 am

Say Chad Ford's report is true..

1.) simmons
2-4.) Ingram, chriss and Bender
5-6) Dunn or Murray

Should be good news for us if we opt for both those guards. No need to buy high at 3-4th spot. Minnesota and NoH don't need PGs.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#195 » by eagereyez » Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:01 am

76ciology wrote:Undecided.

Ingram, because his strengths are highly valued in the league.

On offense, he is a good transition player and he is a triple threat on halfcourt with his ability to shoot from 3, drive with his long strides and dish. 40% of his offense comes from guard duties, that is PnR, Iso, transition and handoffs. He is the 3rd best catch and shoot player in the draft behind Murray and Hield. He is tough to stop at the upper left arc, where he shoots 50+% on 3, 40+% on mid range or he can score around the rim with his 9'3" reach and eventually added strength.

On defense, he has the tools to be an elite defender. It's tough NOT to be a good defender in the league when you have elite length and mobility. Defense nowadays is more on rotations and rim protection than individual defense. Avery Bradley has a -1.24 DRPM, almost the same DRPM with Okafor. Wiggins, a known good individual defender by eyetest peeps, also has poor defensive metrics. FWIW, Jah is also a good individual defender limiting his man -6% lower than average FG% when he is defending him at 6-10ft.

Simmons, because he can be a superstar wing if he can slide down to SF and eventually shoot from the outside.

I don't like the PF version of Simmons. Generally, star wings have more impact than star PFs. Letting him play PF would be a big waste of his talent. I don't want Simmons to play LSU halfcourt offense of being a roll man and post player. He is undersized at PF. You won't like him on defense at PF.

I want Simmons to be a ball dominant playmaker from perimeter. I want him at SF because I've seen tapes of him and saw how quick he is. I've seen him thrive playing alongside two bigs in Nike hoops summit. Chad Ford reported that he is working on his shot and has a very improved physique.

I don't want him to be Draymond Green or Blake Griffin. I want him to be in the same F'NG echelon with LEBRON, KAWHI AND KD.

Well after 100+ pages on this topic, we moved you from firmly pro Ingram to Undecided. Lol. With that said, I was originally in the Ingram camp but switched to Simmons sometime before the lottery. I do believe that shooters are more important in this league, which is why I'd take pretty much anyone who can shoot over Kris Dunn. However, Simmons is just a tier above Ingram as far as prospects go. I could also see him playing SF the same way Giannis does, who also happens to be a poor shooter. I'd be pretty stoked to see a lineup of Baldwin, Hield, Simmons, Saric, Embiid.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#196 » by Kobblehead » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:15 pm

Not surprising that Ingram isn't impressing teams in his workout. He shouldn't even be in this draft. He should be at Duke gearing up for his sophomore season, like most other prospects that had underwhelming freshman campaigns.
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Post#197 » by Negrodamus » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:24 pm

I can only hope the lakers would be that dumb to let him drop. Definitely hope we do make that trade for 3 in that case.
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Post#198 » by Sixerscan » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:26 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I can only hope the lakers would be that dumb to let him drop. Definitely hope we do make that trade for 3 in that case.

Well then you're running a risk of him becoming a Celtic. Would definitely rather have Boston have to pick the best of the lower prospects.

No way the lakers are this dumb.
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Re: Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll 

Post#199 » by Sixerscan » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:27 pm

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Unbreakable99 wrote:A poster on the lakers board has a source within the lakers organization?

Idk, he didn't privately message me. I don't like discussing other forum's/board's discussions which is why I just alluded to it, suggest reading it for yourself.

Lol sounds like the guy wants attention.
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Post#200 » by joyeuxnoel » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:00 pm

Chad Ford's workout confidential for Ben Simmons
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Ben Simmons, F, Fr., LSU

Simmons has remained very quiet since he played his last game at LSU three months ago.

Shortly after his season ended, he packed up, signed with agent Rich Paul and moved to Cleveland to prepare for the draft. He didn't show up at the combine and even declined an invitation to attend the lottery selection.

Some have read Simmons' reluctance to interact with teams and the media as antisocial or even arrogant. But after watching him in Cleveland last week, I don't think that assessment is fair. Instead, Simmons appears to be incredibly focused on his NBA career.

His routine is the same every day. He gets up in the morning and heads to the gym, where he's spending time putting up shots, doing ball-handling drills, working on his transition game and change of pace -- the whole works.

The workout I saw in Cleveland looked like the drills most teams put guards through. That Simmons looked comfortable in that setting explains his appeal as the No. 1 pick in the draft. Guys who are 6-foot-10, 240 pounds, move as effortlessly as he does on the court and are as comfortable as he is with the ball just don't come along ... really, ever.

Simmons' jump shot has been the major source of concern about his game. But the indications are, while he's no Kevin Durant, his jumper is not broken.

He shot just three 3s all season at LSU. I saw him get up roughly 100 NBA 3s in the workout. His outside shot is getting better -- or maybe it was solid all along, and he just seldom used it.

In college, he could get to the rim almost at will. He knows that in the NBA he's going to have to force defenses to guard him on the perimeter. It's an area he needs to continue to work on, but it was hard -- in this setting, at least -- to be overly concerned about it, especially given all the other skills he brings to the table.

"The one thing that almost always gets better from college to the pros is a guy's jumper," one NBA GM told me Tuesday. "It's a fixable problem, and frankly, I'm not sure how much of a problem it really is. LeBron [James] couldn't shoot when he came out. Lots of guys couldn't. They get better."

After the morning gym workout, Simmons headed to the weight room, primarily to work on his core and do pool workouts. He has added muscle, and his body is lean, chiseled and explosive.

Then he was back in the gym in the afternoon -- and one more time at night. Three-a-days for the first month, then two-a-days the past month. On the weekends, he's got yoga, boxing and Pilates for balance and focus.

Simmons' work ethic the past two months has been extraordinary. It's a counter-narrative to whispers in the media that Simmons didn't care at LSU, isn't competitive or doesn't want it badly enough. Everything I saw on the court looked like a player who doesn't just want to be the No. 1 pick -- he wants to be great.

"Being the No. 1 guy, they're going to put that target on your back," Simmons said. "But you've got to be prepared for it. It comes with the territory. ... There's always going to be talk about who should be 1 or 2 in the draft. But my focus is just getting ready for the next level. I'm not worried who goes where."

Simmons seems unconcerned about where he goes. His agent has yet to commit to his working out anywhere, including Philadelphia and Los Angeles. It likely won't matter. Sources say the Sixers are strongly leaning toward taking Simmons No. 1. If they don't, the Lakers will jump on him at No. 2.

But Simmons is concerned about being ready for his first real game in October. That's the difference. While most prospects are trying to get the job, Simmons is already working on getting the promotion.

"It's an 82-game season. You have to prepare for that," he said. "I'm worried about playing against Paul George, Kevin Durant and LeBron James next season. Once you get drafted, you're at the bottom. You have to start all over again. People don't care where you were drafted. They just care whether you can play.

"This is my job now. This is the main focus for me. I have to come in every day and put the work in. This is a great job. I love doing it. Every day, the goal is to get better."
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