Derrick Rose to NY

[NY2TheBay]

When I said explosion, I didn't mean MVP explosion, but pretty damn explosive at times....he does not need to dunk on everyone but my point is, he's still a quick, powerful driver... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aespZdGCsLg

FWIW, the dunks per game stat I dont think is really indicative of where he really is at vertically. I heard Kendall Gill point out that derrick was coasting for awhile last season to make it through the season healthy. He wanted to come into this season after a full offseason of basketball specific training and not rehab to set personal goals (all star etc.). I dont turn my back to the stats but Rose's situation is unique.

If that's true then it's interesting and certainly a wrench in my logic. But stats aside, I watched a lot of Bulls last year and didn't see what I would call explosiveness from D-Rose.

I'm not trying to throw out the stats you pointed out. What I will say is rose is still very much explosive on the floor and he jumps out still on tape. Did he maintain that game in game out, Is a better question. Like Horny said the guy is plenty quick and explosive still. Horny saw him on the floor which supersedes you or I watching on TV. I do have LP and watched some games not a lot like you, though.

[Zooropa]

Can't believe people are complaining about trading Robin Lopez for Derrick Rose. Lol
Like , really?
When did RoLo become Marc Gasol & Derrick Rose become Mardy Collins?
What was RoLo suppose to net us? A late 1st in this past draft to use on a potential bum? Another Grant or Timmy maybe?
Was RoLo suppose to get Russell Westbrook?

RoLo was beyond solid last year. He's a starting-caliber center on an insanely team-friendly deal with the cap spiking. If Marco Belinelli got SAC #22 this year, RoLo could've gotten us something. Ditto for Grant, although in my mind getting rid of him was even crazier.

[NY2TheBay]

Can't believe people are complaining about trading Robin Lopez for Derrick Rose. Lol
Like , really?
When did RoLo become Marc Gasol & Derrick Rose become Mardy Collins?
What was RoLo suppose to net us? A late 1st in this past draft to use on a potential bum? Another Grant or Timmy maybe?
Was RoLo suppose to get Russell Westbrook?

RoLo was beyond solid last year. He's a starting-caliber center on an insanely team-friendly deal with the cap spiking. If Marco Belinelli got SAC #22 this year, RoLo could've gotten us something. Ditto for Grant, although in my mind getting rid of him was even crazier.

Noah on a 2-3 year deal @ 15 mil and I am over Rolo.

Woj's podcast pointed out that Noah is 100% healthy and recovered very well.

[Besart19]

The back-up plan if Durant wont come:

DJ Augustin and Barbosa or Lin could be had for 8-10M combined... other 8-10M for C.Lee, the rest for a all-star center

Then we would have 40 to 60M to spend in 2017 depending on the center's contract

[DowNY]

Can't believe people are complaining about trading Robin Lopez for Derrick Rose. Lol
Like , really?
When did RoLo become Marc Gasol & Derrick Rose become Mardy Collins?
What was RoLo suppose to net us? A late 1st in this past draft to use on a potential bum? Another Grant or Timmy maybe?
Was RoLo suppose to get Russell Westbrook?

RoLo was beyond solid last year. He's a starting-caliber center on an insanely team-friendly deal with the cap spiking. If Marco Belinelli got SAC #22 this year, RoLo could've gotten us something. Ditto for Grant, although in my mind getting rid of him was even crazier.

Rose is a starting caliber PG.

Conley & Rondo were the only starting caliber PGs in free agency.

Horford, Dwight, Whiteside are all starting caliber Centers that are way better than RoLo.
Better stop gaps like Noah & Gasol too.
Easier to find a Center this Free Agency & easier to find a better PG in Free Agency.
We killed 2 birds with 1 stone. Upgraded PG & opened cap to sign an elite PG either way in 2017.

Can't believe you think Robin Lopez, not even Brook Lopez, is a better Center than Rose as a PG.
Rose when healthy is better than half the league's starting PGs.

[Besart19]

Can't believe people are complaining about trading Robin Lopez for Derrick Rose. Lol
Like , really?
When did RoLo become Marc Gasol & Derrick Rose become Mardy Collins?
What was RoLo suppose to net us? A late 1st in this past draft to use on a potential bum? Another Grant or Timmy maybe?
Was RoLo suppose to get Russell Westbrook?

RoLo was beyond solid last year. He's a starting-caliber center on an insanely team-friendly deal with the cap spiking. If Marco Belinelli got SAC #22 this year, RoLo could've gotten us something. Ditto for Grant, although in my mind getting rid of him was even crazier.

Calm down... don't you see you're the only one to oppose the trade here?!

if it wont work out you'd have a high lottery pick and 70M to spend in 2017... Get over it... It's a win-win situation

[NY2TheBay]

Can't believe people are complaining about trading Robin Lopez for Derrick Rose. Lol
Like , really?
When did RoLo become Marc Gasol & Derrick Rose become Mardy Collins?
What was RoLo suppose to net us? A late 1st in this past draft to use on a potential bum? Another Grant or Timmy maybe?
Was RoLo suppose to get Russell Westbrook?

RoLo was beyond solid last year. He's a starting-caliber center on an insanely team-friendly deal with the cap spiking. If Marco Belinelli got SAC #22 this year, RoLo could've gotten us something. Ditto for Grant, although in my mind getting rid of him was even crazier.

Calm down... don't you see you're the only one to oppose the trade here?!

if it wont work out you'd have a high lottery pick and 70M to spend in 2017... Get over it... It's a win-win situation

These Avy's got me all messed up, man. Between this right now and the Napoleon Dynamite running rampant I cant keep up.

[Besart19]

RoLo was beyond solid last year. He's a starting-caliber center on an insanely team-friendly deal with the cap spiking. If Marco Belinelli got SAC #22 this year, RoLo could've gotten us something. Ditto for Grant, although in my mind getting rid of him was even crazier.

Calm down... don't you see you're the only one to oppose the trade here?!

if it wont work out you'd have a high lottery pick and 70M to spend in 2017... Get over it... It's a win-win situation

These Avy's got me all messed up, man. Between this right now and the Napoleon Dynamite running rampant I cant keep up.

[Zooropa]

Can't believe people are complaining about trading Robin Lopez for Derrick Rose. Lol
Like , really?
When did RoLo become Marc Gasol & Derrick Rose become Mardy Collins?
What was RoLo suppose to net us? A late 1st in this past draft to use on a potential bum? Another Grant or Timmy maybe?
Was RoLo suppose to get Russell Westbrook?

RoLo was beyond solid last year. He's a starting-caliber center on an insanely team-friendly deal with the cap spiking. If Marco Belinelli got SAC #22 this year, RoLo could've gotten us something. Ditto for Grant, although in my mind getting rid of him was even crazier.

Rose is a starting caliber PG.

Conley & Rondo were the only starting caliber PGs in free agency.

Horford, Dwight, Whiteside are all starting caliber Centers that are way better than RoLo.
Better stop gaps like Noah & Gasol too.
Easier to find a Center this Free Agency & easier to find a better PG in Free Agency.
We killed 2 birds with 1 stone. Upgraded PG & opened cap to sign an elite PG either way in 2017.

Can't believe you think Robin Lopez, not even Brook Lopez, is a better Center than Rose as a PG.
Rose when healthy is better than half the league's starting PGs.

I'm getting to the agree-to-disagree point of the night. Just a few things to clear up. I never said RoLo is a better center than D-Rose is a point guard (although if I were to do sheer positional rankings, RoLo would be higher than Rose). I said his contract is more team-friendly, and thus valuable. The new max salary will be sky-high, and I have grave questions about maxing any of the players you mentioned (I could be talked into Horford, although he's on the wrong side of 30).

I agree that healthy Rose is better than half the league's starting PG's... and that makes him an average starting point guard.

[DowNY]

Nets
Bulls
Magic
Sixers
Mavs
Nuggets
Rockets
Lakers
Kings (Rondo is a FA & is debatable)
Jazz
Grizzlies (Conley is a FA & is debatable)

These are all the teams that don't have a PG better than Derrick Rose.

The debatable teams/PGs better are:
Hawks (Dennis is going to be their starter going forward)
Celtics (Isiash Thomas)
Heat (Dragic)
Bucks (Greek Freak I assume?)
Wolves (Rubio)
Suns (Bledsoe)

If he's 90% of what he used to be, he's blowing them out the water as well.

[Besart19]

Golden State should trade away Iggy, Barnes and Bogut and go after two cats instead of just Durant

Batum at SF and Horford or Whiteside at C... or at least Gasol

[Zooropa]

Can't believe people are complaining about trading Robin Lopez for Derrick Rose. Lol
Like , really?
When did RoLo become Marc Gasol & Derrick Rose become Mardy Collins?
What was RoLo suppose to net us? A late 1st in this past draft to use on a potential bum? Another Grant or Timmy maybe?
Was RoLo suppose to get Russell Westbrook?

RoLo was beyond solid last year. He's a starting-caliber center on an insanely team-friendly deal with the cap spiking. If Marco Belinelli got SAC #22 this year, RoLo could've gotten us something. Ditto for Grant, although in my mind getting rid of him was even crazier.

Calm down... don't you see you're the only one to oppose the trade here?!

if it wont work out you'd have a high lottery pick and 70M to spend in 2017... Get over it... It's a win-win situation

I'm the only one out of the five people who seem to be awake right now to oppose the trade. Flip through the thread––I'm not alone. But even if I were, my opinions are mine alone and that's what makes debate possible.

I don't know why you're telling me to calm down, when I've been completely calm throughout this discussion. As I said in my last post, I'm at the agree-to-disagree part of the evening because the tone is getting hostile. I don't like the trade, and that's okay.

[Besart19]

This trade is more than OK

Our next great challenge is the free agency

[DowNY]

RoLo was beyond solid last year. He's a starting-caliber center on an insanely team-friendly deal with the cap spiking. If Marco Belinelli got SAC #22 this year, RoLo could've gotten us something. Ditto for Grant, although in my mind getting rid of him was even crazier.

Rose is a starting caliber PG.

Conley & Rondo were the only starting caliber PGs in free agency.

Horford, Dwight, Whiteside are all starting caliber Centers that are way better than RoLo.
Better stop gaps like Noah & Gasol too.
Easier to find a Center this Free Agency & easier to find a better PG in Free Agency.
We killed 2 birds with 1 stone. Upgraded PG & opened cap to sign an elite PG either way in 2017.

Can't believe you think Robin Lopez, not even Brook Lopez, is a better Center than Rose as a PG.
Rose when healthy is better than half the league's starting PGs.

I'm getting to the agree-to-disagree point of the night. Just a few things to clear up. I never said RoLo is a better center than D-Rose is a point guard (although if I were to do sheer positional rankings, RoLo would be higher than Rose). I said his contract is more team-friendly, and thus valuable. The new max salary will be sky-high, and I have grave questions about maxing any of the players you mentioned (I could be talked into Horford, although he's on the wrong side of 30).

I agree that healthy Rose is better than half the league's starting PG's... and that makes him an average starting point guard.

You wouldn't give Whiteside a max?
Ain't his max like $18M or $20M or something because of his bracket?

[Besart19]

we can still get players from team who trying to dump contracts if they are expirings and save the cap space for 2017

Steph Curry folks... he's a UFA next year, too!!

[Zooropa]

Rose is a starting caliber PG.

Conley & Rondo were the only starting caliber PGs in free agency.

Horford, Dwight, Whiteside are all starting caliber Centers that are way better than RoLo.
Better stop gaps like Noah & Gasol too.
Easier to find a Center this Free Agency & easier to find a better PG in Free Agency.
We killed 2 birds with 1 stone. Upgraded PG & opened cap to sign an elite PG either way in 2017.

Can't believe you think Robin Lopez, not even Brook Lopez, is a better Center than Rose as a PG.
Rose when healthy is better than half the league's starting PGs.

I'm getting to the agree-to-disagree point of the night. Just a few things to clear up. I never said RoLo is a better center than D-Rose is a point guard (although if I were to do sheer positional rankings, RoLo would be higher than Rose). I said his contract is more team-friendly, and thus valuable. The new max salary will be sky-high, and I have grave questions about maxing any of the players you mentioned (I could be talked into Horford, although he's on the wrong side of 30).

I agree that healthy Rose is better than half the league's starting PG's... and that makes him an average starting point guard.

You wouldn't give Whiteside a max?
Ain't his max like $18M or $20M or something because of his bracket?

Didn't take his bracket into consideration. That could move the needle for me, although he's still somewhat unproven in my eyes.

[The Force.]

Bulls fan here. Derrick Rose is one of my all time favorite players and as long as he can stay healthy, you guys will absolutely love him in NY. The kid is still very young and was likely playing overly cautious this past season, not to mention reacclimating himself to playing NBA basketball. I still feel like he's got plenty left in the tank and is determined to prove all his doubters wrong.

In a way, I sort of hate that the Bulls traded him before seeing how him and Jimmy would fare with another year under Hoiberg. But at the same time, I get why they made the move and I've accepted it (more or less).

Him and Melo will be a force in the east and frankly, I'm a little scared of the Knicks this year (of a lot depends on how they flesh out the rest of the roster).

Congrats to ya'll for getting Rose and I truly wish nothing but the best for the kid moving forward.

[NY2TheBay]

RoLo was beyond solid last year. He's a starting-caliber center on an insanely team-friendly deal with the cap spiking. If Marco Belinelli got SAC #22 this year, RoLo could've gotten us something. Ditto for Grant, although in my mind getting rid of him was even crazier.

Rose is a starting caliber PG.

Conley & Rondo were the only starting caliber PGs in free agency.

Horford, Dwight, Whiteside are all starting caliber Centers that are way better than RoLo.
Better stop gaps like Noah & Gasol too.
Easier to find a Center this Free Agency & easier to find a better PG in Free Agency.
We killed 2 birds with 1 stone. Upgraded PG & opened cap to sign an elite PG either way in 2017.

Can't believe you think Robin Lopez, not even Brook Lopez, is a better Center than Rose as a PG.
Rose when healthy is better than half the league's starting PGs.

I'm getting to the agree-to-disagree point of the night. Just a few things to clear up. I never said RoLo is a better center than D-Rose is a point guard (although if I were to do sheer positional rankings, RoLo would be higher than Rose). I said his contract is more team-friendly, and thus valuable. The new max salary will be sky-high, and I have grave questions about maxing any of the players you mentioned (I could be talked into Horford, although he's on the wrong side of 30).

I agree that healthy Rose is better than half the league's starting PG's... and that makes him an average starting point guard.

I get your stance on this. And you are not alone with how you feel, I can assure you. This was a risk Phil and co. took, but one that I am excited about. Wasnt happy with throwing in Grant because he would have been a nice backup piece in case this didnt work out but I understand the move.

[Besart19]

Bulls fan here. Derrick Rose is one of my all time favorite players and as long as he can stay healthy, you guys will absolutely love him in NY. The kid is still very young and was likely playing overly cautious this past season, not to mention reacclimating himself to playing NBA basketball. I still feel like he's got plenty left in the tank and is determined to prove all his doubters wrong.

In a way, I sort of hate that the Bulls traded him before seeing how him and Jimmy would fare with another year under Hoiberg. But at the same time, I get why they made the move and I've accepted it (more or less).

Him and Melo will be a force in the east and frankly, I'm a little scared of the Knicks this year (of a lot depends on how they flesh out the rest of the roster).

Congrats to ya'll for getting Rose and I truly wish nothing but the best for the kid moving forward.

what about Holiday?

[WesleyExChiFan]

Bulls beat writer on Rose, regarding the his interactions with the media:

Sam: Those who read me here and elsewhere know I’ve had a great fondness for Rose the player and person. What I appreciated most—even though I cannot ever say we were close as he didn’t have many friends outside the game—was the way not only he handled the brutal series of injuries, but on top of that the doubts about himself and his character, the condemnation of him personally about things he said more than he did. I never once--as I’ve seen many players strike back angrily at anyone in the media or public--despite what at times seemed like obvious attempts to bait him or embarrass and humiliate him for sport seen him respond in kind. I saw this with Sammy Sosa and he retreated completely. Rose never did. He would answer his meanest inquisitors in the media and community with the same respect he showed his most fawning admirers. It’s an admirable trait and showed the true nature of his character advanced from his critics. He was often naïve with the media and an innocent in many ways, really only dedicated to playing basketball.