Mavs 2016 Offseason Discussion

[Dirk]

Just another option for us this off-season.

Joakim Noah has told teammates he’s done with the Bulls
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/joakim-noah-has-told-teammates-hes-done-with-the-bulls/

He is only of interest if it's on a short term deal.

I am interested in 6M, 4 years' deal with team option by the end of 2nd year.

He'll easily get 10-12 million. Just think of Lopez, Chandler, Asik among others.

[Darren]

He is only of interest if it's on a short term deal.

I am interested in 6M, 4 years' deal with team option by the end of 2nd year.

He'll easily get 10-12 million. Just think of Lopez, Chandler, Asik among others.

He shoots 20-30% from the FG%. And his number of blocks have dropped tremendously. I think he's closer to Brandan Wright than Tyson Chandler. Both Lopez and Asik are RFA by the time. I don't think Noah can get anywhere close to that number. I suspect his pay level would be equivalent to Zaza. Maybe I underestimate his market price a bit but I don't think he gets flat contract despite these numbers.

[Lord Cuban]

The Mavericks hope to improve at center, so it’s likely that free agent Zaza Pachulia will wind up with another team, writes Eddie Sefko of The Dallas Morning News. Pachulia was a pleasant surprise after Dallas acquired him from the Bucks last summer in exchange for a second-round draft pick. He started 69 games and averaged close to a double-double with 8.6 points and 9.4 rebounds per night. The Mavs made a strong play for DeAndre Jordan last summer and are expected to chase free agent centers again. If they get one, they may not be able to afford to keep Pachulia as a backup.

Veteran Charlie Villanueva may also be leaving Dallas after a down shooting season, Sefko writes in a separate piece. Normally an effective stretch four, Villanueva connected on just 27% of his 172 3-point attempts this season. He is only 32, so there’s still a chance he’ll bounce back, but Sefko expects it to be with another organization.

The players the Mavericks target in free agency will provide a clue on the direction the franchise is taking, Sefko writes in a question-and-answer column. The writer says the Lakers’ Jordan Clarkson would be a nice pickup at point guard, but Dallas may not want to live with his mistakes while giving him time to develop. Sefko thinks the Mavericks will pursue veteran free agents who can help them win right away.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/05/southwest-notes-bickerstaff-fizdale-pachulia-mavericks.html

[Darren]

Maybe there's the actual plan of the Mavs

1.Trade Wes Matthews and J J Barea to Kings for Kosta Koufos and Ben McLemore
2.Trade Devin Harris, 46 pick and a future second to Bulls for Derrick Rose
3. Sign Dwayne Wade who seems to be the odd man out in Miami.
4. Use this as a strategy to pry Lebron to the West. If not, they can still re-sign Parsons.
5. Pick an undrafted undersized C like Shawn Lang
6. Re-sign Deron Williams with backup money.
7. Sign a young true PG and young combo SG in Frazier and Curry.
8. Match Powell's offer.
9. Leave one roster spot opened.


C - Salah Merji / Kosta Koufos / JaVale McGee
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Dwight Powell / Shawn Lang
SF - Chandler Parsons or Lebron James / Justin Anderson
SG - Dwayne Wade / Ben MeLemore / Seth Curry
PG - Derrick Rose / Deron Williams / Tim Frazier

That's essentially two perimeter shooting bigs (Dirk and Parsons), one dunking threat in pick-n-roll situation, two elite slashers (Wade and Rose). In this case, we keep Powell who can definitely succeed with his foot speed. And we re-sign DWill who can slower the tempo and make open 3s. Frazier can be the starting PG when Rose goes down. Seth Curry can fill a pure shooter role. Parsons will be moved to 4th spot in post-Dirk era with Powell in 5th spot. That's not bad as a plan. Dirk may not even need to opt out to take less if I count it right.

[arkuo]

Darren, it has been proven that Dirk needs to be surrounded with athleticism to be effective at PF. Tyson and Marion both provided that during our cinderella run to the finals. In that lineup, there's a very slim chance of us winning anything with Dirk flanked by Chandler and Salah. Our whole front court would have like an 8 inch vertical leap, combined.

[Darren]

Darren, it has been proven that Dirk needs to be surrounded with athleticism to be effective at PF. Tyson and Marion both provided that during our cinderella run to the finals. In that lineup, there's a very slim chance of us winning anything with Dirk flanked by Chandler and Salah. Our whole front court would have like an 8 inch vertical leap, combined.

Okay, I am not a fan of Parsons at all. But who can we get now? If we get Lebron, Dirk can still opt out to free up space for Joakim Noah. But I wonder if it's enough athleticism to succeed. But let's be real, we only have moderate success with Tyson Chandler and Shawn Marion in their prime. Brandan Wright and Al-fariouq Aminu is closed. But they ain't putting us over the top. It's the challenges we have to face. Of course, Cuban can always open his pulses to buy a lot of draft picks.

[ChokeFasncists]

I think we need a slashing PG to create spaces for shooters and Howard. Unfortunately, not many are available with a versatile skillsets. The Mavs is one of the few team that need a PG that can score at will in the paint.

Sounds like something Jeremy Lin could do. It would be especially good if Howard is willing to do PnR. At this stage of his career, with only a few teams willing to pay him, this just might happen. Lin is very good friend with Parsons.

Dwight
Dirk
Parsons
Matthews
Lin

Could be a contender if Dwight's willing to PnR and everyone's healthy.

But curious, a question to everyone on our board, who would be your ideal attainable PG this offseason for the Mavs?

Lin is pretty much attainable, 10-12 mil? Let's hope Dwight takes a less than max contract, totally possible.

Howard and DWill is most likely, and I am happy with that to be honest. I'd prefer Jeremy Lin (I think Carlisle would work wonders with him), but I don't see it happening.

Agreed that Carlisle and him would be awesome. Why won't it happen tho?

Jeremy Lin (he'll get better offer elsewhere; and he jumped the ship last time)
16.1 PPG, 4.1 APG, 1.0 SPG per 36MIN

I heard rumors that last time the Mavs lowered the offer after the DJ debacle? Friggin' DAJ......
(lucky Lin has improved quite a bit this year, especially defensively, handling the ball and cutting without the ball.)

Why can't the Mavs make a good offer to him this summer?

[2011Champs]

If the Mavs lowered the offer to Lin it was probably to max out Wesley Matthews just for the hell of it. I think Lin would fit nicely in Dallas however if he comes to Dallas it will be when he is like 35-36 yrs old and can be had for vet minimum, lol. That's how Dallas rolls.

[Hadley]

I hope not Lin, he is the type of PG who the Mavs would overpay. I'd rather overpay a younger prospect or keep DWill for a few Years.

[2011Champs]

I hope not Lin, he is the type of PG who the Mavs would overpay. I'd rather overpay a younger prospect or keep DWill for a few Years.

I highly doubt Dallas would go after Lin unless at a bargain salary. However, I have a bad bad feeling Dallas will way, way, way overpay Chandler Parsons.

[bran muffin]

Sounds like something Jeremy Lin could do. It would be especially good if Howard is willing to do PnR. At this stage of his career, with only a few teams willing to pay him, this just might happen. Lin is very good friend with Parsons.

Dwight
Dirk
Parsons
Matthews
Lin

So basically the 2012 Rockets decided to relocate to Dallas, but didn't tell Harden about it. It'd be hilarious. And it would definitely make for some very interesting Mavs-Rockets games. Lin seems like a good fit for Rick's system. And a lot of people seem to have forgotten that it was the Mavs that gave Lin his big break in the NBA, before the Knicks stole him.

Mike Conley will probably get a $26M max deal this summer. If the Mavs can sign both Parsons and Lin together for what it would've cost to sign Conley alone ($26M), I'd be okay with it.

[ChokeFasncists]

If the Mavs lowered the offer to Lin it was probably to max out Wesley Matthews just for the hell of it.

That's possible. OTOH, it kinda made sense cuz Lin was real good at PnR with an athletic big like DAJ. Lin and Zaza wouldn't make much sense......

I think Lin would fit nicely in Dallas however if he comes to Dallas it will be when he is like 35-36 yrs old and can be had for vet minimum, lol. That's how Dallas rolls.

~lol~ Is that a dig on the FO?

I hope not Lin, he is the type of PG who the Mavs would overpay. I'd rather overpay a younger prospect or keep DWill for a few Years.

Well, the market seems to say around 10-12 mil. It's not that bad, for a guy capable of 17/7.

Young prospect wouldn't be good for Dirk and DWill is a big health risk apparently.

Sounds like something Jeremy Lin could do. It would be especially good if Howard is willing to do PnR. At this stage of his career, with only a few teams willing to pay him, this just might happen. Lin is very good friend with Parsons.

Dwight
Dirk
Parsons
Matthews
Lin

So basically the 2012 Rockets decided to relocate to Dallas, but didn't tell Harden about it. It'd be hilarious. And it would definitely make for some very interesting Mavs-Rockets games. Lin seems like a good fit for Rick's system. And a lot of people seem to have forgotten that it was the Mavs that gave Lin his big break in the NBA, before the Knicks stole him.

~lol~

Harden was seriously spoiled, it's too bad. And Morey screwed up with the Parsons FA. That team had some serious promise, definitely could have been a contender had Harden played D and shared the ball. Well, it'd be even better with Dirk and Matthews; an improved Lin, a more mature D12 and a healthy Parsons!

Mike Conley will probably get a $26M max deal this summer. If the Mavs can sign both Parsons and Lin together for what it would've cost to sign Conley alone ($26M), I'd be okay with it.

TBH, Lin isn't that far from Conley. If Rick can help him shore up his weaknesses of inconsistency and TOs, watch out!

OTOH, I can see all three of them take a paycut if it were to happen. (Lin/Parsons/D12)

[daoneandonly]

I like Lin as a player and the person he seems to be, but if we can somehow get Conley, you take him over Lin 10 times out of 10. We do not need a reincarnation of the Rockets, especially without that Rockets' best player. Howard is a shell of his former self and Parsons is a never was and never will be.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm hoping this board doesn't get all worked up about Cuban following Whiteside on twitter....

[Devassa]

I'm hoping this board doesn't get all worked up about Cuban following Whiteside on twitter....

Better than him following Harrison Barnes on twitter

[bran muffin]

I'm hoping this board doesn't get all worked up about Cuban following Whiteside on twitter....

Whiteside maxes out at only $21.6M this summer. The Heat will obviously offer him at least that much. I don't see Whiteside switching teams when there's no financial incentive for him to do so.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm hoping this board doesn't get all worked up about Cuban following Whiteside on twitter....

Whiteside maxes out at only $21.6M this summer. The Heat will obviously offer him at least that much. I don't see Whiteside switching teams when there's no financial incentive for him to do so.

I agree he likely stays, but they also have to pay Wade and figure out how to replace Deng and Joe Johnson. Reports are that Riley is trying to get Whiteside to take less than the max. Which he shouldn't do. Dallas has no shot at him and shouldn't waste the time, but other franchises should absolutely go for him.

[daoneandonly]

Doesn't hurt to give Whiteside's people a call, unlikely as it is. I've made it clear that i think our #1 target should be Conley, though I know he too is a long shot. The you look to address the C situation, heck with Toronto's love for Biyombo, maybe JV is expendable. Though we have nothign for him, best I could think of was to send them their home grown Dwight Powell in a S&T, if I understand the CBA correctly, that should give them more money to spend on Bismack cause Powell won't make as much as JV is getting now.

[ChokeFasncists]

I like Lin as a player and the person he seems to be, but if we can somehow get Conley, you take him over Lin 10 times out of 10.

Conley is undoubtedly the better player at this point. However, the price is steep. Who to get at the SF and C position with limited fund? He's the most sought after PG on the market, won't be easy to get.

We do not need a reincarnation of the Rockets, especially without that Rockets' best player. Howard is a shell of his former self and Parsons is a never was and never will be.

The former Rockets trio tho, are very realistically within grab. Dwight's not what he was but he can still average 18/12/2, that's not bad. I'd imagine he'd be extremely motivated to do well after all that. Perhaps he'll take a smaller 1+1? Whiteside would be great but he's still developing and would be tough to get. Dwight and Dirk make more sense with their age.

[daoneandonly]

I like Lin as a player and the person he seems to be, but if we can somehow get Conley, you take him over Lin 10 times out of 10.

Conley is undoubtedly the better player at this point. However, the price is steep. Who to get at the SF and C position with limited fund? He's the most sought after PG on the market, won't be easy to get.

We do not need a reincarnation of the Rockets, especially without that Rockets' best player. Howard is a shell of his former self and Parsons is a never was and never will be.

The former Rockets trio tho, are very realistically within grab. Dwight's not what he was but he can still average 18/12/2, that's not bad. I'd imagine he'd be extremely motivated to do well after all that. Perhaps he'll take a smaller 1+1? Whiteside would be great but he's still developing and would be tough to get. Dwight and Dirk make more sense with their age.

I think though that are realistically attainable because no one else will give them big contracts, because they are just not that good. Honestly between the 3 the only one I'd have a slight interest in would be Lin.