Random Rumor Thread: Post em here

[patman52]

It really doesn't. And I wouldn't roll the dice on that.

It really does, unless you are telling me Saric has more value than Bradley despite having never played a game in the NBA and that Noel has more value than the third pick given Phillys roster composition and Noel's salary situation. I consider the 3 to be > Noel and Bradley > Saric so it all really boils down to gambling on the lakers who have openly admitted their tank is over

The Lakers have swung and missed in free agency twice already. They didn't go into this with the expectation of staying tanked.

And I don't know that I'd put the 3 over Noel in this draft. Bradley's better than Saric right now, but for a team on Philly's timetable it makes little sense to trade for Bradley when you can just work with the assets you have. By the time they need a guy like Bradley they'll have their roster developed.

That's part of the reason Noel is being shopped—he doesn't fit the timetable.

You would not value the 3rd pick over a player that will be paid 18-20 mill to be your back up center one year from today. Please explain the logic you used to arrive at this conclusion.

[BullyKing]

It really does, unless you are telling me Saric has more value than Bradley despite having never played a game in the NBA and that Noel has more value than the third pick given Phillys roster composition and Noel's salary situation. I consider the 3 to be > Noel and Bradley > Saric so it all really boils down to gambling on the lakers who have openly admitted their tank is over

The Lakers have swung and missed in free agency twice already. They didn't go into this with the expectation of staying tanked.

And I don't know that I'd put the 3 over Noel in this draft. Bradley's better than Saric right now, but for a team on Philly's timetable it makes little sense to trade for Bradley when you can just work with the assets you have. By the time they need a guy like Bradley they'll have their roster developed.

That's part of the reason Noel is being shopped—he doesn't fit the timetable.

You would not value the 3rd pick over a player that will be paid 18-20 mill to be your back up center one year from today. Please explain the logic you used to arrive at this conclusion.

How many times must this be explained - trading Noel to Boston or paying him 20million a year to be a backup are not the only two options.

[Texas Chuck]

I would move Hayward for the 3rd pick. Maybe thats just me.

I would not

[Texas Chuck]

Can we please take the Boston vs Philly argument somewhere else? I'll be happy to create a thread on this board even for these arguments to continue, but people should be able to come here to see rumors and comment on them without having to wade through this here---people know when they open one of the million trade threads involving these teams that those agendas will continue to be pushed and they can simply avoid them.

And part of me wants to tell everyone to knock off the constant attacks on Ainge as being a bit baiting, but sadly we have a couple Celtics fans who are instigating most of that. But let's just say that warnings will potentially be issued and even timeouts if we have posters who can't stop derailing threads like this.

And I really really really really don't want to have to do that with the draft upon us and everyone wanting to discuss what's going on. So please put your agendas away, stay on topic, and remember you don't have to attack another team, their GM, their assets, etc.. in order to hype your own.

Thanks and let's have a great draft season.

Chuck

[patman52]

Marc Stein is reporting that Okafor/Noel is part of a package for the 3 pick. I value both the same as potential Celtics. Noel fits better, and would be more enticing as a teammate in an attempt to land Horford. But he will require up to 20% of next year's cap. Being a local kid I have less concern on him bolting than I do most "expirings" Okafor certainly has the higher upside IMO.

If Saric is part of the package coming back, what value the celtics assign to him will be heavily weighed if he is coming this year or next. If he is coming this year, I would put his value at around 10 and Noel's around 7. (please bear in mind only one year of control) So I think the 3 + 16 is a close approximation of balance. Or if Philly think the value for their pieces is greater add Hunter to the 16th. If the Celts need value, they can trade one of the 31/35 for one of the 24/26 picks. a liitle more 31 to 26, a lot more 35-24.

[yosemiteben]

@ESPNSteinLine 16m
Free Agency Rumble: Orlando, Detroit and the Lakers are all among the teams that intend to make a run at Atlanta big man Al Horford.

[Texas Chuck]

@ESPNSteinLine 16m
Free Agency Rumble: Orlando, Detroit and the Lakers are all among the teams that intend to make a run at Atlanta big man Al Horford.

Detroit is a name I hadn't heard before, but I do like the fit for them.

[LofJ]

I think it's almost a lock that Teague will be traded on draft night. The most likely destination is Utah for the 12th pick.

[yosemiteben]

@ESPNSteinLine 16m
Free Agency Rumble: Orlando, Detroit and the Lakers are all among the teams that intend to make a run at Atlanta big man Al Horford.

Detroit is a name I hadn't heard before, but I do like the fit for them.

Yeah, my thought too. Horford isn't a true SVG stretch PF, but he'll have the ball in his hands a lot more when paired with Drummond instead of Millsap, and rebounding won't be an issue.

I know he can pop a three from time to time, but are there really not any potential spacing issues there?

[Smitty731]

@ESPNSteinLine 16m
Free Agency Rumble: Orlando, Detroit and the Lakers are all among the teams that intend to make a run at Atlanta big man Al Horford.

Detroit is a name I hadn't heard before, but I do like the fit for them.

It would be a bit of a departure from what SVG has always said. He wants his 3 and 4 to be interchangeable. His best Orlando teams had that with Lewis and Turkoglu and now he has it again with Harris and Morris. I like the fit as well, just a bit of a change.

The challenge is that to get to the cap space required, they would have to dump all their FAs not named Drummond, waive all the partial/non-guaranteed guys, and still move someone else. Not as easy as it would seem. That $5.4 million hit for Josh Smith is looking worse by the day.

[BullyKing]

Not a rumor per se but might have some impact on draft happenings.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/brianseltzer/status/745597100897927168[/tweet]

[BullyKing]

@ESPNSteinLine 16m
Free Agency Rumble: Orlando, Detroit and the Lakers are all among the teams that intend to make a run at Atlanta big man Al Horford.

Detroit is a name I hadn't heard before, but I do like the fit for them.

The challenge is that to get to the cap space required, they would have to dump all their FAs not named Drummond, waive all the partial/non-guaranteed guys, and still move someone else. Not as easy as it would seem. That $5.4 million hit for Josh Smith is looking worse by the day.

But that is really just Meeks though right? I guess the real problem is that they would be pretty low on depth throughout.

[patman52]

The Lakers have swung and missed in free agency twice already. They didn't go into this with the expectation of staying tanked.

And I don't know that I'd put the 3 over Noel in this draft. Bradley's better than Saric right now, but for a team on Philly's timetable it makes little sense to trade for Bradley when you can just work with the assets you have. By the time they need a guy like Bradley they'll have their roster developed.

That's part of the reason Noel is being shopped—he doesn't fit the timetable.

You would not value the 3rd pick over a player that will be paid 18-20 mill to be your back up center one year from today. Please explain the logic you used to arrive at this conclusion.

How many times must this be explained - trading Noel to Boston or paying him 20million a year to be a backup are not the only two options.

I understand that, they could trade Noel somewhere else or they could trade Okafor somewhere else. But why do you think another team would value them higher than the celts do that have a need and picks/players to give. I have not heard any other places for each to go with potential values either in picks or players coming back. I am dismissing the Teague/Noel deal that had Covington included.

I understand that sometimes trades come out of the blue, but all we hear from all sourcesis that the Celts can't land a star and the 6ers can't find a taker.

[jazzfan1971]

"Hayward has expressed his unhappiness in Utah and the Jazz are attempting to accommodate him per league sources..."
http://www.celticslife.com/2016/06/report-gordon-hayward-has-become.html

If he's expressed his unhappiness then it's time to move him. I was hoping he was happy playing here and would be a Jazz man for life, but, if he wants out, you gotta get what you can get for him now and move on.

The thing for me is that I don't like this draft after the first 2 picks. So, if I'm the Jazz I'm looking to get a player in return instead. That #12 plus Hayward for Butler proposal is sounding good bout now. (trade board proposal)

[DK-All Day]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hoopscritic/status/745601680566272000[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hoopscritic/status/745601461099307008[/tweet]

[goober]

*if* Hayward was truly unhappy (I don't buy it, never heard of the dude reporting it) I'd much rather do a deal involving Crowder and more value than trade him for 3.

[HartfordWhalers]

"Hayward has expressed his unhappiness in Utah and the Jazz are attempting to accommodate him per league sources..."
http://www.celticslife.com/2016/06/report-gordon-hayward-has-become.html

If he's expressed his unhappiness then it's time to move him. I was hoping he was happy playing here and would be a Jazz man for life, but, if he wants out, you gotta get what you can get for him now and move on.

The thing for me is that I don't like this draft after the first 2 picks. So, if I'm the Jazz I'm looking to get a player in return instead. That #12 plus Hayward for Butler proposal is sounding good bout now. (trade board proposal)

It is from hoopscritic:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/hoopscritic/status/745601461099307008[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/hoopscritic/status/745601680566272000[/tweet]


Just said this elsewhere but, he's not a good source at all. He seems very comfortable running stuff that no one ever corroborates and furthermore sometimes is entirely refuted by everyone, but he ran it so if something big happens he is a guy with a great early scoop (cause who remembers the 50 misses when you get 1 grand slam?)

Russell being n the trade block at the trade deadline (https://twitter.com/hoopscritic/status/692806041176768515 )
Conley to Detroit at the trade deadline was the best:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/johnhollinger/status/700041035846676481[/tweet]
There was a lot of Philly stuff that I'm not interested in getting back into where he was pretty far from everyone else on what happened.
etc.

[pacers33granger]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hoopscritic/status/745601680566272000[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hoopscritic/status/745601461099307008[/tweet]

I don't buy that for a second. The Jazz are notoriously tight lipped as an organization and we just had reports that said Hayward wasn't for sale at all. Plus this guy is apparently from NJ and has basically nothing else on his Twitter about rumors except retweeting others'.

Either way somebody is clearly making stuff up as it can't be both ways, but I'm sure whoever is wrong will just say their "sources" were wrong.

[The Penguin]

Detroit is a name I hadn't heard before, but I do like the fit for them.

The challenge is that to get to the cap space required, they would have to dump all their FAs not named Drummond, waive all the partial/non-guaranteed guys, and still move someone else. Not as easy as it would seem. That $5.4 million hit for Josh Smith is looking worse by the day.

But that is really just Meeks though right? I guess the real problem is that they would be pretty low on depth throughout.

Meeks & probably Baynes. That's $12 mil between the two of them and more than enough room given the room they already have. They each may be movable as those $6 mil deals might end up looking very reasonable this summer.

I still view Horford as a pipe dream due to the Pistons free agent history, but Horford is very close to Arn Tellem. Stan has stated he wants a bigger 4 to go up against guys like Love, he's already got the "interchangable" 3/4 covered with Tobias & Morris, Horford would be able to play the 4 next to Drummond without sacrificing shooting and saving the banging from playing the 5 while sliding over to the 5 if(when) Drummond's FTs make him unplayable.

[yosemiteben]

Hornets got Hayward to sign an offer sheet last offseason (Jazz matched). Curious if they traded for Batum with the goal of having him play that same role or if the Hornets would be interested in trading for Hayward and playing them together.