2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[LyricalRico]

Source tells @MarcJSpearsESPN that Nic Batum will meet with Hornets and Mavs in Dallas and will talk to Knicks, Lakers, Wizards on phone.

wiz at least got a phone call this time!

At least Batum is a much better player than Evan Turner. Problem is - how does he fit - unless the Wiz aren't planning on keeping Beal? And we know the Wiz are planning on keeping Beal.

I'd would expect Otto to be the odd man out in a Batum scenario. Porter for a big would seem like the natural follow-up to a Batum signing. Maybe for Noel? Then split the rest of the cap space between Satoransky and Plumlee, while re-signing Beal and Temple?

Gortat/Plumlee
Noel/Morris
Batum/Oubre
Beal/Temple
Wall/Sato

I'm actually liking the look of that. Not crazy about paying both Beal and Batum over $20M per, but it's the new NBA. As long as we don't give Beal a 5th year, I can guess I can live with it.

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Jonathan Feigen ‏@Jonathan_Feigen 4m4 minutes ago

Meeting not quite set, but Rockets working toward expected sit-down with Pelicans F Ryan Anderson over the weekend, source said.

uhoh

[Dat2U]

Now this one makes sense.

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Good news, Turner would be a great 6th man for us. He's got the offensive game that our 2nd unit desperately needs, and he can play multiple positions.

I wish I could share some of that enthusiasm, but Turner is nothing more than a mediocre player. He's a relatively low efficiency scorer and isn't even a threat from 3 point range. You almost have to have special qualities to be a good wing player without a 3 point show, and Turner just doesn't have any. I'd have no interest in acquiring him.

Exactly, he's a ball dominant slasher that's a bad fit with Wall. I'm all for acquiring a secondary ball-handler but it has to be a guy that can space the floor and play off the ball when necessary.

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Source tells @MarcJSpearsESPN that Nic Batum will meet with Hornets and Mavs in Dallas and will talk to Knicks, Lakers, Wizards on phone.

wiz at least got a phone call this time!

Maybe it's a full-fledged WebEx meeting.

[80sballboy]

I think Evan Turner is what he is, a fine backup. He might not be a good three-point shooter, but he shares the ball and he's versatile. He's also a facilitator like Batum, though obviously nowhere near as good.

[80sballboy]

Good news, Turner would be a great 6th man for us. He's got the offensive game that our 2nd unit desperately needs, and he can play multiple positions.

I wish I could share some of that enthusiasm, but Turner is nothing more than a mediocre player. He's a relatively low efficiency scorer and isn't even a threat from 3 point range. You almost have to have special qualities to be a good wing player without a 3 point show, and Turner just doesn't have any. I'd have no interest in acquiring him.

Exactly, he's a ball dominant slasher that's a bad fit with Wall. I'm all for acquiring a secondary ball-handler but it has to be a guy that can space the floor and play off the ball when necessary.

In this market, he's decent and what the hell is available after Batum that you can't find some serious weaknesses on. Courtney Lee? He's probably going to start somewhere. Maybe not a great fit for first unit but could be for second, though we have no clue who will be on that unit.

[verbal8]

Team executives who spoke to B/R predicted Howard might command $10-15 million in a starting salary—far short of the $23.3 million he just opted out of in Houston, and less than half the $31 million max salary he is said to be seeking. He might also have to settle for a short deal.

http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/would-you-pay-dwight-howard-31-million/

I mean if we can get Dwight for 15 a year AND on a deal with a team option we should absolutely be chasing that

I don't see Dwight settling for less that $20 million. Especially if Noah is signed over 15 million Dwight will look for 4 years, but might have to settle for 3.

[Dark Faze]

i just wanna know what excuse ernie will make when he misses on batum, anderson and horford

"We got out first target."

*unveils Darrell Arthur*

*ted raises ticket prices*

[gtn130]

So what's the plan when we strike out on the top three tiers of players?

[verbal8]

So what's the plan when we strike out on the top three tiers of players?

Let EG pay way to much for washed up below average players

[Wizman84]

Now this one makes sense.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BenMehicNBA/status/748603313730523136[/tweet]

Good news, Turner would be a great 6th man for us. He's got the offensive game that our 2nd unit desperately needs, and he can play multiple positions.

I wish I could share some of that enthusiasm, but Turner is nothing more than a mediocre player. He's a relatively low efficiency scorer and isn't even a threat from 3 point range. You almost have to have special qualities to be a good wing player without a 3 point show, and Turner just doesn't have any. I'd have no interest in acquiring him.

Turner is not a 3 point threat but he makes up for that with a solid mid range jumper and he drives the lane and finishes well. He's got a good handle and he's a good passer. I would definitely say he's better than mediocre. He looked like the prospect he was suppose to be coming out of college at times last year. He had plenty of 20+ point games last year in a reserve role and stepped up big when Crowder was injured.

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Wiz to max Jedi master Jeddie

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Given the situation I am coming around on the idea of Harrison Barnes. I think I'd rather get him than Batum.

It's about assets and perception right now, and Barnes is a 24 year old Olympian who can shoot and defend.

Wall
Beal
Oubre
Barnes
Porter
Morris
Gortat

That is a good and young 7 man foundation to build on...


I would also be interested in Grievous Vasquez to make it 8.

[nate33]

Given the situation I am coming around on the idea of Harrison Barnes. I think I'd rather get him than Batum.

It's about assets and perception right now, and Barnes is a 24 year old Olympian who can shoot and defend.

Wall
Beal
Oubre
Barnes
Porter
Morris
Gortat

That is a good and young 7 man foundation to build on...


I would also be interested in Grievous Vasquez to make it 8.

Barnes at $9M a year? Sure. Pretty good fit.

But Barnes at $20M? Hell no.

[JAR69]

Pretty likely that Brooks filling out his coaching staff is going to be our best free agent signings.

One cheap sleeper I like for the end end of the bench - Damjan Rudez, whose option was not picked up by T-Wolves. He had a solid season in Indy two years ago (40% from 3 on 170 attempts), then got buried in Minnesota. 30 year old 6' 10' Euro gunner, tries hard.

[JAR69]

I also would consider picking up McBob. It looks like Miami is trying to move him and will need to attach a draft pick. Yes, he's sucked the last two years, but after we strike out on the top three tiers of FAs, he seems like an Ernie scrap heap special.

[Ruzious]

wiz at least got a phone call this time!

At least Batum is a much better player than Evan Turner. Problem is - how does he fit - unless the Wiz aren't planning on keeping Beal? And we know the Wiz are planning on keeping Beal.

Can't Batum play the 2,3 and four?

In today's position-less NBA, I'm not sure you can have enough versatile wings.

I wouldn't play him at the 4. He's maybe 6'8 215 lbs and plays kinda soft.

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Terrence Jones was soooooooo bad last year. And I think he was overrated before that.

He's a career 31% 3 pt shooter on 1.3 attempts per game so he doesn't space the floor. And he's not regarded as a good defender. His on/off numbers are absolutely shocking.

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Stat                         ON CourtOFF Court   Net
Minutes                          1044    2920    26%
Offense: Pts per 100 Poss.      105.8   111.0   -5.2
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.      115.8   107.2   +8.6
Net Points per 100 Possessions  -10.0    +3.8  -13.8

His RPM ranks 461 out of 462 players in the league at a whopping -5.94. Worse than Andrea Bargnani.

Are we sure this is someone we'd want getting minutes for the Wizards?

His numbers are very strange. Since you mention 3 pt. %... 26.3% his first year, 30.7% his 2d year, 35.3 his 3d year -- then back down to 31% last year. A similar shape for his 2pt% and a couple of other things.

He only played 275 minutes as a rookie. Then, his 2d year, he played almost 2100 minutes and was outstanding (at only 21-2 years old as well). His 3d year started out very well, but he was injured. When he came back last year, he didn't play well, as you point out.

Your on/off numbers are from this most recent year. I'd be interested to know what they were in 2013-14. It seems like either his injury (which was what, does anyone know?) cost him something athletically, or else he's slow coming back from it. But, as I say, his 2d year & 3d before he got hurt it looked like he was developing into a stud.

[gambitx777]

Looks like the Wiz are interested in signing some 33 year old greek dude

http://www.sportando.com/en/cups/euroleague/204236/ioannis-bourousis-between-panathinaikos-and-the-nba.html

Hell, since Grunfailed is handing out contracts, maybe I should have my cousin...errr agent...reach out to the Wiz. I got a pretty good looking jumpshot.

The Spurs are also interested.

I can give you some info on Bourousis since i am Greek and have watched him play a lot.First of all he just had his best year this season and was voted best center in euroleague.He is good offensively,he can post,he can shoot(very good 3 point shooter),good rebounder and is an excellent passer.He is a mediocre defender with PnR D being his biggest weakness.He could be had for around 5 mil i guess(thats close to what he will get in europe).If you are looking for a backup C to boost your bench's scoring he is a pretty good option.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2jR0WXLA48[/youtube]

Hope this helped.

#1 I like him yes he is old, but antic had a few good years in the leage at an older age. sign him to a 3 years deal and let him back up gortat he is a solid back up center option.

#2 turner, his value depends on how much you pay him 7-10 mill a year, he is worth it as a bench player who can help score on and defend second units, but if you pay him north of 11 + he is not really worth the money at that point.

Banes is in the same boat, I would say 8-11 is worth it for him because he is still really young, but once you start getting into the 13-17+ ranger barns is no longer worth the money.

#3If we sign jack we must then sign a younger guard to back him up like norris cole or david stockton or seth curry.

[payitforward]

Now this one makes sense.

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Good news, Turner would be a great 6th man for us. He's got the offensive game that our 2nd unit desperately needs, and he can play multiple positions.

I wish I could share some of that enthusiasm, but Turner is nothing more than a mediocre player. He's a relatively low efficiency scorer and isn't even a threat from 3 point range. You almost have to have special qualities to be a good wing player without a 3 point show, and Turner just doesn't have any. I'd have no interest in acquiring him.

I'm with wizman on this one, ruz. Turner has been a disappointment overall -- obviously! -- given he was the #2 pick in the 2010 draft, but he has played quite well with the Celtics.

If you compare his numbers to Batum, all the non-shooting stuff is virtually identical. No edge for either guy. If you look at shooting, Batum produces better. Per 48 minutes, Batum takes 1.2 more shots and gets 2.4 more points out of them.

Now, Wizman is specifically wrong in praising Turner's offensive game. But, still, it's not terrible -- except for his 3pt. %. Given he doesn't shoot many of them, that's not as big a problem as it might be if he did, though of course it'd be even better if he shot lots more... and they went in!

But, he is a very solid player overall and well above average productivity-wise. TBH, he's not much under Batum overall. Putting it another way, he's underrated, and Batum is a little overrated. But Batum is going to get a *much* bigger payday than Turner.

If the price is right, Evan Turner would be a very good pick up for the Wizards.